How can we win? :(

[Subversive Pessimist]

We are so few. :huh:
They are so many. :(
They are being tricked into believing capitalism is good. :angry:
They have the people&#39;s support. The people support the system that keeps them down. <_<
I love communism :wub:
But most people don&#39;t, even if they know what communism really is.
The capitalists have the newspaper and media on their side. We have nothing. Only hope&#33;&#33;&#33; :cuba:
Our hope will survive, but not in most people&#39;s hearts.
They have warplanes, machine guns, heavy artillery and sniper rifles. We have our fists and our belief. Who will win? Our hope will not be crushed, but our bodies and our minds will. :(

How can we change the world? :(

[Pawn Power]

We are so few.
They are so many.
no, this is not true
you must remember it is not just a battle between communism and capitalism, it is a battle between classes, the working class vs the wealthy elite, and we out number them in that tremendously&#33;


But most people don&#39;t, even if they know what communism really is.
we must inform them&#33;



Who will win?
the prolatariat....eventually, it is the natural course of events



How can we change the world?
the working class will inevitably get fed up with capitalism and we can progress this by informing the working class about communism and the atrocities that occur under capitilism&#33;

[Subversive Pessimist]

you must remember it is not just a battle between communism and capitalism, it is a battle between classes, the working class vs the wealthy elite, and we out number them in that tremendously&#33;


The working class seem to enjoy being ***** slapped. Even if they know they are.



we must inform them&#33;

Inform 7 billion people? :rolleyes:
How are we supposed to do that?



the prolatariat....eventually, it is the natural course of events

This is blind faith. This is a religious-like sentence. You never know. So 5 proletarians take on a ski mask, run into the woods in America, and start shooting at a batallion of US marines. That would be a miserable failure.


the working class will inevitably get fed up with capitalism and we can progress this by informing the working class about communism and the atrocities that occur under capitilism&#33;

That sounds nice, but they are filled with apathy. They have work to do, children to take care of, homework, study, daily life. Even though they might like the idea, they want PROOF that a society like this will work, or even exist in their lifetime.

They don&#39;t like us. It&#39;s like a nazi coming towards you and saying: "Hey, nazism is 1337&#33;&#33;&#33;1" You wouldn&#39;t care, you would the person to go away, and you are not interested.

They don&#39;t make distinctions of nazism and communism. For them it&#39;s the same evil crap.

[The Feral Underclass]

Go and join a political movement and help them build. Thats how we win.

[Pawn Power]

Inform 7 billion people?
How are we supposed to do that?
you inform some and then some of those inform others and it continues to increase exponentially. I dont know what you think we should do, just sit on our asses and type on this forum? Come On&#33;&#33;


This is blind faith. This is a religious-like sentence.
read some Marx, its not faith its just human growth


So 5 proletarians take on a ski mask, run into the woods in America, and start shooting at a batallion of US marines. That would be a miserable failure.
i have no idea what you are talking about here.


That sounds nice, but they are filled with apathy.
It is not something that is going to happen in a day or even a month, it will take years and years.

They have work And their jobs and work will progress this even faster.

children to take care of
They can even teach their children about communsim while their taking care of them&#33;


They don&#39;t like us. It&#39;s like a nazi coming towards you and saying: "Hey, nazism is 1337&#33;&#33;&#33;1" You wouldn&#39;t care, you would the person to go away, and you are not interested.

They don&#39;t make distinctions of nazism and communism. For them it&#39;s the same evil crap.

this is the truth some times, but that doesent mean we shouldent try, it will take many years for people loss trust in our current way of life and they will seek for a solution and that solution will be communism&#33; We can progress this so capitalism falls by, like i said before, informing people not only about the solution but getting them angry and riled up against our current system of capitalsim.

i know were you are comming from, i know alot of people that arent racists or capitalist bastards but just dont want to here about communsim and i am hesitant to inform them alot of the times. It is easy for me to sit here and tell you this because you have some basic understanding of communism and i can think my ideas out before righting them down, but in real time life it is more difficult.

[dopediana]

YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO FUCKING END IT?

HERE&#39;S HOW:

TO STOP *****ING ABOUT HOW WE ARE SO FEW AND THEY ARE SO MANY AND MENTALLY INCAPACITATED ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD IN THREADS LIKE THESE AND ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE THREADS PEOPLE SUCH AS VALKYRIE AND MYSELF POST IN THE PRACTICE FORUM&#33;

enough of that self-defeating nihilistic bullshit. like that che-lives forum banner says "get up off your ass&#33;"

go to a fucking protest. pass out fucking flyers. ***** to your coworkers. all of us are going through the same existential crisis. take it elsewhere....

[Ian]

He&#39;s new, give him a fucking break

[dopediana]

my cash register raked in over 7,000 dollars today. i got 52 dollars of it. that&#39;s nothing at all. that&#39;s about .007 of what they made off my labor. (probably some shoddy math on my part but it&#39;s vile&#33;)
and then as i was about to leave and counting out my bills in the office the front end manager amanda comes in and tells me to go in the corner and that that&#39;s wher ei&#39;m supposed to stand. i said "ok, but all the other managers have let me stand there which is why i was there at all." and she said "well, they&#39;v eprobably been smoking crack."
i was so tempted to say "well, you evidently haven&#39;t. and you should." but i was a bit afraid that she would get the double entendre, seeing as she weighs probably 250 pounds. now thinking back on it, she was probably too stupid...

[Ian]

Um... k...

[Ian]

I took muffins from work, anyone want some?

[The Ranting Radical]

u win by startin an organizatoin like the CGLM or sumthin like guerrilla television
to inform lots of ppl yeah quit *****in

[SonofRage]

:D

[The Ranting Radical]

well said SonofRage

[The Feral Underclass]

Pick one&#33;

Anarkistføderasjonen i Norge (http://www.anarchy.no/afin.html)

Norges Kommunistiske Parti (http://www.nkp.no/)

There is also another group called the Red Electoral Alliance (Rød Valgallianse) but I cant find a website that works and the one I did find hadnt been updated since September 2002.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Awww... Thanks. That&#39;s really nice of you :)

Do you speak Norwegian?

[The Feral Underclass]

Nej&#33; but I lived in denmark for a good while..I&#39;ve been to Lillehammer skiing in the winter&#33; Beautiful country&#33; like a picture card.

So, which one did you pick?

[Subversive Pessimist]

I see :D
Lillehammer. I live... around 15 miles from there.
Denmark is beautiful.... The beaches... God, it&#39;s beautiful. :) Where do you live now?

Norges Kommunistiske Parti has more info, depth, analysis etc. They seem serious, good material on their website, too. :)

I&#39;ll contact them when I&#39;m going home. Right now I&#39;m in Sweden.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by The Ranting [email protected] 18 2004, 08:00 AM
u win by startin an organizatoin like the CGLM or sumthin like guerrilla television
to inform lots of ppl yeah quit *****in
Yes, participating in a sect, which has no links to the workers really helps.

[The Feral Underclass]

I live in Mozambique now, or at least for the next 6 weeks&#33; Then back to England.

yes, denmark is a very beautiful country, it has a soft spot in my heart that place&#33; I miss it very much.

Bad choice by the way :P

[Subversive Pessimist]

Hehe&#33; :P

We&#39;ll see. ;)

[eyedrop]

Don&#39;t join the RV party (rød valgallianse) at least their&#39;e ranked as the 2nd most authorian significant party in Norway, behind the right wing party FRP. But the Norges Kommunistiske Parti is even worse if I don&#39;t remember wrong.


I was in Denmark for 3 weeks ago at 2 festivals and I must say I don&#39;t like danish nature compared to Norwegean. One of the festival was an Anarchist Festival in København. It really rocked.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Don&#39;t join the RV party (rød valgallianse) at least their&#39;e ranked as the 2nd most authorian significant party in Norway, behind the right wing party FRP. But the Norges Kommunistiske Parti is even worse if I don&#39;t remember wrong.


The bourgeousie want us to believe anything. How can they rank the party as the 2nd most authoritarian party, when their ultimate goal is a stateless society?

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 12:45 AM
YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO FUCKING END IT?

HERE&#39;S HOW:

TO STOP *****ING ABOUT HOW WE ARE SO FEW AND THEY ARE SO MANY AND MENTALLY INCAPACITATED ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD IN THREADS LIKE THESE AND ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE THREADS PEOPLE SUCH AS VALKYRIE AND MYSELF POST IN THE PRACTICE FORUM&#33;

enough of that self-defeating nihilistic bullshit. like that che-lives forum banner says "get up off your ass&#33;"

go to a fucking protest. pass out fucking flyers. ***** to your coworkers. all of us are going through the same existential crisis. take it elsewhere....
Diana I love you.

Thanks for giving me hope for humanity.

[eyedrop]

Don&#39;t automaticly blame the bourgouise for everything that don&#39;t fit in with your personal views. It can be a stupid habit.

"STØTT FOLKEBEVEGELSEN FOR

VALGBOIKOTT AV Fr.p, RV OG

ANDRE AUTORITÆRE" (support the peoples movement of boikott of FRP, RV and others authorians)

http://www.anarchy.no/kommun03.html (know it&#39;s a very biased source but blame other biases sometimes not only the bourgoise)



The bourgeousie want us to believe anything. How can they rank the party as the 2nd most authoritarian party, when their ultimate goal is a stateless society?

Stalin couldn&#39;t be authorian because he fought for a stateless society? Beside I read lightly trough their party programme from 2000 and I couldn&#39;t find any parts about a stateless society, only about equalizing classes.

[Kurai Tsuki]

I suppose it wouldn&#39;t hurt to start small and become involved in the political process, but that might lead to having some of your values decreased, like Leftists who support John Kerry <_<

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by Kurai [email protected] 27 2004, 08:30 PM
I suppose it wouldn&#39;t hurt to start small and become involved in the political process, but that might lead to having some of your values decreased, like Leftists who support John Kerry <_<
I Say that we should form a new kind of Global Communist Organization
based on the structure RedStar2000 outlined sometime ago. Lately there
has been calls to Unite the Communist Movement - a Global Communist
Coalition based on a non-hierarchial form would be the best way to do
that.

[Hawker]

If you want to do something about it here&#39;s what I&#39;d do:

Join a nations military,rise up the ranks to a respectable position such as a colonel,then when the time is ripe rebel and take over the country,it&#39;ll take all your skills as a military commander and politician to pull off the revolution though,if you&#39;re lucky you won&#39;t have to do that much.

[Subversive Pessimist]

That&#39;s pretty clever. Thanks :D

[socialistfuture]

remind u of anyone?

seems coups that fail can be be useful - july 26 - helped fidel. chavez was part of a failed coup and he later got elected in.

[Hawker]

If you&#39;re really planning a revolution in the near future then I suggest you start reading up on military classics.I&#39;ve been reading classics for years.Here&#39;s a site where you can read some:

www.bellum.nu

[ylayali]

i dont really understand.im new(obviously)if your a communist or an anarachist why do you have a job or pay taxes? im not trying to be rude or demand explanations im just asking questions.
personally i dont think the working class will ever rise up.our culture is too obsessed with material things and the hope that they too will be rich one day.most working class people would stop *****ing the second you give them a gucci handbag or lakers tickets.

[commiecrusader]

your a communist or an anarachist why do you have a job or pay taxes?
we do so because in a capitalist society you dont have much choice. if you dont pay taxes youll be locked up where you cant do jack, and its pretty much difficult to organise a revolution from the streets. just because we fit into the capitalist machine at the moment doesnt mean we agree with it and when the time is right it will be broken. people still have to jobs in a communist society though lol.

personally i dont think the working class will ever rise up.our culture is too obsessed with material things and the hope that they too will be rich one day.most working class people would stop *****ing the second you give them a gucci handbag or lakers tickets.
you could be right but i personally wouldn&#39;t accept an eternity of capitalism for a handbag (being a bloke) or tickets to any event of any kind. with education and exposure to the alternative, hopefully beliefs like ours and others will become widely held and no-one will accept capitalism whatever the bourgeoisie offer.

[gaf]

if you believe in it ishould&#39;nt be a problem. just stay yourself.

[Essential Insignificance]

I Say that we should form a new kind of Global Communist Organization
based on the structure RedStar2000 outlined sometime ago. Lately there
has been calls to Unite the Communist Movement - a Global Communist
Coalition based on a non-hierarchial form would be the best way to do
that.

Yes, I&#39;m in agreement. Redstar2000&#39;s ideas of revolutionary organization, are, I think, what is needed.

For those who aren&#39;t familiar, check out:


A New Communist Paradigm for the 21st Century (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082736509&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

SDS: A Revolutionary Model? (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082819073&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 02:51 PM
If you want to do something about it here&#39;s what I&#39;d do:

Join a nations military,rise up the ranks to a respectable position such as a colonel,then when the time is ripe rebel and take over the country,it&#39;ll take all your skills as a military commander and politician to pull off the revolution though,if you&#39;re lucky you won&#39;t have to do that much.
dude.... THAT&#39;S BRILLIANT.

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 07:07 AM
:D
this shirt got mention in the australian news (part of the anti-NRC news)

[Guest_gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 10:09 AM
If you&#39;re really planning a revolution in the near future then I suggest you start reading up on military classics.I&#39;ve been reading classics for years.Here&#39;s a site where you can read some:

www.bellum.nu
reading is one thing fighting is an other
but book don&#39;t tell you how....
jonny goes to war

[Hawker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 11:14 PM
reading is one thing fighting is an other
but book don&#39;t tell you how....
jonny goes to war
Indeed,but these books...will help Jonny win the War.

[Hawker]

Originally posted by The wise old [email protected] 5 2004, 08:47 AM
dude.... THAT&#39;S BRILLIANT.
What?

Like nobody here has ever thought of that before,because that would be the obvious course.

[cormacobear]

I didn&#39;t read this whole thread. THE KEY TO THE REVOLUTON IS in the new testament the one overiding theme is the poor are good and are meant to rule and the rich are bad. The poor of the world already beleive. USE THE CHURCH TO TELL THEM Jesus&#39; message.
it&#39;s the easiest route.

[gag]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 04:54 AM
Indeed,but these books...will help Jonny win the War.
exepte if the guy doesn&#39;t have limbs anymore

[Hawker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 08:13 PM
exepte if the guy doesn&#39;t have limbs anymore
You don&#39;t need limbs to win a war.

[Guest_gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 09:06 PM
You don&#39;t need limbs to win a war.
i know just bomb but to read a book it is an other matter&#33;

[Mr. Cleaver]

Nothing happens while fear controls you. "It&#39;s only when you&#39;ve lost everything that you&#39;re free to do anything." Who&#39;s ready to finish what Durden started? Think about it. Let me know.

[Hawker]

I have no fear when it comes to war.That is when I&#39;m most alive.

[socialistfuture]

personally i dont want to get armed and take the militant thing to the next stage - a guerilla war and wherever that would lead.

first u need to get people thinking - k maybe they dont like communism or anarchism - point out bad parts of capitalism - ppl starve - lots of ppl are poor (inequality) - capitalisms wars - the destruction of the enviroment - lack of democracy - lack of say in what the govt does... etc

then point out historic differences people have made by movements eg - civil rights movement - the ending of apartheid in the US and south africa - the ending of the vietnam war - etc read up on difference groups/ppl have made.

after getting ppl into debate - tell them about different groups.

be active - take part in demos - actions - activities - if there is no anti war/anti whatever group in ure area set one up.

make fliers/posters - art - films - or get hold of stuff other people have done - get ides out into the public.

read - learn - teach.

there are so many things we can do to make this world better - revolution isn&#39;t always fast and armed - we need to be ready for whatever is ahead of us - many methods to fight many problems - we will find our allies along the way.

most of all dont give up - together we can do anything - what is there to loose?