anti-cheism is growing

[rahul]

lets discuss why this anti-cheism is growing.i got one here--this one (http://www.murmurs.com/talk/showthread.php?t=70563&page=3)

[RJRevolution]

that thread is horseshit. It's just a bunch of conservative dumbasses making stupid connections between the 2 so they can spread "Anti-cheism". They think just because Che and Bin Laden are anti-amercian/capitalist, Che is as bad as Bin Laden.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I've noticed this myself.

They often say that Che enjoyed gagging little kids up and shoot them in the head, or that he was a terrorist. However. They can't come up with documentation.

[ShootCoward]

Well...everything Che ever fought (and died) for was to improve conditions for the poor and oppressed on a global scale, he just felt that fighting for it was the only way that equality (socialism) could be achieved (i agree).
So let's see...is that what bin Laden is after...no, obviously not.
Che was nothing like a terrorist, that's just American propoganda...because in 'the land of the free' you're not allowed to go against government opinion.
Che was a hero, a one off human being with nobody else like him, fighting to help the poor and suffering he saw all around him...and it's as simple as that.

[Subversive Pessimist]

True.

It's interesting. This thread is about Che, and the only one answering has been guys with an avatar depicting Che. :)

[Revolt!]

seems like more kid style debating on that link. Why do people even pay attention to it?

[fernando]

-Their both idealisms are against inviduality/freedom
-hypocrites
-they both use violence

Didnt the US do the same in the past? maybe we could compare Reagan with Bin Laden? really that thread is realyl a piece of crap, it just shows how scared the US is from people like Guevara, they are afraid of losing their backyard

[Wiesty]

if they said everyone who didnt like america was like binladen, we'd have another race living on this planet

[fernando]

Didn Bin Laden become rich by capitalism?

[Subversive Pessimist]

Yes, that is true.

[fernando]

So we could compare Bin Laden with Georgo W Bush...

-both in the oil business (or at least used to be)
-both lead military attacks
-both are responsible for many dead people
-both are religious fanatics

hey now there is an idea for a thread :rolleyes:

[Karo de Perro]

Before I even attempt to give serious reply to the question of this thread I wish to pose a question to those who eagerly pounce on this isssue and the question is this,'What exactly is Cheism?'.

Is this somehow a new socio-political ideology based on the theories and activism of Che himself? .. or could this Cheism be,as I suspect,nothing more than a fascination with the romantic imagery of a man who was fortunate enough to have his foto snapped and sent around the world and by it was elevated to a modern pop-icon?

Consider all the revolutionaries before Che ... there were plenty,but unfortunately they were not handsome enough in physical appearance to warrant remembrace I suppose.

The strange and rather ironic aspect of this entire phenomenon is that Che himself detested the idea of personality-cults.

As for the current proposition of comparing bin Laden to Che,this I see as nothing more than a ploy of the cappies in order to dissaude the renewed interest in Che and his ideas.

Osama bin Laden wages war for Allah,he considers himself a defender of Islam against the West and by this carried out inhumane terrorist tactics without thought of innocent civilians of those countries which he opposes - this is unacceptable for any true revolutionary in that such are always aware of certain unwritten rules in guerilla warfare,one of which being - NEVER carelessly launch attacks wherein the common people would be placed in danger or else needlessly slaughtered.

As I said,bin Laden fights for Allah and Islam ... while,to my knowledge Che never once raised a rifle for sake of the pope and catholicism!

Still,as I initially ask ... define this Cheism which the thread eludes to and then we ll talk.

[fernando]

there is another thread which discusses "cheism"

[bush youth]

I'm seeing che being shifted into the mainstream a lot more in these past few years. It's so common for people to discover the good of communism through seeing che somewhere and checking up on it. (That's how I first discovered communism) If I were a capitalist, I would definetely feel threatened by that and shift my efforts towards being "anti-che"

So I think all this "anti-cheism" means were doing something right. And as you see in those threads, it's hard to make a good argument that che was somehow evil, so bring it on!

[abigratsass]

not that i take this thred seriously but actually bin laden was never in the oil bussiness . most of the money in his family orginatres from construction work and things realte to that field and then later on they exapnded to other things.
not just because their saudis dosent mean everything realtes to oil!!!

[Kurai Tsuki]

A better term than "Cheism" is Guevarism. When referring to a person's baliefs, the last name of the person is usually used.

[Take the Power back]

Some of the posters on that site seem to disagree with the connection. That's somewhat good, i guess.

[DarkAngel]

These people disgust me. They seem to be under the impression wearing a t-shirt, makes you a communist, facist, terrorist, ect..

[Kurai Tsuki]

I would prefer that anti-Guevarism be prevelant than have Guevara be popular based on a watered down perception of his life.

[rahul]

okey let that be guevarism!

but cheism is good to prunounce!

[Subversive Pessimist]

Another thread:

http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewtopic....t=28078&start=0 (http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=28078&start=0)

They talk about Che-lives in that thread, too.

[pandora]

All most all of the comments were founded in ignorance and cruelty in some ideology that being mean to others somehow made them important or worthy.

There was very little understanding on the site that they were peons themselves and that in the scheme of things would be run over like everyone else.

This ignorance or lack of understanding even of their own predictment left them with nothing to say except disparging comments.

Regardless of the subject matter it would be hard to communicate with a message board more than once that's primary purpose was putting other people down and being angry at having to accept others.

[Subversive Pessimist]

More anti-che shit.

This is seriously getting me depressed... Can't they just leave the dead guy alone? :( (http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=3&sid=dbd94a8b49e0be57884930b403a59842)

[bluerev002]

JAJAJAJAJAJA!

THATS FUNNY SHIT MAN

that fucker stupidus is acting like he knows everything.

their supposed to be debating but all their doing is fighting amongs themselves "throwing mud" at each other

funny kids

[bluerev002]

ignoracne is bliss for these ppl I guess

Reagan shirts? holy shit, then I guess their anti mexican too huh

[commiecrusader]

not that i take this thred seriously but actually bin laden was never in the oil bussiness . most of the money in his family orginatres from construction work and things realte to that field and then later on they exapnded to other things.
not just because their saudis dosent mean everything realtes to oil!!!
clearly someone hasnt seen the fahrenheit 9/11 film. watch it. it clearly demonstrates that whilst osama himself was never directly involved in the oil business, his family is. he did however get a lot of money and weapons from the US during the Afghan civil war in the late 70s/80s i cant quite remember when it was exactly

anyway anti-guevarism could be seen as a good thing as the more it spreads, the more people will become interested, research, and be able to make their own conclusions, which cant really fail to contradict an anti-guevarism viewpoint

[Latin American Socialist]

Che and Bin Laden are anti-amercian/capitalist

You must be confused, Che is anti capitalist and anti-america, but Osama is a huge capitalist. He is the richest man in Saudi-Arabia, next to the Saudi Royalty.

[cormacobear]

Bin Ladens family may be the second richest the wealth is in the billions. Osama however is worth about 30 million. His family is the largest cunstruction outfit in the middle east. and prior to the Afghan war and even for a few breif years after he ran several cunstruction projects for his family contracts given by oil companies to the Bin Laden group of companies, which in turn invest heavily in oil and oilfeild enterprises.

So Bin Laden himself is not an "oil man" however his ties to the industry are more than tenuous.

To the best of my knowledge Che never attacked americans on American soil.

[Seraph]

this is sad. Whenever Americans want you to hate someone, they try to relate him to bin Laden, or 9/11 somehow. Over and over again this is done. These are the same moronic "middle class" people who believe in the American dream, and still think that they'll be rich one day too.

[RedAnarchist]

We have to fight anti-che violence and ignorance with education of the ignorant. Bush and people of his and Bin Laden's ilk rely on people's naivety to turn them into brainless sycophants who have no ability to think for themselves.

[Freedom Writer]

This is just like the people here in finland, we think we are heroic nation that smashed the evil soviets! Infact, back in ~1940 we agreed to send jews (the few we had) to germany, we executed many enemy soldiers and german soldiers even started to build deathcamps (where the russian "race" belonged). So the truth is: "People dont really know what happened" and who Che really was. And they dont have the will to read facts they are just the blind mass of stupidity and believe every word that the right-wing propaganda says.

[Vallegrande]

I feel like the anti-che people that were part of a previous generation that were brainwashed, either by their teachers or parents, and who were most likely Batista supporters. And this same brainwashing is going on down to the new generations, who also dont know the half of the story. Stupid newspapers coming in also that talk down about the situation in Cuba... just more brain washing fascism.

[Freedom Writer]

I feel like the anti-che people that were part of a previous generation that were brainwashed, either by their teachers or parents, and who were most likely Batista supporters.

Fact, but I dont think they knew much of Batista. Or they might know something and Batista was pictured as this "kind old man" (also known as propaganda).


And this same brainwashing is going on down to the new generations, who also dont know the half of the story. Stupid newspapers coming in also that talk down about the situation in Cuba... just more brain washing fascism.

Fact, I can see this in communism, its like this evil spirit here in finland. My mother, my brother AND my friends think communism is about.. Well here in finland communism=Stalin, which isnt true. Some commies/socialists say that Stalin wasnt communist? Or that he was "Stalinist" and created "Stalinism". I better read some book about this. Also I heard that Lenin didnt like Stalin in hes last days and that he sided with Trotsky. I dont really know, but so far that I have info and its like this.