Compulsory Organ Harvesting?

[Subversive Pessimist]

I was wondering what your stance is on it. Of course everyone has the right to own their own body under communism, but what about when you are dead, and have no relation to your body? There are people dying because of lack of organs. Do you think compulsory organ harvesting would be a good idea?

[Faceless]

perhaps it should be that you can only be given a card that says you WONT donate your organs. Lets face it, a lot of people who dont care dont have donor cards. certainly no family member should have a say on you body if you are a child. The rights of a parent to a child must be killed though.

To me it depends upon the desperation of the services. The living always prioritise.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I've thought about the same thing. However, it would be interesting to see how people would react on it.

[Guerrilla22]

I guess out of respect for the individual and family, organ donation sould remain voluntary. However, if stem cell research and cloning technology were allowed to progress, human organs could potentially be grown.

[insurgency03]

we should take what we need from the dead,because they have no use for it, and i think they take it all ut when they embalm you(just a guess though, im not very clear on the whole embalming thing)

there should be compulsary cremation too we waste too much room on cemataries that could be put to use for something else.

[DaCuBaN]

out of respect for the individual and family, organ donation sould remain voluntary

I get really pissed off when people refuse to allow the harvesting of organs for 'moral' reasons. What possible reason does a corpse have for keeping it's organs? What possible difference does it make if the corpse is torched or buried missing a kidney?

The sooner people realise that we're just big sacks of water that don't amount to shit, the better. The idea that mankind is somewhat 'sacrosant' is utter bollocks in my mind.

[Fidelbrand]

I concur with Guerrilla22.

Giving organs away is a morally appreciable act, but not giving it should also be respected. Albeit the superfluousness of retaining the dead organs when one is burried 6 feet under, they have the right to their body, persuasion can be used, but if they really say "No." , then... it should be taken as a "no".

[h&s]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 06:55 AM
I get really pissed off when people refuse to allow the harvesting of organs for 'moral' reasons. What possible reason does a corpse have for keeping it's organs? What possible difference does it make if the corpse is torched or buried missing a kidney?

The sooner people realise that we're just big sacks of water that don't amount to shit, the better. The idea that mankind is somewhat 'sacrosant' is utter bollocks in my mind.
My thoughts exactly
I especially hate those 'caring families' who don't let organs to be taken from their relatives, even though they have a donor card.
When we are dead we are nothing, just carbon and water. When I die I want every possible thing taken from me, as why would a pile of ashes need a heart and kidneys?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I get really pissed off when people refuse to allow the harvesting of organs for 'moral' reasons. What possible reason does a corpse have for keeping it's organs? What possible difference does it make if the corpse is torched or buried missing a kidney?

The sooner people realise that we're just big sacks of water that don't amount to shit, the better. The idea that mankind is somewhat 'sacrosant' is utter bollocks in my mind.

I concur wholeheartedly! In my opinion, the burial/burning of corpses represents a psychological prop and a disgusting waste.

As to living relations, if theye didn't own the deceased when they were alive, why the hell should they own the corpse?

I couldn't care less what happens to my body after death, I won't be around to experience it.

[Subversive Pessimist]

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[Fidelbrand]

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Got some wit there hah? Justice?
Creative lad.

[Guerrilla22]

I love this hardcore attitude "who cares if organs are harvested," attitude and beter yet, compulsory cremation. Is it really in our best interest to live in a society, where we devalue the person so much, that we rip 'em apart after they die and then torch whatever is left?

I really don't think you guys actually believe this, especially if it was someone in your family. Like I said before, utlize stem cell research to grow organs, it may be some time off, but its a much better alternative.

[praxis1966]

I agree with Guerrilla. Stem cell research has alot more potential than compulsory organ harvesting. The fact is that it's exceedingly difficult to find tissue matches from donor cadavers, and I'm sure there are already millions of people with donor cards (myself included). Stem cells could at some point provide a much cheaper and efficient method of supplying organs, especially when you consider the fact that people like me probably have unsuitable organs due to years of smoking and substance abuse. :lol:

Besides, like Chris Rock says, " What if 20 years after you die they figure out away to bring you back from the dead? 'Ain't this a *****? Back from the dead, and now I don't got no eyes!'"

[Subversive Pessimist]

Is it possible to say: I'm willing to donate for these and these people, but not that prick...?

[andresG]

Well I believe this whole business of burying the dead, wasting of space with cemeteries and adding to the religious aspect of it all should be put to an end. So compulsory organ harvesting and then incineration of the body seems about right to me.

A tomb and grave should not be needed to remember a person.

[encore]

I think we should ask the dead people if they want their organs to be harvested. By doing that we would get farther - faster - than this arguement has gone ;).

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 10:31 PM
Well I believe this whole business of burying the dead, wasting of space with cemeteries and adding to the religious aspect of it all should be put to an end. So compulsory organ harvesting and then incineration of the body seems about right to me.

A tomb and grave should not be needed to remember a person.
What space are you talking about? Its not as if vast quantities of land are not avaible and that cemetaries make up 50% of the earth.

[h&s]

Well I believe this whole business of burying the dead, wasting of space with cemeteries and adding to the religious aspect of it all should be put to an end. So compulsory organ harvesting and then incineration of the body seems about right to me.

Well I don't agree with the compulsory organ harvesting, but I do agree with doing away with burial. I think taking the organs out of a body, and then burning it is far more respectful to the person than buring it and letting some bearded freeky archaeologist digging it up and throwing it in a museum in a few hundred years time.


agree with Guerrilla. Stem cell research has alot more potential than compulsory organ harvesting
But then you get those self-righteous 'pro-life' religous pricks claiming that the cells are a human being, and shouldn't be exploited...

[Guerrilla22]

Okay, maybe we could do away with burials, but as far as some right wing prick objecting to stem cell research, now even Nancy , Reagan is for stem cell research, surely if someone the far-right respects enough pushes for it, it could be a reality.

[DaCuBaN]

A tomb and grave should not be needed to remember a person.

My sentiment exactly.


Is it really in our best interest to live in a society, where we devalue the person so much, that we rip 'em apart after they die and then torch whatever is left?

Although I agree that more time needs to be put into stem cell research, and hence the entire cloning field, I fail to see what we lose by having compulsory organ harvesting. We gain the ability to get thousands more possible tissue-matches for transplant, and noone else loses a thing

Except the people who see some 'moral' value in a dead body...


I really don't think you guys actually believe this, especially if it was someone in your family

I most certainly do believe this, and with the exception of one of four dead grandparents (we haven't had any unexpected deaths, thankfully) all were donated to medical science. The 'other' was cremated, but no use were made of their organs - but not out of morality.

Don't you find it exhilirating to think that in your death you may save a life without even trying?


Besides, like Chris Rock says, " What if 20 years after you die they figure out away to bring you back from the dead? 'Ain't this a *****? Back from the dead, and now I don't got no eyes!'"

I think perhaps if you were getting your body selfishly frozen for possible revival, then you wouldn't really consider organ harvesting. compulsary organ harvesting would do away with this field anyway, if you think about it.

*EDIT*

What I don't understand, is where this morality comes from... most religions preach that the body is a shell... so what's the value? The spirit is alleged to have departed after death....

[andresG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 01:02 AM
What space are you talking about? Its not as if vast quantities of land are not avaible and that cemetaries make up 50% of the earth.

I feel this space could be put to better use. The fact that there is more space out there doesn't mean we shouldn't get rid of things that are just useless.

[Stapler]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 08:20 PM

I feel this space could be put to better use. The fact that there is more space out there doesn't mean we shouldn't get rid of things that are just useless.
besides, cemeteries are creepy.

Actually, I agree with dacuban. The human body is of no use to anyone once we are dead. The only reason that I could see anyone refusing to donate their organs is if they were infected with HIV, or had recently seen Monty Python's The Meaning of Life.

[Stapler]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 08:08 PM
What I don't understand, is where this morality comes from... most religions preach that the body is a shell... so what's the value? The spirit is alleged to have departed after death....
It's about pretending as though a loved one one is not dead. You may not want to have your dead mother cut up, or "desacrated" because you wish that they were still alive. Because on some absurd level you feel they they still exist somewhere, and that by allowing their organs to be donated, you'd be allowing them to die a second time.