A stupid question....

[The Forum Idiot]

Would there be any real personal gain in a fully communist regime? I mean, everyone does their share how they can and everyone gets what they need, but could those who do more than arguably their fair share get more leisure things? E.g. A doctor heals people and gets what he needs to survive, a teacher teahces people and gets what he needs to survive, but if someone did both jobs (I know its impossible in practice, but this is just an example), could he recieve what he needs and maybe more food or more things such as computers/TVs/games consoles/etc.?

[Guerrilla22]

There would be personal gain in that your employment status would al'ways be secure, you would have health care provided to you and your education would also be free. However a large part of the communist ideology is that individualism must be eliminated, the goal of communism is to make sociert as a whole gain, rather than one certain indivivdual, which is the way capitalism works.

[The Forum Idiot]

Okie Dokie, Thanx for the help.

[Ian]

There would also be the freedom for you to achieve your full potential, without regards to age, sex, status, class, property, how much sweat-shop produced shit you own, penis size, breast size, how fast your car is etc etc...

Arguably the greatest benefit communism will bring to humanity.

[Fidelbrand]

Personal gains I guess can be in terms of
physical <Our basic instinct to adore beautiful things of the nature> (hmmm.... e.g. sports, natural beauty not commodified, etc..),
spiritual (knowledge, morality, personality, etc.)
and
less and less of personal material superiorities (as Ian said "how fast is your car?", also "oh you are wearing the newest edition of Prada&#39;s shoes?? wow&#33;&#33; wow&#33;&#33;" etc..)

[The Forum Idiot]

Sounds kind of Buddhist in a way forsaking physical gains for much more spiritual and non material gains...

[Ian]

I can&#39;t say I know enough about Buddhism to say whether communism is a kind of buddhism, but Communism has nothing to do with spiritualism, or any other kind of mysticism. Communism is deeply rooted in matter, not &#39;the soul&#39; or &#39;gods&#39; or that sort of bullshit, and the reality of society.

[The Forum Idiot]

I never said it was buddhist I mean it sounds similar to the buddhist idea where possessions were worthless. In every other way they are different. But that possession thing is similar. And for the record, Buddhism has no god. At least not true Buddhism.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 17 2004, 07:18 AM
Would there be any real personal gain in a fully communist regime? I mean, everyone does their share how they can and everyone gets what they need, but could those who do more than arguably their fair share get more leisure things? E.g. A doctor heals people and gets what he needs to survive, a teacher teahces people and gets what he needs to survive, but if someone did both jobs (I know its impossible in practice, but this is just an example), could he recieve what he needs and maybe more food or more things such as computers/TVs/games consoles/etc.?
A Real Communist Society would be without government, Without Classes,
Where there would be True Freedom. Everyone would get their fair Share
and they will receive the fruits of their Labor. In Short - Communism would
be the True Liberation of all mankind.

[The Forum Idiot]

I kinda get that....but if there was no government who would control the people? People would be violent, even with no reason to be so.

[Hate Is Art]

Now then, this is the tricky bit when trying to imgaine what society would be like under Communism.

Communism is a completly different from how we live now, these two models of society are incompatible and can&#39;t be pushed, moulded or joined together. A larger chance is needed to progress which would result in a change in society. This is the Class Struggle.

The working class will rise up in a revolution and seize the means of production (factorys etc) and throw out the bourgeois (land owners, factory owners) and the aristocrats and set about creating a Communist society without the almost rigid caste and class system we live in now.

Tell me, do you believe in nature or nurture? Are we all natrualy crazy phsyco&#39;s who given half a chance to kill, maim and slaughter will do so? Or is it the Capitilist Society that we live in that brings out these traits (not specificialy killing, maiming and phsycopathia) and utilises greed for profit and creates human suffering?

Once the Proletariat (the urban workers) seizes control the society of greed and consumerism will dissapear and be replaced with the utopian Communist society.

[monkeydust]

I personally resent the implication that Communism is utopian. It&#39;s merely better than what we have today, at least I think so.



I kinda get that....but if there was no government who would control the people? People would be violent, even with no reason to be so.

A fair question. Theres&#39; no single definitive answer to it, but I can give you a few.

First it should be noted that much crime is actually a result of capitalism itself. There would be little reason to steal, for instance if one was reasonably well off. I would expect crime or violence as a means to advance one&#39;s social position or material wealth would be extremely rare, as Communism, unlike Capitalism, does not nurture and actively reward self-striving acts.

Despite this, it would be absurd to preetend that there will be no crime. In order to deal with crime I expect that either, "the people" will deal with it themselves, or some kind of limted policing authority will be set up on a local basis, with limited powers. There will definately not, however, be any kind of central policing body.

[Hate Is Art]

Do you mean like Vigiliantes? I don&#39;t think that system of Justice could work at all, you would get bulling and power looneys abusing any kind of responsibilty vested upon them and their cronies. The nighttime knock on the door scenario.

Maybe a judge and jury system? I don&#39;t see whats so flawed in it exept maybe the need for firm laws which could be interpreated as a state. But if each local borough decides it&#39;s own guidelines and votes on what should be done I can see no harm.