What wil bring the Downfall of the USA?

[colombiano]

History has taught us that nothing lasts forever . All of the great empires from Chin and Han to Rome , Napolean, Goths and Gauls, Genghis Khan, to the Czars of Russia, etc. You get the picture. What will be the ultimate down fall of The United States and what events leading to it will bring it on? What is to come before , during and after , in your opinion? How many years before this may take place. I know that there are many factors now that did not exist long ago during other empires ex, nukes and the rapid advancement of technology. How will history play itself out.........................hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :huh:

[Mr. White]

The world will, in the end, realise that the US uses both political and fisical violence against those who cannot fight back. Soon ther will probobly be a new war on the US, mabye the koreans or some terrorist organization will instigate that. The US will start a new war, a global war and in the outcoming, they will loose. Nations accross the world have seen the way the US behaves in war and are probably not going to have any desire to aid them.

Even thoe the wars and attacks are going to take it's toll on the US, there is a another issue that many still not see, another revolution, a revolution that will not take place in the battlefields but in our minds, people accross the globe will see, evendually, that they cannot support war by stuffing their faces with hamburgers and swallow it down with nice sip of capitalism, the people will see the illness that the US has spreat around the world, and they will stop (boycott if you will) using those "brands of capitalism".

Our revolution is a mind one.

[Leninist thug]

This is a very good question. I believe that the internal economic contradictions coupled with reactionary ideological rigidity, imperial overstretch and an inability to reform will ruin the USA.

[colombiano]

Is this something that could happen from within? I agree that many domestic economic factors will play into this.

[Leninist thug]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 12:49 AM
Is this something that could happen from within? I agree that many domestic economic factors will play into this.
Domestic policies and foreign relations are often interconnected. But I believe that ---you're right --- foreign policy will fuck the USA really bad. "Domestic policy can only lose elections, foreign policy can kill us all" --- that is what that fucker John F. Kennedy said after the Cuban missile crisis. He's right about that.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by Leninist [email protected] 27 2004, 01:04 AM
Domestic policies and foreign relations are often interconnected. But I believe that ---you're right --- foreign policy will fuck the USA really bad. "Domestic policy can only lose elections, foreign policy can kill us all" --- that is what that fucker John F. Kennedy said after the Cuban missile crisis. He's right about that.

I believe that foreign developments in Europe will effect the Proletariat here
to such a extent that they would look for a way out of wage-slavery and
the Capitalist System. Also that the Proletariat in the Unted States would
become class conscious of the Conditions around them, would become open
to the idea of Real Communism and that is what is going to bring forth the
downfall of the USA. Because a class conscious Proletariat would fight to
free themselves from wage-slavery and this would ultimately intensify
the Class war.

That's the way i see things for America now.

[Never Forget, Never Surrender]

If the American worker every called himself the "proletariat", I would shit myself. None of that Marxist dogma that the local kids like to throw around is going to have anything to do with our downfall.

If we have a crash, it'll develop slowly from internal issues. The main issue I see on the horizon is pretty basic: jobs. We don't have good ones anymore, the ones we still have are being shipped out (it's GOOD for the economy in the "long run" doncha know) and the unions are gasping for breath.

Once Americans see that the middle class is dissapearing (which it is, has been for decades) and not just shrinking, they'll go friggin' ballistic.

If this happens, we're toast militarily. The threats that are emerging globally are potentially a lot more dangerous than the Soviets were. In fact, the Russians can still outshow us in the gun dept. when they want to.

Anyway, the "USA" isn't going anywhere anytime soon. The way Americans think, act, and interact with the rest of the world is what will change. You're right though; this Imperial Republic won't last forever. The American people though, just might.

[colombiano]

Perhaps the best things to ever come from the U.S will cause it's demise. :blink: Spam :blink: and the Cola wars .............

[Guerrilla22]

What will cause the downfall of the US? Capitalism and its never ending pursuit to maximize profits, at the expense of exploiting those in unfortunate situations. Hence; job outsourcing to third world nations and the replacement of the working class by technology will ultimately cause a great econmic down turn in the US.

[fuerzasocialista]

The U$ is contributing to its own downfall. There might be groups like the terrorists and the strengthening of the European Union that might speed it along but ultimately its the U$ itself that will collapse from within. An implosion if you will.

[Guerrilla22]

The EU will do nothing to bring about the downfall of the US, as pretty much all of the EU members are heavily reliant on the US as a trading partner, the fact that the EU keeps expanding to add eastern and central European countries doesn't really help to make the Euro a stable currency.

[fuerzasocialista]

Right now the Euro is a stronger currency than the dollar. Being that so many countries are using that currency, the U$ is trying to dolarize the economies of Latin American nations. It has already succeeded in El Salvador and Ecuador. Panama has been using U$ currency since the construction of the Canal I believe. In my country there has been talk about possibly dolarizing the economy as well but our President-Elect is against it. I guess you can call it monetary imperialsm

[Guerrilla22]

Yes right now, it is stronger, but that won't last. The Euro fluctuates in value too much and the addition of more and more countries with lower GDPs will only help to lower it in the long run.