Are Nazism and Fascism lefty movements?

[I LOVE HO CHI MINH]

I was reading the newspapers and found an article of Le Pen saying this. He told that this two ideologies were product of the French Revolution and were Socialist before anything. Mussolini was a Socialist he told. He also said that it couldn’t be said that Nazism and Fascism are of extreme rightists. I don’t agree with Le Pen. What are the views of the community about it???

[Sasafrás]

Nazism is supposed to be "National Socialism," but I have never understood that at all..

[RedCeltic]

"National Socialism," is an election ploy to gain support of the Germans who would vote for anything with "Socialist" in the name.

Mussolini abandoned his socialist beliefs for fascism.

The opening line of Germany's national anthem under the Nazis was "Germany, Germany, over everything" which is a far cry from Marx's "workers of the world unite"

[PunkRawker677]

before the nazis came into power, the leading party knew it was either the fascist goverment, or the communist. Considering the high ranked politicians had alot at stake, they chose to appoint facsim to the country (by making hitler chancellor), therefore killing hope for communism - as they saw it, it was the lesser of two evils..

Fascism IS NOT leftist.. not ever near.. its on the right

[I LOVE HO CHI MINH]

I thing the same Fascism IS NOT leftist.. not ever near.. its on the right
Why did Le Pen said what he said?

[Kez]

Because he wants to confuse socialist sympathisers into believing he stands for socialism

[guerrillaradio]

Mussolini quit the Socialist Party before he started the Fascists.

And the point we all have to remember here is that the political views are a spectrum, therefore extreme left is very near extreme right. (To me, the important question concerning one's polictical beliefs is not whether one is to the left or to the right, but whether one is moderate or extreme.) In that sense, Nazism and Fascism are almost as to the left as they are to the right. But, saying that, there are no elements of Socialism in Fascist policies...

[I Will Deny You]

Maybe someone should tell Le Pen how many communists Hitler killed. And fascism is to capitalism what communism is to socialism.

[Ho]

Both Facist and Nazi movements had a socialist base. Mussolini was in the socialist party, but WWI deception made him abandon the socialist party and creating a new one the Facists, which were Nationalists but not socialists.
Hitler himself believed that the Nazis was a socialist party... but Hitler was a madman so...

[red senator]

Just something I want to know: Did the nazi's or Facists have socialized medicine?

[Rob]

Fascism is a movement based upon nationalism, extreme use of authority, and strong military. Mussolini was a dissilusioned socialist who left the party after giving his support to Italy's involvement in WWI. He drifted more and more rightward as time went on. Then communist partisans executed him. The nazis were also nationalist, and authoritarian, and believed in a strong military. They also got into "race science" (more myth than science) which got them saying that there were implied moral and intellectual abilities for each race. We know where this led. But I guess that by saying the Jews were born with no concept of morals, they could blame oppression of their precious aryan race (who were apparently naturally just and proletarian) on Jews. Then, left fascism and red-brown alliances come about and the dissilusioned left and extreme right got totally blended. Left fascists (third positionists, national bolshevists, national revolutionists, etc.) claim, among other things, that the holocaust was a story made up to make nazism seem worse than "democratic" capitalism.

[queen of diamonds]

i think Le Pen said that 'cause now the election's a choice between the right & the far right - the leftist vote has nowhere to go
he's basically trying to win over the left-wingers, 'cause right now they've got no loyalities to either candidate & they're "easy pickings"

[red senator]

One of the basic ideals of nazism was that competition would make everything better (kind of a survival of the fittest type shit), however, Communism and Socialism are based on equality not comeptition. They both want to create a perfect society, they just want to use completley different means.