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h&s
28th July 2004, 09:42
OK, when I first heard this I thought it was a good thing, as no-one wants our peelers to be racist thugs (remember that documentary with the cop with a KKK hood on?), but then I realised that this could be bad for us too.
They might extend the ban to parties that are against democracy too, and as most people don't actually understand leftism, they might include us in that too.
Please tell me your opinions.

ACPO bans police from joining BNP(BBC)

Police officers and staff could face dismissal if they join the British National Party (BNP) under a new policy agreed by senior officers.
The Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) said the policy was unanimously endorsed at a Chief Constables' Council meeting this month.

The policy applied to membership of bodies in conflict with the force's duty to promote race equality, it said.

But the BNP says it is a legal party, and that Acpo's policy is undemocratic.

In a statement announcing the policy Acpo president Chris Fox said chief police officers were totally committed to compliance with the Race Relations Amendment Act 2000.

He said he was "extremely pleased" to be able to take that compliance further.

Mr Fox said: "Under this policy, no member of the police service, whether police officer or police staff, may be a member of an organisation whose constitution, aims, objectives or pronouncements contradict the general duty to promote race equality.

"This specifically includes the British National Party.


'Anomaly'

"We anticipate that non-compliance will result in dismissal," he added.

But BNP national press officer Phil Edwards said "plenty" of serving police officers were already members of the party.

The BNP, he said, was strongly in favour of law and order and supported "the plight of the ordinary police officer within the liberal society".

"There's an anomaly if we support all that and they don't want the coppers to be members. It's a sham.


"We live supposedly in a democracy and they're telling people that they can't be a member of this legal political party - this shows the hidden hand of anti-democratic forces," Dr Edwards said.

Acpo head of race and diversity and Leicester Chief Constable Matt Baggott dismissed the BNP's claim as "immaterial".

He said the police had an overriding legal duty to promote race equality and retain public confidence.

Nationwide, police would be banned from being a BNP member and any existing officers reported as members would be investigated, he said.

"It is going to be immensely reassuring for the public in a very mixed community like Leicester, and for the vast majority of colleagues, that we mean business," he said.

Subversive Pessimist
28th July 2004, 10:06
Personally, I don't have much in mind if it would happen to us too. It would bring media attention. If we start to protest, it could really create tensions. And what leftist wants to be a cop, anyways?
Also, it would show us that the free world, is not so free, at all.

I have a question. Are the BNP Nazi skinsheads, or are they just normal fascists?

What we communists need to be aware off, is that we are famous, and we got to take advantage of that. Everyone have heard about communism, but most of them don't know what it is. I think we need to focus on the younger people, that don't hold that much prejudice. Grown ups are often a little more.... dogmatic.

We should use the fact that we are both respected (in the way that we are to a certain extent feared), and that we are famous, and turn it to something positive. We have a much better chance to be heard, then an anarchist, nihilist, or for instance, a technocrat.

monkeydust
28th July 2004, 17:20
To be perfectly honest, I don't think that any real Leftist with a conscience would join the police force in the first place.

Any extreme Leftist in the Police force deserves to be kicked out, being an enforcer of the law (law which they believe is shaped primarily by the ruling class) goes completely against their principles.

T_SP
28th July 2004, 18:16
I can hear the BNP chant now, " That's not democratic" Whingeing bastards, they support democracy when it suits them and that just pisses me off!! I'm glad the police ain't allowed to be part of the BNP the party needs dis-banding.

apathy maybe
29th July 2004, 05:54
Take a hypothetical state, pretend that it is a "centrist" "liberal democracy". Imagine that they outlaw Fascism. Imagine that a lot of people think hey, Communism is just a big a threat (also imagine that when they say Communism, they aren't thinking of the USSR). The state then outlaws Communism.

If you are in a "centrist" state, it makes just as much sense to outlaw the extreme left, as it is to outlaw the extreme right.

Which is why we must fight for all voices to be heard, because otherwise they have a precedent to outlaw our voice.

h&s
29th July 2004, 09:08
Which is why we must fight for all voices to be heard, because otherwise they have a precedent to outlaw our voice.
Yeah, thats what I thought, but should BNP guys really be allowed in the police?
I can hardly imagine them using restraint when arresting asylum seekers.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think that any real Leftist with a conscience would join the police force in the first place.
Yes, but what if these sort of rules take hold in normal employment?
You can imagine employers sacking people for being in the BNP now that the police can, but what if they start doing the same to us?

CubanFox
29th July 2004, 10:17
I may cop some flak for what I'm about to say, but, nonetheless...

I would support any initiative to ban policemen from being in extreme political organisations, left or right. This stems from my belief that the police should not be politicised. They should be neutral, just as Justice should be blind.

Hmm. I think I just allowed my inner liberal to step up on the proverbial soapbox. :P

But on this BNP issue, a great step forward. Root out fascism wherever it may hide, comrades!

Socialsmo o Muerte
29th July 2004, 18:03
I'm not sure if anyone knew this but police aren't able to be members of any political parties.

A friend of mine is currently undergoing a course in police science and then will be joining the force and he told me that nobody who works for the police is allowed to be a member of any political party.

BuyOurEverything
29th July 2004, 20:11
This ban had to do with the BNP's racist policies, not the rest of their politics. This was specifically an attempt to thwart racism, not facism or any political ideology. Because of this, I wouldn't be worried about left wing parties being ejected from the police force (for all that matters.)