Palestinian revolution?

[herr_Nosferatu]

Today seems to be the first day of the real Palestinian revolution... One aimed at rooting out Arafat and his crooked lackies....

I'm very pleased to see his control going out of reach... It's time to see new, young and progressive minds to take the destiny of the palestinians into hand...

Any thoughts on these new, exciting and intense developments ???

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[il Commie]

I don't know how to react.

The people are rebelling against Arafat and his corrupt gang. This is good. If they'll succeed, they won't have to deal with the traitors blocking the intifada for Israel. The Palestinian Authority heads are resigning one after the other. The light who set out the fire was Musa Arafat becoming a minister, the people were angry at the raiis Yasser Arafat for giving jobs to his nefew.

All papers in Israel are talking about "Anarchy!" in the palestinian territories. This is also a good sign, because that's usually how the ruling class see the revolution.

But I can't be very optimistic. As far as I know, the Palestinian People's Party (formerly Palestinian Communist Party) is now somewhat a part of the PLO, and I don't know how much it is involved in the corruption of the PA. The other communist organizations are too small.

I can see Palestine becoming Iraq, as Israel will again have total control over it (and that's why Sharon is not very pleased), but as for my hopes for a socialist Palestine, well, I'm not very optimistic.

[AliasHandler]

I don't know what kind of revolutionaries these are. From the way it sounds, I get the impression they are even moreso right-wing hardliners that Arafat is. But that's based on just a feeling, I know nothing of the revolutionaries.

[herr_Nosferatu]

Alias, what do you mean by your impression that these men are hard-line right-wingers ?

They're obviously power-addicts, but I fail to see any leaning of left or right in this case... Arafat claims to be a socialist, like Saddam did, but like Saddam, acts like Stalin, in the demagogue sense.

What's your views...?

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[il Commie]

The last thing Arafat identifies with is Socialism. I don't know where you got this from.

Anyway, there is no revolution currently. Our excitment was in vein.

The people did demonstrated for reforms, but Dahlan just used it for his own purposes. The people shooting each other on the streets of Gaza are all from the Fatah. This is an inner power struggle in that movment between Dahlan and Arafat. In this case, our stand should be calling for the end of the inner palestinian war (which gives much joy to Sharon's goverment), unity against the occupation, the preservation of the Palestinian Authority (since the popular committees of the first intifada do not exist anymore, so the the only alternative for the PA is the IDF) and democratic reforms in the PA.

[herr_Nosferatu]

The last thing Arafat identifies with is Socialism. I don't know where you got this from.

Well it seems apparent that he allegedly espouses socialist thoughts on the grounds that he attended, and was a speaker at the Conference of the Council of the Socialist International, on June 30th 2001. I don't know how relevant this is, but it's where I got this from.

I know this all seems absurd, but he seems to think he's a legitimate symbol of the Palestinian people...

On the topic about revolution, I still believe that there are changes in place right now that will somehow modify the face of this situation in the Middle east, be it good or not changes, something in Gaza and the West Bank is going on that is different than what we've seen in the past four years. I hope I'm right on this....

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[il Commie]

LOL!

The Socialist Inteanationale!

Look, this is a liberal organization. I know the name can be misleading, but it f*cking have Shimon Peres as it's chairman. It's all those new-Labor types of the world. They call themselves 'Socialist', but they support privatizations and the globalization, so I wouldn't give them much thought.

Arafat maybe got there because of his friend Peres, not more.

[life beyond life]

no one here considers the Intifada to be the revolution? or do you feel that revolution is only sought and successful through the formation of political parties?

[herr_Nosferatu]

Originally posted by life beyond [email protected] 24 2004, 07:07 AM
no one here considers the Intifada to be the revolution? or do you feel that revolution is only sought and successful through the formation of political parties?
Which one ??

The first Intifada led to the Oslo signing and the formation of the Palestinian Authority... So, in my opinion, yes this was a successful first step, because it was the first time in history the international community was aware of the plight of the people of "Palestine".

The second Intifada led to the destruction of palestinian homes and businesses, systematic killings of peace activists in occupied lands, near collapse of the palestinian authority, Arafat's safe incarceration in his HQ, and murder of countless innocent people, both Israelis and Palestinians...

By these two comments, to me its apparent that NO the Intifada was not a revolution, it only helped to consolidate the powers of Yassir Arafat...

Whereas the people, the honest, legitimate and poor people of these territories were left to wait for a better tomorrow, and are now slowly dying.

Arafat should've left office in September of 1994, after the Authority was firmly established as a genuine representation of the people and where the condition of the people was known and understood as something real and urgent...

In order for a revolution to be successful, it has to be a constant commitment...

This is where every revolution in history were destroyed, they all stopped at one point...

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