Aaah! Advice!!

[All My Stitches Itch]

Next to my house is an area of grassland/field land and there are plans to build houses all over it! :o

the residents nearby are being given the choice of 3 different plans. . . but they are all practically the same and all involve building over the field. :angry:

i want to protest, but i have no clue where to start. support isnt really the issue, its more general procedures.

if youve done the same kind of thing, could you tell me what you did or give me some advice please!?

:blink:

thanx

[Subversive Pessimist]

Stand on the grassland/field and refuse to move. Take a book with you and relax.

[All My Stitches Itch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 06:37 PM
Stand on the grassland/field and refuse to move. Take a book with you and relax.
:P

but come on people reply! i'm serious about this!

[dopediana]

that happened to a corn field by my neighborhood. there was a community meeting about it hosted by the town officials for people to discuss it. EVERYONE WAS AGAINST IT BUT THE BASTARDS WITH AUTHORITY!!!! every neighborhood had representatives present extremely valid arguments against it but in the end the folks up top were like "oooh the poor business men have already invested in it!" they held it. and then completely overlooked everyone's opinion. DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN. make sure everyone in your neighborhood, on your street, etc knows. write the local city council. ***** like hell. and if that fails, set up camp.

[Guerrilla22]

Make up a petition, go around and get people in your neighborhood to to sign it and then present it to your local city council or Mayor's office, if that doesn't work, wait untill the house is mostly constructed, then set the ***** on fire.

[Subversive Pessimist]

but come on people reply! i'm serious about this!

I was serious. In the meantime, do what Guerilla22 said. If you're going to burn it down, wait for a rainy day, and make sure the grass is wet. Put some gasoline on the house, and let it burn.

Depends of course on how serious you are.

[All My Stitches Itch]

Thanks!

And its not just one house, its 180 houses.

:angry:

[dopediana]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 08:24 PM

I was serious. In the meantime, do what Guerilla22 said. If you're going to burn it down, wait for a rainy day, and make sure the grass is wet. Put some gasoline on the house, and let it burn.

Depends of course on how serious you are.
lyek d00d! DIRECT ACTION! we're liek, serious! the only problem is nobody takes us seriously anymore!

don't be a retarded arsonist. get the neighborhood involved and participate in some DEMOCRACY!!

[Fidelbrand]

Banners-making,
media-*****ing,
local council swearing,
slogans-chanting,
prepare some firecrakers to scare the cappies' from advancing.

Maybe prepare some salad dressing, .... (you know what i mean..... ^__^)

[ComradeRed]

Get a militia, be a green robin hood. Steal from the rich, give to the poor, rage against Bush, and so on and so forth, like wise, and etc.

Or, if you had more support, you could counter it.

Go Comrade All My Stitches Itch, Robin Hood from wherever-the-hell you are! :P

[STI]

Maybe prepare some salad dressing, .... (you know what i mean..... ^__^)

I don't get it :(

Does it have something to do with "tossing the salad", because, if it does.... i don't want to know what that "salad dressing is"...

.... Okay, yes I do.

Anyway, getting a lot of people to do a camp-out on the field would be stellar.

[pedro san pedro]

you need to think about who actually has the power to stop this from happening - camping out on the field is cool, but you need to direct this action at a particular person/organisation. has the resource consent (go ahead) been given by council?

if not, target these guys. show the restience in the local community to the development - they are supposedley there to represent the locals yeah?

if the locals are already in agreement, then half the battle is won - all you have to do now is give those people something to direct the feelings toward - some tangible action 'normal' people can easily do to help force change. make up fliers explaining the issue - i'm sure you can find cheap printing options - and make sure you include an ask for people on the form.

this could be as simple as contacting the releveant decisoin maker and voicing concern.

start holding stalls in the area if teere is a spot with high foot-traffic. be aware that you may need a permit for this - if so you will need public liablity insurance. this can be costly - i am insured to 20 million when i'm out. often you dont need a permit - and therefore no insurance - if you dont erect a structure: buy a clipboard instead.

once you have people motivated to do stuff, get a new flier inviting peopl to a public meeting. make sure that you have a good turn out, or it will do more harm than good. try and get the decision maker to come long, and then try to manipluate him/her into saying yah or nay on the spot.

get local community papers involved - they tend to be desperate for stories and love the david and golith thing. get a good press release together - with a whole lotta luck you may f ind they just print that instead of doing an article.

etc etc etc

www.environmentaladvocay.org may have a few resources you could use.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 09:09 AM

I don't get it :(

Does it have something to do with "tossing the salad", because, if it does.... i don't want to know what that "salad dressing is"...

.... Okay, yes I do.

Anyway, getting a lot of people to do a camp-out on the field would be stellar.
the salad dressing can be the genuine one, or some.. not so genuine ones~ ;) (Cow dunk mixed with something else, etc....)
It really depends on what those jerks deserve... :ph34r:

[All My Stitches Itch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 09:41 PM

Go Comrade All My Stitches Itch, Robin Hood from wherever-the-hell you are! :P
staffordshire in england. pye green valley (the land they WILL NOT build on) is in hednesford so if your any where near there. . . give me a hand!!

:lol:

[DaCuBaN]

don't be a retarded arsonist. get the neighborhood involved and participate in some DEMOCRACY!!

ATP.... You've just climbed fifty points in my 'respect' scale. Thank you! :)

Try the simple approach before you get yourself arrested and we see a website dedicated to freeing you from prison. Contact your MP and see if he is willing to get involved (I'll admit this is unlikely). Spend some money on leafleting the area and getting support - stand outside busy areas doing the same - talk to anyone you can about the issue.

Short of that, the suggestion to sit in the field really isn't a bad one - You'd be surprised how much of a pain in the arse you can be just sitting in a field with a few friends. Be sure not to make any mess during this process, as the smallest mistake can lead to them having legal grounds - and hence the ability to use force - to remove you.

It's just a pity you're not up in scotland - we have laws known as 'right of passage' - so long as you never stop moving whilst in the field, noone can remove you by law.

The necessity for housing will always be present, and so these houses must be built somewhere. Find out the price-band these are going to be in as this could be useful, and try to locate somewhere that could be used as an alternative - such as an abandoned industrial site.

Everything else aside, good luck.

[Guerrilla22]

if you don't want to take the E.L.F. approach and torch things (which I still reccomend) then take the hippie approach and get a bunch of people to set up tents in the field and stay there, to prevent the constuction from happening.

[pedro san pedro]

direct asction is generally used as a last resort - it is much harder than making a phone call or writing a letter, tends to get expensive and can result in arrest.

Guerrilla22: you gotta think about what is actually going to force change, not jut go out and make noise

[Guerrilla22]

Making noise is so much more fun though.

[DaCuBaN]

Hippie all the way man! :lol:

[dopediana]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 10:09 PM
Making noise is so much more fun though.
obviously you take reform very seriously.......... it's ok to joke about certain things or say stuff to lighten the mood, but honestly "making noise" is such a teenage "rebel without a clue" thing to do.....

[Hate Is Art]

Dig a big hole in the entrance to the field, get a bed sheet and put it across the entrance to the hole, cover it in dirt, leaves and shit. Set up a video camera and wait! Mua hahahaha.

Seriously just *****, the local council was attempting to build a fucking rubbish dump in the disused quary at the top of my road, just ***** and ***** and *****. Get everyone in your neighbourhood to *****, after plently of *****ing the council gave up and moved on.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 02:54 AM
obviously you take reform very seriously.......... it's ok to joke about certain things or say stuff to lighten the mood, but honestly "making noise" is such a teenage "rebel without a clue" thing to do.....
I already gave him what I had. To review: start a petition, camp out on the site, preventing the constructon from happening, or set the thing on fire (if you're that committed) anyways, sometimes making as much noise as you possibly can works, in my town they wanted to tear up some wetlands to put in boat docks, so a group of us called sevreral enviromentalist groups. Sure enough the groups showed up and *****ed loud and constantly, and eventually the city gave up on the whole thing.

[All My Stitches Itch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 08:52 AM
I already gave him what I had.
him as in me? :blink:

i'm a girl darling. :D

thanks for the advice.

[Ortega]

Well, I'm not sure if this works in the U.K., but the media here in the U.S. goes crazy over protestors/activists. Contact some branch of the media, or find a place where news cameras/reporters already are, and make a lot of noise. In the U.S., at least, that would do the trick. More than one activist has succeeded because the media caught on to his or her cause and publicized it.

[pedro san pedro]

I already gave him what I had. To review: start a petition, camp out on the site, preventing the constructon from happening, or set the thing on fire (if you're that committed) anyways, sometimes making as much noise as you possibly can works, in my town they wanted to tear up some wetlands to put in boat docks, so a group of us called sevreral enviromentalist groups. Sure enough the groups showed up and *****ed loud and constantly, and eventually the city gave up on the whole thing.

the *****ing and making noise is just what you saw as an individual on the sidelines. this would have allhave been backed up by serious research and lobbying. just making noise usually doesnt change anything - it is just a means of giving a protest movement some power/exposure, which then allows them to pressure a key decision maker.

what needs to happen is the person who can make the decision to prevent the development needs to be found - then a stratergy to force that person to make the right decision needs to be implemented.

you HAVE to think about what is actually going to force a positiveoutcome - not just show up and wave banners and beat your drum. (even if this i more fun ;) )

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by All My Stitches [email protected] 27 2004, 02:57 PM
him as in me? :blink:

i'm a girl darling. :D

thanks for the advice.
Lo siento.