My philosophy on death

[Subversive Pessimist]

My thought on death.

To debate this issue, I believe we have to remind ourselves of one thing:

1. Everybody is going to die. It is just a matter of time.

That said, I don't get why we should die with strong beliefs, when we can actually die for a cause that is usefull? I agree that it is stupid to die for a cause when you are 15, 20, 30, because you have so much more to explore with life.

However, why not die for something you believe in, after living a good and normal life? The only difference between having our head blown off by American bullets, and dying by a heart attack is the different way of dying. The way of dying will not matter if it is instant, because you will not exist. Only the period in life is important.

No one of us knows how death is going to be. However, I doubt things would be "black", because black is a color we see, it's not a state of mind. Just because it gets black because you close your eyes doesn't mean it would be like that when you are dead. Most likely, there will be no colors. There will be nothing at all, because you do not exist.

Therefore, to think of death as something evil would be wrong. Something that does not exist cannot be evil. To live is to exist, to die is to not exist.

You will live until you die. Because you would not exist, there would be nothing to fear when you are dead. You cannot escape reality: You WILL die. Period.

Think of it as a computer game:
You can do whatever you want, but what you do will have consequenses while you play. It will affect your game. However, the game will not be over before it is, in fact, over.


Compared to the time we will not exist, life is just a matter of seconds. I don't know about you, but I would sure as hell do something usefull and interesting with the little period I have on Earth.

Although the will is there, there are also some people who want to improve their lives (of themselves and others), but they're just too afraid to come out of their comfort zones and explore the endless opportunities out there.

Yes, there may be challenges and problems; but if you try your best to move forward, you'll get more out of life.

Explore and diversify. Take a different route to work, eat exotic foods you've never tasted, do something outrageous (not dangerous).

You've got only one life to live. Maximize every opportunity. Go out and do those things which will leave lasting memories in your mind. Live every day as if it's your last.

Seize every moment!

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 10:32 PM
1. Everybody is going to die. It is just a matter of time.


Prove it.




That said, I don't get why we should die with strong beliefs, when we can actually die for a cause that is usefull? I agree that it is stupid to die for a cause when you are 15, 20, 30, because you have so much more to explore with life.

Why is it stupid? History has shown that young people are usually the core of revolutionary movements and that they are the most sacrificial because of their place in society and because they have no real commitments.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 09:32 PM


That said, I don't get why we should die with strong beliefs, when we can actually die for a cause that is usefull? I agree that it is stupid to die for a cause when you are 15, 20, 30, because you have so much more to explore with life.

However, why not die for something you believe in, after living a good and normal life? The only difference between having our head blown off by American bullets, and dying by a heart attack is the different way of dying. The way of dying will not matter if it is instant, because you will not exist. Only the period in life is important.

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I disagree. It is not stupid to die fighting for a cause that you believe in. What is stupid is not fighting for something that you believe in, just so you can be comfortable and enjoy a longer existence. Also, if you die for a cause, that will help others, or die attempting to help others how is that not worth it. As far as waiting to take up a cause, the problem with that is for those who may need your help now it will be too late.

[New Tolerance]

1. Everybody is going to die. It is just a matter of time.

Maybe this conciousness of yours is just a dream, and the all the talk of death is just your imagination, after all, you haven't died, so how do you know that you ever would?


Therefore, to think of death as something evil would be wrong. Something that does not exist cannot be evil. To live is to exist, to die is to not exist.

What is the significance of existance?


Compared to the time we will not exist, life is just a matter of seconds. I don't know about you, but I would sure as hell do something usefull and interesting with the little period I have on Earth.

There is actually a suggestion that time is just a psychological thing, and time doesn't really exist.



Everything you've said so far sounds somewhat hollow, with the idea of: since life is short, do something big with it.

My question is: what's your point? So what if life is short? How does that justify anything?

[Umoja]

1. Everybody is going to die. It is just a matter of time.

I will live forever, or die trying.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Why is it stupid? History has soon that young people are usually the core of revolutionary movements and are the most sacrificaial because of their place in society and because they have no real commitments.

Sorry. Got it out a little wrong. There is nothing wrong with that, it's just that I think it's tragic for young people to die. :(

[Roses in the Hospital]

It is not stupid to die fighting for a cause that you believe in. What is stupid is not fighting for something that you believe in, just so you can be comfortable and enjoy a longer existence. Also, if you die for a cause, that will help others, or die attempting to help others how is that not worth it. As far as waiting to take up a cause, the problem with that is for those who may need your help now it will be too late.

You have to way up the possibilities before deciding wether or not it's worth dying for your cause. In any particular situation you may feel that your life is worth giving away because of the good it will bring about. But, there is always the possibility that your living will bring about even more good in time. You may be in a position to free ten people from slavery one day, but be in a position to free ten the next. This would not be a possibility if you'd thrown your life away the previous day. Obviously none of of us can see into the future to make a totally objective decision but for some of us it may be obvious that we would do more good living than dead. The bottom line being that it is all well and good dying for your cause, but if you can live for your cause that may be even better...

[Fabi]

Death is something we do not know first hand. All things unknown are death. Our whole world is based upon trying to make things stay, trying to keep things the way they are and by doing that, ironically, we destroy it.
Death is kept at a distance as far away as possible, health and youth are glorified. Fear of death is jealousy in relationships. Fear of death and fear of change are in reality synonymous. It does not matter when we die, or what happens when we die, it does not matter if we die, physically, fact is that things change, and the harder one tries to hold on to what is, the unhappier that person can only become.

Reincarnation, back-ups, promises - all the same: fear of change of death of everything organic, everything that is alive and moving.

[DaCuBaN]

I will live forever, or die trying

:lol: Classic :D

[rahul]

yes you are true every 1 going to die.

really die.

no rebirth and nothing!
even if you are great or good or....... you should die ..... you have to enjoy well in the life, as this is the only life , the only one.

[imperator]

Compared to the time we will not exist, life is just a matter of seconds. I don't know about you, but I would sure as hell do something usefull and interesting with the little period I have on Earth.

wise words. it would do men well to heed them.


you say death is inevitable. i say that nothing is inevitable, but probable. Death is most probable, as every organism that has ever existed has died. (to the knowledge of men). However, just because a foe has never been conquered before does not mean he cannot be conquered. ;)



as for my philosophy on death.. dont expect and afterlife. you can imagine and hope for a heaven, or rebirth, whatever. Just don't be so sure. cough*religion*cough

[DaCuBaN]

Compared to the time we will not exist, life is just a matter of seconds. I don't know about you, but I would sure as hell do something usefull and interesting with the little period I have on Earth.

What's 'useful' - is being a socialist useful? Why should we care about what happens to the other 'blips' in existence? Even our species appears to just be the tiniest moment in the scale of things, and our planet is just the same.

Guilt is not really valid for me. If you don't want to help - why bother?

[imperator]

yet we can be part of something that prolongue our species existence and influence over the general scheme of things.

[imperator]

yet we can be part of something that prolongue our species existence and influence over the general scheme of things.

prolong* :lol:

[The idealist]

Philosophy is debating without proof, so please do not call ANYONE "wrong".

A simple philosophy here (or is that belief): When you die, you go where ever you think you are going to go.
I don't truly believe it, but it is the best I have. You think you go to heaven, then you do so. Ditto hell. If you believe the place will be full of dames, then lucky you.

The best thing you can do is act on the only moral principle that everyone agrees on. Good is good, bad is bad.
And at the moment of death, I want to know that I did good in life. Thus assuring an entry card to the heaven of your choice, and in the case of there being no afterlife, I at least will have the warm satisfaction of a job well done.

Anything wrong with this belief? Anything true about this belief? No and no. But it is better than nothingness. Wanna believe? Believe in that.

After that meaningless babble I will let the discussion continue.

[imperator]

:o i like those churchill quotes

[CubanFox]

I'd refrain from quoting Winston Churchill too much. In 1919 he said "I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes [...] to spread a lively terror."

And he was also a great fan of eugenics. He wanted to sterilise more than 100,000 "degenerate British citizens".

Curious how people like him are glorified and people like Che are portrayed as evil.

[imperator]

because churchill might have had a few quirks, but he was the champion who fought off nazi evil so that his people could live on.

for that i shall always respect him. If a few of his opinions conflict with my own, that doesn't lessen him.

[Fabi]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 30 2004, 09:08 PM
Philosophy is debating without proof
Erm... That's interesting. Debating without proof? Sounds very pointless. Of course you do have a point, since most philosophy is just one idiot or another trying to make the world behave according to his ideas instead of just looking at the world the way it is... :rolleyes:

[RedAnarchist]

Philosophy is just a way of guessing how the sun and moon came to be, without needoing to involve any known fact. If we cannot prove something without facts, we philosophize.

My personal philosphy on death is that life is there to be lived, life is there to help all the living creatures in that life, and death is simply the night before the dawn, and we have no idea what the dawn will be like.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Philosophy is just a way of guessing how the sun and moon came to be, without needoing to involve any known fact. If we cannot prove something without facts, we philosophize.


Do you have any facts to back up that claim?

[RedAnarchist]

No, thats my philosophy which philosophizes about philosophy

[Subversive Pessimist]

It was a joke :)

[RedAnarchist]

I know. As was my post.

[Fabi]

I oppose all philosophy, then. ^^

[Famepollution]

Hmmm i dont get the point of this Thread. Are you saying Comrade Strawberry that once a communist reach a certain age they should become active in some sort of suicidal Guerilla clan and then die for there beliefs? What exactly would this achieve besides terrorism and opression by the american authorities.

now I would agree with you if the world was embroiled in a proleterian revolution against the capitalist powers but as of right now why should People of old age sacrifice there lives when they could possibly do more by living.

I guess its noble to die for something you stand for but often times It is rather Pointless.

[V.I.Lenin]

Philosophy comes from the Greek meaning 'love of wisdom' though in reality most philosophers are regarded as madmen,hence fools.

Philosophies for the most part tickle the ears but cannot fill the belly or save one person from dying,and death - nothing but an eternal dark silence without thought or possibility of being revived.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

What about food for the mind?

[Postteen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 07:42 AM





Sorry. Got it out a little wrong. There is nothing wrong with that, it's just that I think it's tragic for young people to die. :(

It is tragic,indeed!



I guess its noble to die for something you stand for but often times It is rather Pointless.

Totally!Why argue with a capitalist or a nazi?You'll never change their narrow mindness!


Philosophy comes from the Greek meaning 'love of wisdom' though in reality most philosophers are regarded as madmen,hence fools.

In ancient Greece they thought that philosophers were people too boring, and idiots.Aristophanes used to trick them in his works which I think are great!
(philosopher=someone who is friend of wisdom)

[Raisa]

Originally posted by New [email protected] 17 2004, 10:32 PM
Maybe this conciousness of yours is just a dream, and the all the talk of death is just your imagination, after all, you haven't died, so how do you know that you ever would?



Because he is a living thing and death is a quality of a living thing. Its part of life.

"death-nothing but an eternal dark silence without thought or possibility of being revived. "

What makes you even so certain this is the case if you no longer have a brain to perceive a dark silence with?

[huevo agrietado]

When you talk about existence concerning life and death, its all contingent on the perspective of others. People acknowledge you and accept that you are there. That is a little sparse, but what I am trying to get at is, because of this contingency, existence can extend beyond death through the memories of others.

What do people think on the issue of suicide?

It is justifiable by saying that its a right for the individual to express themselves?

Is it acceptable by the hurt that it causes?

Why is it against the law for the individual to express themselves how they want even if that expression is manifested through painful emotions and actions?

[Individual]

Philosophy comes from the Greek meaning 'love of wisdom' though in reality most philosophers are regarded as madmen,hence fools.

Philosophies for the most part tickle the ears but cannot fill the belly or save one person from dying,and death - nothing but an eternal dark silence without thought or possibility of being revived.

You do follow Marxism right? :huh:

I suppose then, by your logic, that Marx was in fact a fool.

What then would you consider your political ideology? Nothing but an eternal dark silence?

Can I now ask what you are doing here?

[Fabi]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 01:54 AM

You do follow Marxism right? :huh:

I suppose then, by your logic, that Marx was in fact a fool.

What then would you consider your political ideology? Nothing but an eternal dark silence?

Can I now ask what you are doing here?
Why does the end of ideology, the end of brainwashing lead to eternal dark silence? In fact that is what all ideology will always be, and why it will always fail to accomplish any real change.

What you are saying is an argument brought forward against existentialism, which has been defeated numerous times...

Only an idiot follows Marx.

[Individual]

What you are saying is an argument brought forward against existentialism, which has been defeated numerous times...

Which has been defeated numerous times... By me.

Know what you're dealing with before you speak. If you'd be willing to make an argument of attack that didn't infact contradict your own statement, I'd be more than willing to debate it with you.

Though because of the fact that your statement infact contradicted its own leaves me wondering what you think of yourself.

You go right ahead, you existential handbook you; re-read your post and find the existential contradiction in that one.

Only an idiot follows who? :huh:

[pandora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 01:02 AM

Seize every moment!

However, why not die for something you believe in, after living a good and normal life? The only difference between having our head blown off by American bullets, and dying by a heart attack is the different way of dying. The way of dying will not matter if it is instant, because you will not exist. Only the period in life is important.

I was thinking about this last night, and this is a good awareness I decided, sacrificing one's life if it will save others is good.

But needlessly sacrificing one's life without exploring options is stupid.

Marley said it best when he said, "He who fight and run away, live to fight another day."
Sometimes pulling back is better. Too many martyrs, we cry and wonder what they could have done to help us if they were alive, what would they think now?

Of course Buddhist Lamas and Native Shamans are apart from this because they have learned to control the dying process and use passing beyond as a tool to release great change, and control rebirth.The rest of us best be more careful.


No one of us knows how death is going to be. However, I doubt things would be "black", because black is a color we see, it's not a state of mind. Just because it gets black because you close your eyes doesn't mean it would be like that when you are dead. Most likely, there will be no colors. There will be nothing at all, because you do not exist.

Perhaps you should read the Tibetan Book of the Dead.
There are whole populations of Buddhist monks who can tell you the color related to each aspect of the winds leaving the body including white near attainment, black near attainment etc, these relate to the winds leaving each of the sense powers as the mind leaves the body.

Mre importantly what is death? We don't know, some do but they impart that it is an understanding which comes about through the inner development of the mind through meditation and rehearsing the dying process through imagination shutting down each of the sense powers in rehearsal, takes practice and belief and understanding that all that exists for you is what you are experiencing, and your experience is valid proof that things exist.

Descartes was lazy when he said "I think therefore I am"
What am "I"
What is thought
Where does it come from?
Even tattooed street kids debate these questions today, so understanding is increasing; although in reality the bohemians were always ahead of the curve.

If we understand the basis of reality is our experience of it and our experience is fact, is history then we can change history itself and our power over our reality becomes unstoppable. :ph34r:

[Rasta Sapian]

my philosophy on death is rather simple....... :blink:

live for the moment, keep your head up strait always looking ahead to the future.

life is short, so don't waste your time philothosizing about death.

live life to the edge, just don't to fall off,(in climbers vocab that means, where a damm harness)

p.s. i am not a climber, just a scrambler

anyway, have fun, make love not war, but if you do go to war make sure that you win, or at least don't get shot :P

ok yes, i am talking nonsense, yes diarrea of the mouth, please send your money order to postaholics annonymous

[The idealist]

There are infinite possibilities as to what we might see when we die. Total darkness? A white light?

Personally I am hoping like hell for naked women, and why not?

[Free Spirit]

Death is an end with a begging such as everything ells in existence. Death is maybe just like birth! What shall happen when we die or do we really die, is this life just a test before everything happens, do we go or do we stay in the ground vanish in the earth...I rather wont to believe that there is so much more then this, to believe that I shall not die instead it will just be a end of my time in this body, at this place...
But I agree...it's better to die fighting for at least for a change that will do well in this world but war never does any good to the human nation in anyways. Some would say war is stupid but I would rather say its creator is even more..."the Human, that's his name"... No one deserves to die in such a young age but we ask ourselves what do we see in death, which we never have seen. But do we know what life really is, what it means to exist?…It's funny we see life all the time but all we have is philosophy about it...will we ever know what death is when we die and see it?

[Major. Rudiger]

Well im going to say my two cents.

Death is not a good thing at all. Its is somthing that you are not sappouse to look foroward to. AT ALL. People like the goths who i think are complet idiot( i just want to kill all of them or jsut fight them all) . But i come from a christan family. But my self dont belive in all the beliefs so i dont fallow that religion that much. But i do take things from different religion and put them together. Becasue if you think about it......

TIME FOR A LESSON OF MY PHILOSOPHY
well i think that all religion are one religion. That all religion (that i mean to do good that DO ON TO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD WANT DONE TO YOU or somehitng like that i forgot it) That they all say that you should help each to make it a better world. But i hate these damn ignornitc christans waht think that they are the only right religion to go too. thats a bull crap. The thing im saying that any good religion that plays a good role in on this world what dosent bug me at all is ok with me.


well back to death
i belive in a spirit that is my little self that is me. But when i die i shall go to the next body that is a baby and start a new life. This might comfort me to think that i wont die and ill shall live for ever. i have some facts behind this

check out this site

http://paranormal.about.com/

red everything about sprits huntings and what not.

but to suicde i think that is a big NO NO. That no one shall kill them self to end there life becsaue it is not going as they planed it or they are just goths and thats what they want everyone to do. BUt you get into the japanesnse culture when it is ok to kill your self then to be captured. Well they can do what ever they want if its in there culture... and when its a great honour to do a harakele (<<<spelling?). well i have ntihgn against that.

[Kobbot 401]

People are like sheep being leat by the hurder, they will follow there leaders into death, no matter the age they are.

[Fabi]

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[Major. Rudiger]

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OMG proof read you replays please. that was the worst in yet.

[Fabi]

i dundno wuchamean. rerunsreplaysreplies

god,
pls drop the atom
flood on us we are in dire need for the end of all existence

long live blabla

<_<

[socialistfuture]

winston churchil is a wanker in my books - he was racist - he thought the genocide of non-white &#39;civilized&#39; peoples was ok because the west was of superior stock. i dont think there is much difference between that and nazism in belief.

yeah he rallied brits to fight hitler - hardly saved everyone. he wanted the ruling class to stay in powe. ww2 wasnt just about fighting fascism - it was rival imperialist powers battling it out for territory.

anyway about life and death - im not sure about an afterlife - so i will presume there is none. life is great - life sucks - its a million things - might as well enjoy it and really have a good look at what is out there and find things u love and get into them. for me politics is something i cant avoid - i am forever thinking about injustice - pollution - possible extinction - and things that can be done to make things better.

ure life is what u make it to a certain extent - at least give things a try. u dont choose ure beginning or the end but u have the in between (to use the phrase that is in a pearl jam song) - u can focus on whatever part u want and make whatever u want of something but in the end - u r ure own master. id rather make mistakes than do nothing.

[Rockfan]

though out history people hove wondered what the reason for life is. I think you make your own reason for life. Example, mabey your reason for life is to die fighting for what you belive in or mabey it&#39;s to have six kids and work in a dead-end job. But you can shange your reason for life at any time but what ever you die doing is your reason

[QUOTE] Know yor enamey, Know yourself, your victory will be total.

[caliban]

Before you say that it&#39;s ok to die fighting for something you believe in, consider one thing. The AQ who carried out 9/11 died for what they believe in. The 1000+ coalition forces died for what they believed in. The holocaust was ALL about what you believe in. Try to concentrate on giving you life for something not giving your death. When we give our deaths, all we get in return is a new chain of hate and ignorance. For some fucked up reason people see some kind of nobility to "fight the good fight". So tell me, who decides the good fights? Rawanda would have been a good fight. Where was the fight for nobility then? What is life and death about? I couldn&#39;t tell you, but life is looking alright so far. Don&#39;t really want to worry about death just yet. I&#39;m having too much fun living.

[Hiero]

Think of it as a computer game:
You can do whatever you want, but what you do will have consequenses while you play. It will affect your game. However, the game will not be over before it is, in fact, over.


Well thats wrong. Many games that have a good story will have mulitple video endings. Also some have extra for thoose who ended it in a certain.

[RageAgainstTheMachine]

philosophy on death is a hard subject to get to grips withs its like asking the meaning of life people just dont know. there isnt a anwser to it

[Free Spirit]

But then is there such a thing as dying and coming back to life after maybe 5-10 minutes, mentally by seeing whatever comes after death and physically by feeling it come? But could it be that these people were actually aware of death, seeing it and feeling it? Or is it so that they happen to not be alive with prove of that the heart stopped as well as everything ells without themselves knowing that they were actually dead&#33;.....(do they really experience death and come back?)

[Zingu]

Maybe this conciousness of yours is just a dream, and the all the talk of death is just your imagination, after all, you haven&#39;t died, so how do you know that you ever would?

If you can&#39;t accept that what you see is actually material reality, how can you say that anything is real at all? My view on death, life and everything is pretty short:

We are just like every other creature, a biological organism which has no "soul", we just have the gift of higher intelligence.

When we die, we&#39;re dead. Since our brain and nervous system decay, we cannot think, feel, do anything or even know we exist, so even if we are roasting in hell, we won&#39;t know it, since we have no nervous system or self awareness.

We are born from non-existance, live a short period of existance, then fall back into non-existance for the rest of time, I don&#39;t think its depressing, since we won&#39;t be self-aware, why do we care? We&#39;ll just be recycled back into the eco-system as matter.

Dieing will be just like all the years before you were born, remember those?

Simple, and usaully, the more simple it is, the more likely it is that it will work&#33;

[gaf]

death is the way to feel that you did live.
so live your life be good and you may enjoy this moment
because the day you die you will know that you don&#39;t know

[gaf]

and it is the only sure thing in life

[art_of_thought]

Death IS in fact inavoidable, but with that in mind, why do we take non-existance for granted? To me, my existance is just important as one of the presidents&#39; (or prime minister for some). im saying that the thought of not existing is actually more scary than just...dying. I refuse to believe that we as humans dont just diminish. there has to be something after. im not trying to have a religious debate, but its evident that there has to be something else. ghosts, "spirits," theyre all clues. I wish i could bring things like this to the surface but i have such a pre-occupied life. anyway, im not afraid to die, im just afraid of what comes next. I hope that there is an afterlife, but i dont actually know. the thought of just simply not existing anymore is the scariest part, and makes life seem as a coincidence, ( a.k.a Big Bang) which actually upsets me...

just a thought...

[Zingu]

Provonsha Paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provonsha_paradox)

[Tondbert]

Wow Zingu&#33; I&#39;m not a believer in any religion and didn&#39;t believe in any afterlife but that link you posted, really interesting. Thanks for that. I feel quite enlightened now. Suppose it just backed up what I already believed.
A couple of years ago when I was badly depressed I used to support the idea of my own suicide because although I would hurt people by doing this, I knew that I wouldn&#39;t know they were in pain..cause I&#39;d be dead and wouldn&#39;t be able to feel anything. After a while I found this view quite selfish and we must remember that after we die, other people will live on..unless theres an apocalypse of course.
I think it doesn&#39;t matter what you believe because you wont know that it hasnt happened once you die. Though I find it quite disturbing when Christians tell me how I&#39;m going to burn in Hell for not believing, which happened to me a couple of weeks back. Oh well.
Just be happy in life, do what you believe is right but respect other people. Try not to die with any regrets. Live for the moment. Carpe Diem.

[Zingu]

Hehe, when I came to this forums I was still clinging to deism, but when I decided to step back and look at religon subjectivily, I realized religon was just a byproduct of a evolving society, now these "spirituality" is ingrained in ourselves from brainwashing and conformity within society, if the Middle Easterns colonized America, we would all be worshipping Islam&#33; :lol:

These relivations or spiritual experinces that people have claimed to have do happen. But they have no supernatural abbributes, it turns out, from neurologic research, certain parts of your brain dealing with self-and-world perception and some senses will temporarily cease working, which gives this "spiritual experince" people have. :)


I found it easy to accept the cold reality of what death is. If we had souls, so would apes then also have souls? Its logical, we evolved from them, did we evolve souls,? No&#33; Souls don&#39;t exist, and that leaves us only with our material body, which decays upon death, leaving nothing&#33;

[leftist resistance]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 01:53 AM
Hehe, when I came to this forums I was still clinging to deism, but when I decided to step back and look at religon subjectivily, I realized religon was just a byproduct of a evolving society, now these "spirituality" is ingrained in ourselves from brainwashing and conformity within society, if the Middle Easterns colonized America, we would all be worshipping Islam&#33; :lol:


:huh: .....

[I want to be an anarchist.]

How can something cease to exist?

Isnt this just as silly as something coming into exitence out of nothing?

I personally belive death is not an end but a change. Death is the dispersal of one form of life into others.

Life is simply the eyes we see through, the mind we think with. It is in one way an illusion, although in saying that i could be counstrued as saying it lacks value.

Life does not lack value.

We are here to learn and think and understand, we are the universe trying to understand itself, but there is only so much one form of life can learn before it must change.

Death should be embraced, but only when the man with the scythe comes.

Man do i sound pretencious&#33; :lol:

Philosophy is a thinking excersice. It is not trying to make a point without proof. That is stupidity.

Although I make this statement without any proof...