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Solzhenitsyn
20th July 2004, 16:17
The question remains: Did he catch it from banging his groupies or from the more tradition route via prostitution?

By Megan Goldin

BEERSHEBA, Israel (Reuters) - There were whispers in the Kremlin and salons of Europe for decades but it was never more than idle gossip until a team of Israeli doctors announced that they had solved an 80-year-old medical mystery.



The posthumous diagnosis by two psychiatrists and a neurologist recently published in the European Journal of Neurology was that the great Russian revolutionary and Soviet icon Vladimir Lenin died an agonizing death from syphilis.


"It's an amazing story, the degeneration of Lenin's mental and neurological state," said psychiatrist Dr Eliezer Witztum.


The doctors' diagnosis of crippling neurosyphilis that caused massive brain damage and dementia in Lenin in the last two years of his life is more than a historical curiosity that sullies the image of the founder of the Soviet Union.


The disease and a decades-long cover-up by the Soviet authorities, who turned Lenin into the deity of their fledgling state, highlights the danger of hiding the mental health of leaders who hold the fate of millions in their hands, the doctors said.


"His (Lenin's) private business affected the lives of millions because of his illness, his inability to lead the country at a crucial time," said Yoram Finkelstein, head of diagnostic neurology at Jerusalem's Shaare Zedek hospital.


"It was a time of chaos and there was a power vacuum which was unfortunately filled by Stalin."


The retrospective diagnosis was reached using documents released after the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union -- Lenin's medical chart, autopsy results and memoirs by physicians who treated Lenin and were sworn to silence after his death in 1924.


"The symptoms are compatible with syphilis as are the mental changes which preceded the overt disease," said Finkelstein.


SOVIET COVER-UP?


The official cause given for Lenin's death was cerebral arteriosclerosis, but only eight of the 27 physicians who treated him and were at his autopsy signed that report.


His two personal physicians refused to sign. Dr Vladimir Lerner, a Moscow-born psychiatrist at Israel's Ben Gurion University in Beersheba, thinks he knows why.


As a young psychiatrist in Moscow, he worked with the son of Lenin's chief physician who confided that his father once told him that as many as eight autopsy reports had been drawn up with a different cause for Lenin's death in each. One cited syphilis.


Proving Lenin died of syphilis was complex as the sexually transmitted micro organism -- which was rampant and incurable in Europe in the 19th and early 20th centuries -- was frequently mistaken for other neurological illnesses.


"Syphilis is often called the great imitator because it imitates so many diseases," explained Lerner, before reeling off a list of evidence that he said pointed to a high degree of certainty to neurosyphilis as the cause of Lenin's death.


Perhaps the most explosive evidence is a decision by a committee of physicians including syphilis experts to prescribe the drug Salvarsan to treat the ailing Lenin in 1922.


Salvarsan, a potent drug from arsenic with agonizing side effects, was used only to treat syphilis, the doctors said.





Their suspicions of a cover-up were fueled by censored medical records coupled with Soviet documents that reveal the Commissar of Health instructed the chief pathologist to put forth "evidence" that Lenin did not die of syphilis.

Blood tests which were taken frequently and would have proved conclusively that Lenin had syphilis are missing from his medical chart, while the results of far less accurate urine and lumbar puncture tests are still in the file.

"There is no direct proof because of the lack of blood tests. Why did they disappear?" asked Lerner. "Why are there urine and lumbar tests which were taken infrequently but the results of blood test which they conducted often have vanished?"

Other evidence included consultations by a renowned syphilis expert who once gave a cryptic hint when asked about Lenin's illness: "Everyone knows for which brain disorder I am called."

LENIN'S CRIPPLING ILLNESS

In addition, the doctors studied the changes to Lenin's personality several years before he became obviously ill. It can take 10 to 20 years from the time syphilis is contracted for the disease to reach the brain.

Before the revolution, Lenin began to find the sound of loud noise unbearable. His associates wrote in memoirs that he became quick-tempered, irritable and sometimes lost self control.

Lenin's brain, preserved at an institute in Moscow, might furnish the final proof, but the doctors doubt Russian officials will ever allow independent scholars to study tissue samples.

revolutionindia
20th July 2004, 16:39
Dead men and women should be left alone as a mark of respect.
and should not be a part of gossip and speculation that serve's no purpose

I wish people would leave lenin,diana and the reamining dead people all alone

synthesis
20th July 2004, 16:44
I don't see how this is relevant to anything. If Lenin had a lot of sex with a lot of different people, good for him.

Fidelbrand
20th July 2004, 16:48
We all have our different stories of private lives, don't we. ^_____^

That doesn't affect his unique success in his politics.

Louis Pio
20th July 2004, 17:29
Maybe he got it from his mistress, that seems most probable. But then again who bothers? If that's the only way you can discredit Lenin you have a big problem.
Choosing gossip over political debate is a low standard.

Raisa
20th July 2004, 17:38
I that Lenin had a "touch" of syphilis.
This is no surprise because there was alot of syphilis back then, Lenins not invincible and neither are you - practice safe sex ;)

STI
20th July 2004, 18:39
Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 05:38 PM
I that Lenin had a "touch" of syphilis.
This is no surprise because there was alot of syphilis back then, Lenins not invincible and neither are you - practice safe sex ;)
Practice makes perfect. Feel like making "perfect"? ;)

I just made that up right now all by myself.

Now I get a cookie.

Solzhenitsyn
21st July 2004, 12:17
"That doesn't affect his unique success in his politics. "

Syphilitic psychosis certainly affected his ability to lead.

Hiero
21st July 2004, 12:26
Such a pathetic atemp to try and discredit a man of such prestige.

Hiero
21st July 2004, 12:28
Any way i thought he died from a bullet wound he never recovered from.

Guerrilla22
21st July 2004, 12:40
Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 12:17 PM
"That doesn't affect his unique success in his politics. "

Syphilitic psychosis certainly affected his ability to lead.
By the time he had fallen ill, he had already accomplished a sucessful revolution. End of story.

Danton
21st July 2004, 13:11
Yeah, because the Soviet union is really thriving.

Louis Pio
21st July 2004, 13:21
Aha let's see. In Dantons eyes not even Marcus Aurelius was succesfull since the roman empire fell later... Stupid reasoning Danton...

The Sloth
21st July 2004, 13:31
This is all very interesting.

But unfortunately, I assume the thread was not started due to the author's "thirst for truth"...I think it had more to do with a lame attempt at discrediting someone else.

Not that I agree with some of Lenin's theories, but nonetheless...

Danton
22nd July 2004, 09:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 01:21 PM
Aha let's see. In Dantons eyes not even Marcus Aurelius was succesfull since the roman empire fell later... Stupid reasoning Danton...
Stupid comparison TEIS. If the changes a revolution brings about are not permanent then it isn't sucessfull. Thankfully Lenin's abortion only lasted a fraction of the time Rome did.

Robber Baron
22nd July 2004, 09:36
ahh somewhere along the lovemaking line he fucked someone who fucked someone who fucked someone who gently screwed sheep.

Al Capone lost his mind over that shit.Made him sloppy.

Guerrilla22
22nd July 2004, 10:00
Welcome to the site Baron, I'm sure you'll be restricted in no time.

Robber Baron
22nd July 2004, 10:56
I'm a old timer.Hell I had 444 posts in 2 days here during my last stint.
And yes *sigh* I was restricted.

Everyone was soo afraid of the bad cappi out amongst the sheep.
They were thinking of the children and my cappi filth was going no where near there drug indused minds.Hell I might have talked a hippi into taking a shower and you know the shit hits the fan when that happens.

But I am a new breed now.Far more polite than I used to be.
I am feeling good about life.Ahh the country air.

now back to the regular program...where were we ohh yes... the sheep herder.

L