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Kez
25th April 2002, 17:46
In the backdrop of a raging war in 1943, a workers' republic was proclaimed for the first time in the history of this part of the Balkans. It was to succeed and fundamentally change the defunct monarchy of Yugoslavia that had existed there before the war. Indeed, a workers' and peasants' army, the only force during the second world war that had transcended nationality in this hilly Balkan nation, carried through both a national liberation struggle and a socialist revolution. This was significant in itself. After the end of the war, furthermore, this great revolutionary wave inspired deep and profound changes to the fabric of this resurrected nation. This was the beginning of my Yugoslavia.

Initially following the dictates of Moscow, a Stalinist form of socialism began to be introduced. Various national interests, however, and ideological disputes, caused the famous split of Yugoslavia with the Eastern Bloc. Yugoslavia, in isolation, began carefully to tread its own, meandering path. This independent path was only possible because the Yugoslav revolution had been the sole one in Eastern Europe not to have been based on the might of the Red Army; its popular strength was that which made its resistance to Stalin at all possible. This fact in itself had an immense significance for the international working class. If the character of a revolution was a popular one, then its path to socialism need not be the same as that one which the Stalinist bureaucracy had forced on its own workers and those of Eastern Europe. It was this which was one of the most important lessons of the Yugoslav revolution.

After the historic split of 1948, attempts were made to manufacture a socialism, that is, an economic and political system, different to the Stalinist type; a balance between East and West became the favoured choice by Tito and his colleagues for dealing with the country's insecure position between two mighty blocks; and the balancing of the national aspirations of its constituent peoples became the main way in which the bureaucracy decided to maintain national cohesion in the country.

The results of this policy were wide and varied. Our parents' and grandparents' generation grew up and worked in an undoubtedly different country from any other one seen before it in the history of the Balkans. For many decades, well into the 1970s, Yugoslavia's economy rose at unprecedented high rates, under "workers' self-management". An indicator of this is the fact that GNP per capita doubled between 1960 and 1975. Not only this seemed to be a spectacular break from the past; Yugoslavia seemed to be catching up to the Western states while offering universal healthcare, access to education, and full employment.

The generations of the day would also have enjoyed other comforts and experiences. They could go to a beautiful seaside, that of the Adriatic; they could travel a culturally and geographically diverse nation; they could enjoy a variety of cuisines from the sea to the mountain foods; for a long time, they could travel to many foreign lands without visas; they could boast a freer society than the Eastern Bloc and a society much fairer than that of the Western states. Children, like us, and like we used to do, could play in the streets and travel without fear of the unexpected. They could hope, aspire, dream of a brighter future and a different world. They could play and work, regardless of nationality, character and talents; they lived in a society that would try to accommodate them, rather than vice-versa. Yugoslavia served often as a practical help to and a beacon of hope for, not just the nations and nationalities of Yugoslavia, but all those in the world who believed in a more humane and free society (as, for example, the working peoples of the non-aligned movement).

Despite all these achievements, benefits and joys, "socialist" Yugoslavia had had deep-rooted problems from its very birth in 1943. The vanguard of its revolution had had their origins in Stalin's purges of earlier years. For this reason, and for the objective temptations of unlimited power, Yugoslav socialism remained but an offshoot, however bright in many ways, of Stalinism. Self-management and democracy in Yugoslavia were never allowed in their entirety; the State remained always the supreme authority. The might and growth of the bureaucracy that ruled the nation often made grave tactical errors that could have been avoided, in all probability, had workers and professionals collaborated in decision-making. An example could perhaps be the two billion dollar Smederovo steel works in Serbia, a factory that was never as efficient as was desired (it never returned a profit). Obviously, the interests of the bureaucracy would always prevail over those of the workers.

Balancing between the Western and Eastern blocs could only get the country so far; it could never be more powerful than either side. So, instead of a politics of more extreme internationalism, based on more active agitation for worldwide workers' unity, Yugoslavia skilfully walked a tightrope, which inevitably had to snap. In addition to all this, to unify a workers' state by balancing national interests and desires could only end in failure, especially if this were done by a degenerated and alienated bureaucracy. The assumption that eight local bureaucracies would be better than a central one, when none are democratised, was naive. The assumption that the bureaucracies would not use regional economic differences to their own advantage, however, was even more so. It was, in fact, ludicrous.

With Tito's death, and the economic reforms primarily caused by bad investments by a corrupt and disconnected central government, and other similarly-rooted policies, Yugoslavia's many bureaucracies and regions began to see their interests elsewhere. A crossroads in history was being approached. Which path would the people take?

The rock band Bijelo Dugme put the choice well: "Spit and sing, my Yugoslavia…Who does not listen to your song shall listen to the storm…" ("Pljuni i zapjevaj moja Jugoslavijo…Ko ne slusa pjesmu slusat ce oluju"). Either the people would choose everything Yugoslavia, even unjustifiably, had stood for: socialism, internationalism and freedom. Or, they would choose capitalist restoration, their local bureaucracy and the security it presented in nationalism, and war. As history had shown perhaps best during the second world war, these were the only two choices. Sadly, the people were pushed into the second choice. The interests of the international financial elites coincided with those of the local bureaucracies. The former had their interests in the destruction of a cosmopolitan, relatively strong, and (however degenerated) "socialist" state, in a very important geo-strategic pathway. The latter had the power to achieve this aim, and only had this option to choose in order to stay in power. The people were cowed. And the storm broke.

What happened from 1987 to 2002 need not be repeated. Brother turned on brother, worker on worker, man on man. The successes, the joys, the hopes of a generation were destroyed and were inexistent after the storm. Destruction and demise returned. The bureaucracy, and the interests and presence of the bloodthirsty international financial elite remained, albeit in different form. Yugoslavia had died two deaths. The first, real one occurred when the working people of Yugoslavia, pushed into the choice by their local nationalist apparatchiks and the imperialists, decided to break with their creation in the beginning of the 1990s. The second occurred when the international capitalists dictated, in 2002, to the local bureaucrats, that they no longer tolerated the name…Yugoslavia. That name, that nation that had once offered such benefits, hopes and joys to peoples across the globe, that had achieved such successes despite its parasitic bureaucracy, that had been my and my generation's birthplace…that name, that nation, that was so mercilessly and callously destroyed by the owners of international capital, local bureaucrats and nationalist warlords, that has become such a dirty name and notion through the world media, that had been so riveted with petty internal arguments and problems…that was my Yugoslavia.

That Yugoslavia is today dead. And yet, it is still alive, in the hearts and minds of the working youth, in the hearts and minds of those who believe in the ideals Yugoslavia had stood for, though had not realised in reality, but had realised enough to be a small, but for us big, step towards those ideals…Tomorrow, Yugoslavia, may your children again not fear to travel, play and sing in the streets, may your workers have their factories, may your peoples sing the Internationale and help create a Balkan and World Socialist Federation! May the nations and nationalities be truly equal, society truly democratic, the population truly prosperous! May the blue Adriatic and highest Triglav be the destinations of your peoples on holiday, may they and your successes be your peoples' pride before other peoples! May the bureaucrats not betray you, the international capitalists not destroy you! May you be the Yugoslavia and world of my children's generation!

April 2002

Brought to you by
comrade kamo

RedRevolutionary87
25th April 2002, 21:23
well said tovarisch, remember the peoples army also had to fight away the germans. it was a trained army versus a peoples army, and it was the people who were victorios

smert fasismu! sloboda narodu!

(Edited by RedRevolutionary87 at 3:25 pm on April 25, 2002)

Derar
26th April 2002, 01:56
my tears almost fall from my eye whenever i remember my old yugoslavia ....

Death to all the facsists , death to capitalism .

RedRevolutionary87
26th April 2002, 02:18
man yugoslavia was a country and a half, with the mountains, and the sheep, and more mountains and sheep:) but ya i loved that country and its people, now im a little disapointed in their blindess

kingbee
26th April 2002, 20:55
tito was a good guy. stood up against soviet imperialism, united a divided country, and lay the foundations of a more dynamic socialist society. good on 'im

elizquierdista
27th April 2002, 00:36
While I loved the good ol' USSR, I didn't like their foreign diplomacy, especially in satellite nations (fuckin Stalin). Tito was the greatest thing to happen to the Yugoslav people, Milosevic and these new leaders are a disgrace. Long live Tito!

elizquierdista
27th April 2002, 19:17
I apologize for bringing this feeling of anger and hate. Clearly this was meant to be an article of hope and of remembrance to the old great Yugoslav state.

RedRevolutionary87
27th April 2002, 19:38
no problem comrade, the yugoslav people were always an angry people, its part of our herritage;).

CautheN
27th April 2002, 20:33
Long live Tito...

Ho
27th April 2002, 21:31
Tito was in my belief one of the best communist leaders with Ho Chi Minh he was able to keep a communist nation working without being ruled by Stalin.

Bakunjin
28th April 2002, 00:04
HEJ SLAVENI
JOSTE ZIVI DUH NASIH DJEDOVA!
I would like to ask question here... How much of you is from former Yugoslavia?... Comrade Kamo... Good that you mentioned SPIT AND SING MY YUGOSLAVIA!
If Yugoslavia wasn't the greatest and the strongest... It was definitely the best!

"We spilt a sea of blood for fraternity and unity and we will not let anyone take us that fraternity and unity!"
JOSIP BROZ TITO 7th May 1892 - 4th May 1980

elizquierdista
28th April 2002, 00:12
While I'm not a Yugoslav (I'm Argentine), I do believe that Tito was one of the greatest leaders of the 20th century.

RedRevolutionary87
28th April 2002, 00:38
ej druze djesi, nisam cuo od teba odavno, kako si?.

tito had his flaws, but so does everyone, he was a great leader for a great country.

Derar
28th April 2002, 19:52
Neka ljubise , nekaaa liubiseee ....... Istok i zapad , Istok i zapad.....

haha , when i was a kid this was one of my fave songs of all time .... by Plavi Orkestar ....
i although this song is about yugoslavia .

Ex-Yugoslavia ..... One the greatest countries on earth .

And Tito .... One of the greatest leader's in history .

Zivio Druze Tito ...

VolareMIRCantare
30th April 2002, 02:28
Zdravo!!

Your writing is the bes post I've seen on this site. I did't live in the time of Tito, I'm too young, but I always listen to my Baka and Tata speak of the great times. I havn't been back to Bosnia for 9 year, my parents tried to shield me from it, and I'm going back this summer and I can't wait to swim in the Adriatic and eat some great food. It's great to see somone telling others of the greatness of Yugoslavia because no one in the western world knows anything about it.

I wish the people there would stop hating each other, I don't hate anyone, we're all pretty much the same.

DA DUGO ZIVI TITO!!!!!!!

Derar
2nd May 2002, 10:23
Ohh yeah , im going there in the summer to enjoy the kick ass weather , nature .... as well as the ( pita , krumpirusa , and the amazing bosanske cevape ) .

RedRevolutionary87
2nd May 2002, 22:18
i loooove chevape they are great, and burek too, yugo food is the greatest shit ever, and rakia(sljivovica)

anarhosocijalist
3rd May 2002, 14:17
I lived in old Yugoslavia for some time, and I can tell you it wasn a paradise like you describe it.
And by the way why would we have to live in one state with one center of economic and political power. Economy of my country( Croatia) was wastly exploited and by central governmet. It is better for all to live in small comunes, where government isnt 100 or more miles away(Bakunins theory), and to have a good relations with others.
Dont think I am nationalist, but it is better like this for us all.
Long live revolution

anarhosocijalist
3rd May 2002, 14:20
Sorry for typing errors

Bakunjin
3rd May 2002, 17:59
Druze Anarhosocijalist
It isn't better for all that it is like this...Croatia (my country, too) has become european slave... The government has now cut workers rights (although it is "socialdemocratic") because European Union said it to them... Half milion people are unemployed, economy is devastated... It is all that capitalism brought to Croatia..
Now, it is not the Belgrade that is exploiting Croatia, it is Bruxelles...
What outcame frome dividing Yugoslavia? Brutal nationalism, war, autoritarism, we returned 50 years in time...

Bakunjin
3rd May 2002, 18:08
IMPORTANT!!!!!
TOMORROW...THE SAD ANNIVERSARY
4. May 1980 - 4. May 2002...
22 years of the death of the greatest world leader:
JOSIP BROZ TITO
To describe the day... It was football match in Split: Hajduk - Crvena Zvezda... And the comentator on stadium said that Tito died... All the players stopped playing and the whole stadium was crying... Everyone was asking: "What will happen now?"...
On his funeral there was leaders from 147 countries (even Reagans mother and wife)... Some african leaders cried, Arafat saluted him...

anarhosocijalist
3rd May 2002, 21:22
Drugu Bakunjinu i svima ostalima:

Gledeaj, ne mislim da je sadašnje stanje raj na zemlji, ono to svakako nije. U nekim aspektima društvenog života ono je puno gorije nego za vremena Jugoslavije pod Titovim vodstvom. Porasle su nacionalističke i šovinističke tenzije među našim narodinma, svi smo evidentno izrabljivani od stranih kapitalističkih sila koje su nam nametnule svoj način upravljanja gospodarstvom, te koje nam kao uzor nameču svoju kulturu i svoje vrijednosti koje su u mnogo čemu strane ljudima na ovim prostorima. Ukratko cijelokupno društvo bivše Titove Jugoslavije ušlo je u jednu duboku moralnu krizu. To sve prije nije bilo toliko rašireno, i to je vjerovatno jedino dobro što je bilo u Jugoslaviji.

Činjenica je i to da je Jugoslavija imala jedan centar gospodarske i političke moči iz kojeg se upravljalo cijelim gospodarskim sustavom i u kojem su se donoslie najvažnije političke odluke.Taj centar često je zanemarivao prava i potrebe drugih republika. Jugoslavia je imala ogromnu birokratsku i partijsku aparaturu koja se otuđila i izdigla iznad radničke klase.
(To bi se vjerovatno dalo riješiti nečim poput Maove kulturne revolucije, ali Tito nije imao ni dovoljno mudrosti niti volje za takvo što.) Predsjednik Tito je uvelike bio sklon autokraciji, veličanju vlastitog lika i djela, te komformizmu. Nema smisla uspoređivati ga sa nekim istinskim revolucinarom poput Chea.

Stoga mislim da nema smiisla okretati se prošlosti u potrazi riješenja za budučnost. Ja sada živim u gradu gdje je koncentrirana većina političke moći koja koja upravlja društvom u kojem ja živim. Tako mi je lakše utjecati na sve odluke koje oni donose, lakše se je buniti, lakše je potaknuti revoluciju. Kao što rekoh koliko mi je poznato upravo je Bakunjin inzistirao na razbijanju velikih državnih zajednica i država uopće, te na uspostavljanju samostalnih komuna koje bi međusobno surađivale na ravnopravnoj razini. Ja se u potpunosti slažem s njim. Zalažem se i borim za takovu Hrvatsku. Za Hrvatsku u kojoj više ne bi blo: vladajuče partije, goleme birokracije, tajne službe širokog opsega koja nadzire cjelokupno društvo, centra političke moći, normativnih ograničenja, nametanja stranih kulturnh vrijednosti, neograničenog vođe( Tito i Tuđman), eksploatacije radnika. Ukratko želim društvo apsolutno slobodnih pojedinaca.

To želim i vama u Srbiji, ljudima u BIH, Makedoniji i cijlomu svijetu.

Živjela Revolucija!!!!!!!
Patria o muerte!!!

anarhosocijalist
3rd May 2002, 21:34
Peopled from ex Yugoslavia now must find a new way to future, not to look back.
Yogoslavia and Tito could not and should not come back.
Long live anarcho socialistic Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia,etc !!!!
Long live revolution!!!!
Patria o muerte!!!!!

Reuben
3rd May 2002, 21:54
to what extent was their unity amongst the different ethnic groups uynder tito. Did croats feel like they had a place there and were the7y proud to be yugoslavians or were they not?

RedRevolutionary87
4th May 2002, 05:13
sure they were, tito was a croat, but ya unity was very good, not perfect, but alot better than any other time in history

anarhosocijalist
4th May 2002, 07:24
Well, I lived very little in old Yugoslavia. It collapsed when I was about 8 or 9 years old (there wasnt a "moment" when it collapsed.) ButI know what I have heard for my parents and grandparents. Under Tito rule mainly all peoples were united under one strong leader with great charisma. There were not any outbreakes of interethnic violence, and people senced some degree of unity. In some parts of the county greater, and in some smaller. People still rembered crimes that happened in 2nd world war. Like Jasenovac death camp(Killed about 80 000- 100 000 mainly Serbs, Jews, Gipsy and Croat communist and peasant party members) , and Chetnik(Serb nazi like organization) authrocities against Croats in Dalmatia and Lika. There were also great crimes commited against disarmed regular Croat home defence army at the end of the war. Under Tito s rule all this was suppresed in the mindes of the people, but was not forgotten. All turned for better life and prosperity. And that was the best part of Yugoslava. After Tito s death again nationalism began to rise. And now we have 200 000 kiled in Bosnia, 30 000 killed in Croatia, some more thousads in Kosovo. For such many deats are responsable mainly Serbes nationalists(like Miloshevic) cause they had largest control over people s army.
And of course my natinalist against my ethnic group are responsabile for driving Serbs out of Kraina.
Now, it would be the best to hand out responsabile individuals to war crime s tribunal in Hague, and wait some time so that peoples can figure out what they have done. (All these nationalistc figures were at power with the support of the people)

It would be stupid to force us in a new Yugoslavia. So we must all take a different paths. I am sure we will coperate in future like good neighbours.

Long live the revolution!!!!!!!!!
Patria o muerte!!!!!!!

Bakunjin
4th May 2002, 10:10
Drugu Anarhosocijalistu...
Sve je to lijepo sto si ti reko, pa i ja se slazem sa Bakunjinovom idejom o malim drzavicama... No, kao sto je jasno - to je utopija... Kao i onaj pravi komunizam i sve ostalo...
Sta bi Titi trebalo zahvalit: Drzao je mir medju sest najdivljih naroda na ovom dijelu kugle zemaljske...Da, donio je mir... Sta se tice Jugoslavije i nekih sredista moci... Hrvati su sami inicirali stvaranje Jugoslavije i posebno je glupo sto je predstavnik vecine Hrvatskog naroda, Stjepan Radic i HSS, apsitinirao kad je trebalo donositi vazne odluke za zivot u Jugoslaviji (znamo da je apstinirao iz Narodne skupstine kad se donosio Vidovdanski Ustav).
I ne samo to... On JE bio revolucionar... Jedan od najvecih u 2. svjetskom ratu... Titovi partizani bili su najbolji gerilci u cijeloj Evropi...

Reuben
4th May 2002, 14:47
thanks alot for answering my quewstion. If only the eastern and western coutnries had supported what sounds like a wonderful example of a how nation state does not have to be ethnically specific and how minorities can flourish even if it was only for a short time.

from what I know the USSR was very bad for national and ethnic minorities

ArgueEverything
4th May 2002, 15:28
under the stalinists, yeah, the USSR was very imperialistic and adopted policies of russification in the non-russian 'autonomous' areas. however, lenin and trotsky did several things to help minorities. if i recall correctly, the first law passed by the soviets was to make anti-semitism punishable by death.


i'm thinking tito was a good leader, but niceties aside, what did he do wrong? as leftists, we need to work out exactly what the ex-yugoslavia did or failed to do which led to its eventual break-up.

perhaps the fault lies, ironically, in tito's own immense popularity. it seems that he alone was a personification of yugoslav aspirations, and the perception of unity. after he died, all this fell apart. therein lies the problem with personality cults. if the yugoslavs had united around socialism in general, or even the party, then yugoslavia would have survived tito's death.

anarhosocijalist
5th May 2002, 18:24
Drugu Bakunjinu:
Nemoj misliti da sam ja protiv Jugoslavizma. To je zapravo jedna vrlo progresivna ideja. Zašto bi narodi sa vrlo sličnom kulturom i jezikom bili razdvojeni granicama? Međutim ta ideja nije podrazumjevala unitarnu i strogo centraliziranu zajednicu. Uostalom gledanje tako daleko u prošlost koja je mislim izgubila vezu sa stanjem u Titovoj Jugoslaviji i odnosima u njoj nema smisla. Taj ustav je ionako bio izbačen sa snage kraljvom samovoljom. Sada baš koji je razlog zašto Radić nije sudjelovao u njegovom donošenju neznam. Mislim da ima neke veze sa izbornim manipulacijama i sa štošta drugim. Uostalom znamo kakvo je to vrijeme bilo, i kako je Radić na kraju završio. (Nisu ga valjda ubili jer je bio neaktivan, iako se i pasivnošću može puno toga postići) U toj državi nije bilo dobro Srbima , a još manje ostalima. Rušenje takve države je jedan plus koji ide na Titovu stranu.

Uredu partizani pod Titovim su bili neustrašivi, i pružili su velik doprinos ka porazu nacizma, i Tito je imao dobru vanjsku politiku. Ali ipak je morao više poraditi na zdravijem unutarnjem uređenju. Da je to učinjeno sigurno ne bi došlo do rata i svega ovoga.

Živjela revolucija!!!!
Patria o muerte!!!!

anarhosocijalist
5th May 2002, 18:28
To Reuben:
Croats and other non-Serbs were not minorities in Yugoslavia aldo it seemd so. Yu was a federation of 6 socialist republics, but with strong central government.

Reuben
5th May 2002, 21:31
ah, didnt realize. thanks

anarhosocijalist
8th May 2002, 17:59
Isnt this subject interesting anymore?