Should capitalists be shot?

[Subversive Pessimist]

Before, I was against the idea, but after discussing with them several days on capitalist forums, I don't have much against it.
They don't care about the poor. They would rather starve them to death then to sacrifice a bread in order to let them live. The only thing they care about is their own well being. They don't give a shit about anyone else. I'd say shoot them, at least the most fanatical ones.

[Stapler]

Only those guilty of gross exploitation.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Come get some any time, sucka... If you shoot the way you think, I'm not worried.

Oh, I'm sorry, you would actualy need a successful revolutionin the 1st place.

Good luck, LOL

[bunk]

:D lo no that would leave only about 1% of the society. Most people are capitalists if you hadn't noticed.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I know. But shooting people like Capitalist Imperial, or Danton. That is what I'm talking about. Some rich people don't know that what they are doing is wrong. However, Capitalist Imperial "know's" what capitalism is all about.

[Fidelbrand]

Shoot Danton!!?? what the hell are you talking about Justice?

[Ortega]

What's all this against Danton?!

He just said that he wasn't entirely supportive of either side, he didn't go and do anything so awful! Why not focus your attention on "100% red-blooded capitalist Americans"?

And why not me? I've expressed similar sentiments with regards to my economic views.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 08:05 PM
I know. But shooting people like Capitalist Imperial, or Danton. That is what I'm talking about. Some rich people don't know that what they are doing is wrong. However, Capitalist Imperial "know's" what capitalism is all about.
What a player-hater.

[gummo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 08:05 PM
I know. But shooting people like Capitalist Imperial, or Danton. That is what I'm talking about. Some rich people don't know that what they are doing is wrong. However, Capitalist Imperial "know's" what capitalism is all about.
Hey CI, I wonder how much of your income has went into feeding these people that you 'hate'.

I would bet that you have supplied more money than Mr. Red has.

One more thing, it's the capitalist that have closets full of firearms and ammo.

Come get some!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:25 PM
Hey CI, I wonder how much of your income has went into feeding these people that you 'hate'.

I would bet that you have supplied more money than Mr. Red has.

One more thing, it's the capitalist that have closets full of firearms and ammo.

Come get some!
Well said, sir. I wholeheartedly concur.

And your avatar rules, man that is funny.

[synthesis]

All reactionaries must be suppressed to the fullest extent necessary.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

This thread is retarded. Only a stalin kiddie would ask that sort of question.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 06:26 PM
This thread is retarded. Only a stalin kiddie would ask that sort of question.
Why?

Stalin wasn't the only socialist who attacked reactionaries. The anarchists in Spain did it, too.

The purpose of asking the question? I think it's rather obvious: the modern left is infested with a strain of moral pacifism that I'm sure you have encountered.

[fernando]

DEATH TO IMPERIALISM! :D

[Loknar]

It would only make sense to shoot us. If we stay around we will pollute the society. Mush like ink in water.

[mark_d]

I'm new here, but i would still feel bad if you didn't kill me too.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Revolutionary thought should be promoted, and reactionary thought should be exposed, not silenced. I agree that many big time capitalists are guilty of crimes against humanity and should be punished accordingly, but executing people because of their ideas is brutal and grossly unnecessary.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 02:44 PM
:D lo no that would leave only about 1% of the society. Most people are capitalists if you hadn't noticed.
What a weird thing to say. :blink:

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[Pawn Power]

Before, I was against the idea, but after discussing with them several days on capitalist forums, I don't have much against it.
They don't care about the poor. They would rather starve them to death then to sacrifice a bread in order to let them live. The only thing they care about is their own well being. They don't give a shit about anyone else. I'd say shoot them, at least the most fanatical ones.

Most people in those forums arent real capitalist, in a applied sence. However alot of them are racists and fascists, which is a different reason to kill them. What i mean is that a majority of them are not bosses or owners of compainies and do not have people working under them that they are exploting. They are just pawns in the enormous capitalst machine and they are not in the small percent of assholes that are running it. Like Capitalist Imperial, he might not be a applied capitalist he is just stupid and racist.
They do strangly however support cappitsalism which in a none applied sence make them capitalsits. Some of them can be changed because some of them are , you might not belive this, in the working class. They are just brianwashed by school, parents, media, ex.. into their current capitalist ideas. But yes some of they might be engaged capitalists and some of them might wholeheardly support capitialsim and they just might need , in your words , to be shot.





lo no that would leave only about 1% of the society. Most people are capitalists if you hadn't noticed.

same goes for you

[bunk]

I know?? That's why it's a stupid idea just cause people are brainwashed by a system doesn't mean it's their fault????????????????????????????????????

[Subversive Pessimist]

I didn't think of those who use the system, but those who promote it (conservatives etc). I guess you're right. It's better to expose their cruelty, rather then shoot them. But it would be satisfying shooting those assholes, seeing their blood dripping from the wall. Don't forget they support a system that kills millions each year.

[RedCeltic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 02:44 PM
:D lo no that would leave only about 1% of the society. Most people are capitalists if you hadn't noticed.
Belief in a market economy, lack of class conciousness, or.. belief in the "American Dream" is not being a capitalist.

A capitalist is an investor of capital in business, especially one having a major financial interest in an important enterprise.

[Guerrilla22]

Only those guilty of crimes against humanity should be shot, note that in Cuba they didn't just shoot anyone they thought was a capitalist or a supporter of the Batista regime, they shot those who were guilty of committing atrocities against the Cuban people. With that said, capitalist should be sent to re-education camps, similar to those used by the Chinese and Vietnamese.

[Daniel Karssenberg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 10:47 PM
Only those guilty of crimes against humanity should be shot, note that in Cuba they didn't just shoot anyone they thought was a capitalist or a supporter of the Batista regime, they shot those who were guilty of committing atrocities against the Cuban people. With that said, capitalist should be sent to re-education camps, similar to those used by the Chinese and Vietnamese.
First you say they shouldn't be murdered then you want them to be forced to re-education camps. Practically that is a contradiction.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I would even say that re-education camps are excessive. I say people who participated in capitalist activities (owning/operating a large corporation) prior to the revolution should be given the opportunity to renouce their capitalist ways and start their life over again as a worker like everyone else. People who are simply right-wing should just be humilated, let them talk and debate (but not distrubute any form of mass media), why not give them the noose that they can hang themselves with? People who take action against the revolutionary state however, should be treated as prisonsers/casualties of war.

[Invader Zim]

Only if they have committed some major crime against the people.

If they were shot, then we would be as bad as the Nazi's.

[Y2A]

"The enemy of the people" must be shot!

[RedCeltic]

I look at it like this. Workers going on strike are sort of mini battles in the war against the bosses and their rotting system. No strike has ever been won by a boss, it's always been lost by the workers due to lack of solidarity.

Workers who cross the picketline or take up arms against their fellow worker to support the bosses cause is a traitor to his class.

The bosses, or "Capitalists" are nothing without their willing slaves, so I wouldn't pay them much mind..

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I look at it like this. Workers going on strike are sort of mini battles in the war against the bosses and their rotting system. No strike has ever been won by a boss, it's always been lost by the workers due to lack of solidarity.

I take it you have never tried to organize a labor movement against Wal-Mart RedCeltic? You know that not one of their thousands of stores is unionized? I used to work there and I tried to secretly get people to join a union. Out of 300+ employees, I succeeded in getting 2 people to join the IWW before some bastard either heard what I was doing, or I tried recruiting them and the ratted me out and the company came up with a bullshit reason to fire me (in Florida, a worker can be fired with or without reason, and Wal-Mart workers must sign a contract that does not allow them to sue or take part in a lawsuit). They make workers watch anti-union movies as well as have them do anti-union courses over their computers. They could fire everyone there and have the entire place restaffed the next day because there are so many unemployed people or people with even worse jobs (they do exist). All the solidarity in the world couldn't fight that company, and to say its our fault is not placing the blame on the people who deserve it. It's capitalists and corrupt politicians that are defeating the labor movement, not us who you accuse of lacking solidarity.

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 10:30 PM
Belief in a market economy, lack of class conciousness, or.. belief in the "American Dream" is not being a capitalist.

A capitalist is an investor of capital in business, especially one having a major financial interest in an important enterprise.
i think it is because if they supported the capitalist then they would probably reject the new society and rebel or would have fought against ithe revolution so they might not be apitalists but they don't want to participate in a communist society.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Daniel [email protected] 17 2004, 11:21 PM
First you say they shouldn't be murdered then you want them to be forced to re-education camps. Practically that is a contradiction.
<_< Contradictary how? I said that we shouldn&#39;t just go arond shooting misguided individuals, such as yourself, that we should take measures to undo the train of thought that had been pounded into their heads by capitalist society and give them a chance to become productive members of society.

[Daniel Karssenberg]

What&#39;s your viewpoint on being productive? Re-education camps like in China and Vietnam ar oppressive labour camps where humiliation and torture were every day&#39;s business.

[Guerrilla22]

Yes and you would know how they were because you were at one right?

[Daniel Karssenberg]

No I wasn&#39;t but due to the fact I live in a somewhat developed society, I have access to information...
Were you at one then? If not according to your statement above you shouldn&#39;t be judging either. It is a very easy way for you to refuse to accept anything which is not very pro-Communist isn&#39;t it?

[Guerrilla22]

That&#39;s not the point, you are claimming that re-education camps were places of torture and yet, you don&#39;t know, the only evidence you have its what the western media decided to tell you. If the media tokd you that the world was flat would you believe them also?

[Daniel Karssenberg]

No, because there are enough reasons and evidence and truth that claims the opposite that the earth is flat.
Anyway if you&#39;ve so much hatred towards my society, why dont you-all move to Cuba instead eh?

[Guerrilla22]

America: love it or leave it, I hate that redneck saying, D.K., you need to be sent to a re-education camp ASAP&#33;

[Roses in the Hospital]

What&#39;s your viewpoint on being productive? Re-education camps like in China and Vietnam ar oppressive labour camps where humiliation and torture were every day&#39;s business.

I don&#39;t know if this is still how they do things in China, but it certainly used to be at one point: Those found to be harbouring capatalist, or gratuotously westernised, opinions would be sent for six month spells working the fields with the peasents. When they realised how much better off they were than their counterparts there would rarely be any more trouble from them. I know there&#39;s some issues about a supposedly Socialist country being able to use a re-education system based on inequality, but as a way of dealing with &#39;counter-revolutionaries&#39; you must admit that it is effective...

[Daniel Karssenberg]

America: love it or leave it, I hate that redneck saying, D.K., you need to be sent to a re-education camp ASAP&#33;
I am not a Redneck, nor am I American. It is just that most people here talk more about idealistic dreams and how bad this world is, rather than to come with realistic changes.


but as a way of dealing with &#39;counter-revolutionaries&#39; you must admit that it is effective...

yes but is it very humane? You force people to work.

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by Daniel [email protected] 18 2004, 11:40 AM

Anyway if you&#39;ve so much hatred towards my society, why dont you-all move to Cuba instead eh?
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/art/cherrytree.gif

[CubanFox]

If I were to somehow find myself head of the revolutionary junta that has just stormed the presidential palace, I would first put the capitalists in question into one of two classes.

Class #1 would be the very worst of society, the tyrant we just toppled, the chief of the secret police, all the former bigwigs, the CEOs of the huge multinationals.

They die as soon as we figure out where they are hiding.

Class #2 would be the others, including but not limited to those who were on the boards of Fortune 500 companies, former government agents, people who had fought against the revolution, and anyone who had belonged to any BNPesque organisation prior to the revolution.

People in this category are simply thrown onto trains/ships and shuttled out of the country as fast as we can get them out.

Anyone who wishes to leave along with them is more than welcome.

I would not build "reeducation" camps. The entire concept is repugnant, and they usually degrade into Birkenau type affairs where lunatic commandants take out their sadistic tendancies on the inmates.

[Roses in the Hospital]

yes but is it very humane? You force people to work.

The only work these people are doing is exactly the same as the Chinese peasents do everyday of there lives. Admitadely it&#39;s hard work, and will seem much harder to those who are not used to it. Which is the entire point of the exercise.
Remember too that the Chinese peasents are 10 times better off now than they ever have been, and generally are happy with there lot, so it cannot be said that they are being treated inhumanely...

[Daniel Karssenberg]

Still you FORCE people to work, I call that SLAVERY


Remember too that the Chinese peasents are 10 times better off now than they ever have been, and generally are happy with there lot, so it cannot be said that they are being treated inhumanely...

Right now any benefits the Chinese population is getting is due to the freer market...

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Class #1 would be the very worst of society, the tyrant we just toppled, the chief of the secret police, all the former bigwigs, the CEOs of the huge multinationals.

They die as soon as we figure out where they are hiding.

Life in prison is a little better IMO.


Class #2 would be the others, including but not limited to those who were on the boards of Fortune 500 companies, former government agents, people who had fought against the revolution, and anyone who had belonged to any BNPesque organisation prior to the revolution.

People in this category are simply thrown onto trains/ships and shuttled out of the country as fast as we can get them out.

Where exactly will you put them? Deporting the Jews was the original plan of the nazis, but most countries have immigration laws and will not accept your deportees.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 12:00 AM
Where exactly will you put them? Deporting the Jews was the original plan of the nazis, but most countries have immigration laws and will not accept your deportees.
A good question.

I&#39;m sure we could negotiate a deal with a country in need of a labour force, perhaps with Russia. I&#39;m sure a few thousand more labourers in Kamchatka couldn&#39;t hurt. And after all, they&#39;d be condemned to live what they had force our workers to live through&#33; A perfect solution. :redstar2000:

[James]

should they be shot?
No.

They should be made to work/live in the areas of life affected by them. Then they can learn the devestation that they helped.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Shoudl capitalists be shot?, After the revolution

I was thinking we could put them in some kind of gulag, we could call it "political re-education."

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 10:30 PM
Belief in a market economy, lack of class conciousness, or.. belief in the "American Dream" is not being a capitalist.

A capitalist is an investor of capital in business, especially one having a major financial interest in an important enterprise.
You&#39;re part right, RC, but the definition is more broad than that.

Check your dictionary, or dictionary.com. Anyone who even supports capitalism is a capitalist. Often times leftists try to de-legitimize the pro-Caps on this board by stating that "we are not real capitalists anyway". Noting could be further from the truth:

From Dictionary.com:

cap·i·tal·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kp-tl-st)
n.
A supporter of capitalism.
An investor of capital in business, especially one having a major financial interest in an important enterprise.
A person of great wealth.



capitalist

adj 1: of or relating to capitalism or capitalists; "a capitalist nation"; "capitalistic methods and incentives" [syn: capitalistic] 2: favoring or practicing capitalism [syn: capitalistic] [ant: socialistic] n 1: an advocate of capitalism [syn: rugged individualist] 2: a person who invests capital in a business (especially a large business)


Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University


Several of these definitions apply to capitalists on this board.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 02:12 PM
And after all, they&#39;d be condemned to live what they had force our workers to live through&#33; A perfect solution. :redstar2000:
Yeah, right, forced

sorry, sir, but forced labor is more a consituent of applied communism.

[Subversive Pessimist]

They should be made to work/live in the areas of life affected by them. Then they can learn the devestation that they helped.


Good idea.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 04:21 PM

I was thinking we could put them in some kind of gulag, we could call it "political re-education."
Renaming slavery as "re-education" isn&#39;t going to turn a concentration camp into a school. Here we see the beginnings of a Stalinist dictatorship.

[Misodoctakleidist]

That was the idea, I hope you realise that I was joking.

[Daniel Karssenberg]

How should we know, most self-Claimed revolutionaries here couldn&#39;t care less to see me (and most surely Moneybags) to go to a re-education camp.

[redstar2000]

I&#39;m against compulsory labor, prisons, etc....not because it would be unpleasant for our class enemies, but because of the effects it would have on us. We do not want a big police/prison complex...we&#39;ve seen what that leads to.

Exile would be, by far, the most humane option...but there are both logistical and political problems.

For a country like the United States, we might be talking 10 to 20 million exiles. That&#39;s a lot of people to move.

Secondly, by the time the U.S. has had a proletarian revolution, much of the world might also be on the road to communism...and will not wish to serve as our ideological toxic-waste dump.

I suggest three groups for which summary execution might be most appropriate:

1. High officials in the old regime, especially those in "law enforcement" (repression) agencies.

2. Lower-level government personnel who can be directly associated with infamous crimes, torture, etc.

3. Prominent ideologues for the old regime -- the Rush Limbaugh types.

The capitalist class as a whole will be summarily deprived of their wealth and prestige...they&#39;ll be at the bottom of every list. Every city, in fact, might have a capitalist "barrio"...a shanty-town for the former elite. As soon as is practical, we&#39;ll take their kids as well...there&#39;s no reason to punish the kids for the "sins of their fathers".

I think there will other scattered executions. Sadistic bosses are obvious candidates, as are violent criminals. But I expect this to be sporadic.

Active counter-revolutionaries can expect, of course, their usual fate.

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[Anti-Prophet]

Executing people because they disagree with your politics is barbaric. I think during Socialism, when the bourgeoisie no longer have a monopoly on the economy and have been assimilated into the proletariat class, the proletariat who still believe they would be better off in capitalism (or fascism) should be treated like everyone else and be allowed to organize parties, participate in politics, have access to mass media and if the anarchist/communist/socialist parties are allowed to organise militias then so should they. As long as they dont take illegal or violent action against the proletariat state. If their militias start a revolt against the state then we will have to depend on our hopefully larger militias to defeat them. We should have nothing to fear from the capitalists if the masses support the socialist state. If the masses, for some reason, become capitalist then so be it. We wont be able to claim its because they&#39;ve been brainwashed or they are just ignorant since (unlike today) the capitalist parties will not have a monopoly on the mass media and they will not have access to unlimited economic resources. If the socialist state is unable to improve on society and the masses have decided they want something else then they should be able to overthrow it and replace it with something they think will be better. Thats what democracy is all about.


"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."- Abraham Lincoln
Something like that except during socialism it will actually be true and not just a lie.

But during the revolution (aka "the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat"), when society is in the transition from capitalism to socialism and the bourgeoisie still have economic power, then there will probably be many executions. Mainly of people who take up arms to stop the revolution and people who have committed crimes against humanity. However there is no reason to kill or "re-educate" people who still believe in capitalism if they do not take physical action against the revolution. Its important that we try and bring people to our side by convincing them that we are right by showing them the advantages of socialism, not by forcing them to agree with us by threatening them.

Executing people simply because they were bourgeoisie would also be a mistake. Remember that Lenin, Engels and other popular leftists were bourgeoisie.

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 06:49 PM
But it would be satisfying shooting those assholes, seeing their blood dripping from the wall.
Here we have Justice - oh the irony, expressing his true SADISTIC motive.
You sick fuck&#33;


Question is, should we round up perverts like JUSTICE now before he commits a real crime...

[dopediana]

the point of the revolution is freedom for all. shooting someone is not right. there&#39;s naturally the conflict of ethics and what someone might "deserve" but i go with james and misadoctakleidist...

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 02:02 AM




Why was this put in OI, you had to have known that the OI would be agaisnt this (unless your goal was to start a arguement).

Obviously when the revolution comes there will be lots of killing in the minor battles that happen in a revolution. Leaders of counter revolutionaires should be
excuted immediatly and the armies to be dealt with according to the situation.


The capitalist class as a whole will be summarily deprived of their wealth and prestige...they&#39;ll be at the bottom of every list. Every city, in fact, might have a capitalist "barrio"...a shanty-town for the former elite. As soon as is practical, we&#39;ll take their kids as well...there&#39;s no reason to punish the kids for the "sins of their fathers".


This sounds rather cruel and a foolish idea. To put the capitalist class in shanty town sounds rather wicked. Alot of capitalist will just give up, the major ones will try to live the country. The capitalist that give up should be given reasonable living conditions and there current houses to be demolished and smaller home built there. Taking kids away will cause much distress to the kids and they will later on join the counter revolutionary fight, if you were planing on removing the kids from their parents it would be better to just kill them all.

Many ex capitalist will have there skills put to good use.

[redstar2000]

Why was this put in OI...?

Beats me...your "quote" from me was an empty box.


To put the capitalist class in shanty town[s] sounds rather wicked.

I&#39;m just a "wicked guy", I guess. :D

There are many working people living in wretched conditions now...and they will have priority.


Taking kids away will cause much distress to the kids...

Well, we&#39;ll give them a taste of life outside the shanty-towns and those who really want to go back can be allowed to do that...but, you understand, that means they will likely never enjoy the confidence of the working class. It will be assumed (correctly or incorrectly) that those kids have chosen to align themselves with the old ruling class.

It means that they too will probably spend their lives in the cappie shanty-towns.


Many ex-capitalists will have their skills put to good use.

I doubt it...I would not trust them with anything more elaborate than a broom or a mop, myself.

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[Guest1]

Redstar, you may end up creating another class society after a few generations. Though I do love the idea of bill gates and martha stewarts in a shanty town :P

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 21 2004, 03:08 AM
Redstar, you may end up creating another class society after a few generations. Though I do love the idea of bill gates and martha stewarts in a shanty town :P
I think the shanty towns would be breeding grounds for counter revolutionary terriost. In australia they use to, not sure if the state still does it now but they had commision homes ( standard homes with cheap rent for low income earner&#39;s). Well they had put all this commision homes in groups creating suburbs of just commision homes. This was a really stupuid idea and crime in these areas are high. I can see the excact same thing happening in these shanty towns created except these people would have a political ambitions



Beats me...your "quote" from me was an empty box.


I screwed up and decided i didnt want the quote there, i was actually talking about the whole topic, and i i think justice just wanted to try and shock the capitalist supporters and cause a arguement.



I doubt it...I would not trust them with anything more elaborate than a broom or a mop, myself.


Petty bougeise (small sho owners and what not) should not have their position in the shop taken from them. The will ofcourse not participate in the revolutoin and the petty bourgeise will be desolved through cultural and education revolution. Many big capitalist will surrender and will have their skills put to work but the will ofcourse be watched.

[Guerrilla22]

Everyone who spoke out against re-education camps on this post is missing one central issue: you can&#39;t just take someone who has adhered to a certain ideology his entire life and then expect him to change it over night, that&#39;s ludacris. Anyhow, isn&#39;t possible to hold re-education camps without the brutality? After being re-educated, these people would be sent back into the world as productive members of society. Of course, if you don&#39;t re-educate them, they are likely to turn counter-revolutionary on you.

[Hiero]

Most re education will be focused on teh younger generations of all classes. Everybody in todays capitalist society have learn capitalist beliefs. In china the cultural revolution involved a revolutuion in education that started to teach students how there skills can help society.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 21 2004, 12:35 PM
Everybody in todays capitalist society have learn capitalist beliefs.
No, they haven&#39;t. Please cite proof.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 21 2004, 02:11 PM
No, they haven&#39;t. Please cite proof.
We are more focused on competition getting the job with good pay, we will be a loser for life if we screw up at school. Rarely are told the value of our eforts, that we are each valuable in sociey.

This is why i didnt want this to be in the OI can a mod please move it out, the topic Should capitalist be shot doesnt entitle the pro capitalist to argue there point since 1) they dont want to be shot 2) the arent playing on have a revolution since they are capitalist.

[The Sloth]

Repress and control the capitalists until they can be cured of their affliction.

[Louis Pio]

Destroy them as a class. Take away their tools of power (control of economy) and prosecute the ones planning violent coups.

[Raisa]

We shouldnt shoot any one unless they shoot at us.

[Anti-Prophet]

Of course, if you don&#39;t re-educate them, they are likely to turn counter-revolutionary on you.

Who cares? theyll be a small minority and they will be powerless. If they start a counter-revolution they will be quickly suppressed by the overwhelming majority of society. If they are the majority then how the hell did the revolution happen in the first place? Only the Stalinists can pull off something like that.


Everybody in todays capitalist society have learn capitalist beliefs.

If thats the case then is a communist/socialist revolution possible at all? Obviously when the revolution comes the masses will have lost most of their "capitalist beleifs".

[Capitalist Imperial]

This entire post is predicted on the notion of a successful commie revolution, which will not happen.

Sorry, guys.

[Louis Pio]

This entire post is predicted on the notion of a successful commie revolution, which will not happen.


I see you besides from being arrogant also lacks any knowlegde on world affairs...

[Crusader 4 da truth]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 02:29 PM
Before, I was against the idea, but after discussing with them several days on capitalist forums, I don&#39;t have much against it.
They don&#39;t care about the poor. They would rather starve them to death then to sacrifice a bread in order to let them live. The only thing they care about is their own well being. They don&#39;t give a shit about anyone else. I&#39;d say shoot them, at least the most fanatical ones.
? for you who will do the shooting? Will you have the citizians shooting each other in the street or some central authority?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 07:03 PM

I see you besides from being arrogant also lacks any knowlegde on world affairs...


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You are truly clueless.

More nations are converting to capitalism every day. Emerging markets are capitalist, not communist. This is happening everywhere from eastern europe to the pacific rim, and even in china. This is so simple to see. Even your fellow commies will admit this.

Obviously, it is you who has no knowledge of world affairs.

Tell us, Teis, where are there large contingents of succesful emerging communist states?

[Xvall]

After the revolution?

Let&#39;s just shoot them now&#33;

[Sabocat]

who will do the shooting?

I will.

[gummo]

I shoulda know that some pansie commie would delete my "should communist be shot" post. The supression of freedom of speach is something that a lot of people have with communism.

Can&#39;t even make a post in opposing ideologies without being watched over by the red devil.

It&#39;s ok though. You guys can keep the power in your little cyber community. :)

[Misodoctakleidist]

Awwww, maybe you should get in touch with Amnesty International and report che-lives.

[gummo]

I should get in touch with AI and report that fatty you have on your webpage. Goddess my arse&#33;

[Misodoctakleidist]

Lucid? Is that you?

[gummo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 06:31 PM
Lucid? Is that you?
Lucid is dead. Some commie scumbag sucker punched him.

This is his brother. He showed me a picture of that porker a couple of weeks ago. WTF, don&#39;t you need special permenting to take that out of the zoo?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 06:39 PM
Lucid is dead. Some commie scumbag sucker punched him.

This is his brother. He showed me a picture of that porker a couple of weeks ago. WTF, don&#39;t you need special permenting to take that out of the zoo?
LOL,, LMAO,ROFL :lol:

Man, I&#39;m crying over here.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 08:21 PM
I shoulda know that some pansie commie would delete my "should communist be shot" post. The supression of freedom of speach is something that a lot of people have with communism.

Can&#39;t even make a post in opposing ideologies without being watched over by the red devil.

It&#39;s ok though. You guys can keep the power in your little cyber community. :)
it was deleted tit &#39;ed...it&#39;s here (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showforum=24)

[Nas]

my answer is No

[fuerzasocialista]

I&#39;m inclined to provide a strict re-education of the mind when it comes to Capitalists. If that doesn&#39;t work then drop them on an island in the middle of the South Pacific.

[gummo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 08:01 PM
On the Contrary, CuteComrades,

When the Revolution gloriously occurs, the People should collectively ask themselves &#39;what decisions pertaining to socioeconomic stratification would best serve the interests of the Masses&#39;, and obviously the answer should be a Marxist system. However, the question remains how best to utilize the KKKapitalist (i.e. non-masses) majority.


Thusly I propose a glorious theory of "Liberatory Economics" in which the KKKapitalists should be forced to work the fields to harvest whole-grain and and possibly in laboratoes to develop weird, futuristic genetic hybrids of whole-grain.

The Masses, Comrades, then can be employed as "overseers" and "Labor Commandants" whose Job for the People is to make sure the KKKapitalist workers are doing good work for the People. It will also be the job of these Comrades Labor Commandants to perhaps dispense some kind of reward system (I have to yet still gloriously work out the details) to the KKKapitalist working classes based on individual skill or efforts, to encourage productivity among the filthy reactionary non-masses majority.

Promising KKKapitalist workers can be encouraged to start their own grain-production facilities to ensure that the Masses will forever remain progressive and wealthy.


Also, Comrades, as is well known, KKKapitalist narcofascists through brute force, ruthlessness and cunning, have developed a skill with weapons and guns and the so-called &#39;lipstique explosive&#39;(sp) that they have used to established this crass system of hedonistic suppresionment.

Perhaps they should be forced under threat of Justifiable Violence to provide security and protection of the whole-grain farms. Eventually, after the fires of counterrevolutinary activity have been gloriously suppressed, the Masses can then employ only KKKapitalist for internal security and policing needs, can arm them thoroughly, and then command them from afar from our lovely Dachas in the countryside that Revolution will provide.

What say you, Comrades?
-CCC*

(*not pronounced "KKK")
I say your an idiot with a loose tin foil hat.

[gummo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 08:18 PM
And I say you are an filthy, hooligan, class-appeasest, forondeurist, counter-revolutionary hyhena.


And the difference between your statement and mine, Comrade Guano, is that I am correct.
Flattery will get you know where.

Get the eletist pole outa your arse.

[gummo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 08:23 PM
Comrade Gumbo&#33;

You are a threat to the Revolution and all that Allah(swt) has deemed Good&#33;

For the purity of the Cause, I strongly suggest you censor your reactionary comments&#33;


Good day, sir&#33;
I am glad to be a threat to this fake &#39;revolution&#39; that you and your smurf friends are alway crying about. I&#39;ll censor my comments when you come over and scratch my nuts.

It is a good day&#33; It&#39;s a great day&#33; Now get back to the sweat shops.

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 08:01 PM
On the Contrary, CuteComrades,

Why the elaboration? Just say they will be slaves, like the rest of the people.

[hotsexygrl42]

Before, I was against the idea, but after discussing with them several days on capitalist forums, I don&#39;t have much against it.
They don&#39;t care about the poor. They would rather starve them to death then to sacrifice a bread in order to let them live. The only thing they care about is their own well being. They don&#39;t give a shit about anyone else. I&#39;d say shoot them, at least the most fanatical ones. You are the one who does not care about the poor my friend.

The proportion of people living in extreme poverty (less than &#036;1 a day) in developing countries dropped by almost half between 1981 and 2001, from 40 to 21 percent of global population

in East and South Asia has pulled over 500 million people out of poverty in those two regions alone,

chile poverty rate has fallen 40 to 20 percent

uring the 1970s and 1980s, developing countries with open markets had annual growth of 4.49 per cent, whereas open industrialized countries had only 2.29 per cent. During the 1990s, globalising developing countries had 5 per cent growth annually, whereas the industrialized countries had 1.9 per cent. Free trade, in other words, gives poor countries a means of moving up on more affluent ones and eventually catching up with them.

You are full of bs and i proved it

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I find it funny how commies during the war were like peace, violence is not the answer and yet they talk about killing capitalist.

[SIZE=14] HYPOCRITE[SIZE=14]

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Why won&#39;t this thread just die? This thread is basically trying to find out who the Stalin kiddies are, and its making us all look bad...

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

The proportion of people living in extreme poverty (less than &#036;1 a day) in developing countries dropped by almost half between 1981 and 2001, from 40 to 21 percent of global population

A doller doesn&#39;t buy as much as it used to. Also I wouldn&#39;t doubt that not all the countries considered "developing" in the 1981 statistic were considered the same in the 2001 statistic.


in East and South Asia has pulled over 500 million people out of poverty in those two regions alone,

Don&#39;t you consider countries like China and Vietnam "communist"?


chile poverty rate has fallen 40 to 20 percent

What? You expect them to go backward?


uring the 1970s and 1980s, developing countries with open markets had annual growth of 4.49 per cent, whereas open industrialized countries had only 2.29 per cent. During the 1990s, globalising developing countries had 5 per cent growth annually, whereas the industrialized countries had 1.9 per cent. Free trade, in other words, gives poor countries a means of moving up on more affluent ones and eventually catching up with them.

If you measure the ecomonic success by the fortunes of a few billionaires, then by all means capitalism is a superior system. However, if you measure an economy by the quality of living that is afforded to its citizens, and the quality of the services that people have such as education, health, housing, and food. Things which all people take advantage of, then more socialistic countries such as Sweden and Cuba top the charts of success. It all depends on whose interests you are looking out for. Do you support the people as a whole or do you support the rich and powerful elite?

[hotsexygrl42]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 04:17 AM



Don&#39;t you consider countries like China and Vietnam "communist"? No they are not


What? You expect them to go backward? it could happen


If you measure the ecomonic success by the fortunes of a few billionaires, then by all means capitalism is a superior system. However, if you measure an economy by the quality of living that is afforded to its citizens, and the quality of the services that people have such as education, health, housing, and food.

It does all those things you talk about. If you want i can back it up with facts

[Nyder]

hotsexygrl42 you rock my world. :D

[hotsexygrl42]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 06:23 PM
hotsexygrl42 you rock my world. :D
I love it when men give me compliments

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 04:17 AM
and the quality of the services that people have such as education, health, housing, and food. Things which all people take advantage of, then more socialistic countries such as Sweden and Cuba top the charts of success.
I beg to differ. The state of Britain&#39;s national health service is a joke and as for education...well...it&#39;s pretty much a universal failiure isn&#39;t it ?

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Which one is Britain: Sweden or Cuba?

[Xvall]

No one even mentioned Britain.

And 42, you supplied us with some statistics, but how do those statistics point out that &#39;we don&#39;t care about the poor&#39;?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 01:50 AM
Which one is Britain: Sweden or Cuba?
How silly of me; I forgot that Britain nationalized health service doesn&#39;t "count" but because it sucks.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The NHS doesn&#39;t suck, it provides valuable operations (Even if you have to wait) to those who can&#39;t otherwise afford it. The NHS is suffering due to buereacracy, not because nationalised health care is inherently faulty.

[Xvall]

No one mentioned Britain, why are you even talking about it?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 06:23 PM
hotsexygrl42 you rock my world. :D
Dude, I think that "she" is really a dude.

[Nyder]

Well what does it matter in this day and age. :lol:

[Anti-Prophet]

You are the one who does not care about the poor my friend.

The proportion of people living in extreme poverty (less than &#036;1 a day) in developing countries dropped by almost half between 1981 and 2001, from 40 to 21 percent of global population

in East and South Asia has pulled over 500 million people out of poverty in those two regions alone,

chile poverty rate has fallen 40 to 20 percent

uring the 1970s and 1980s, developing countries with open markets had annual growth of 4.49 per cent, whereas open industrialized countries had only 2.29 per cent. During the 1990s, globalising developing countries had 5 per cent growth annually, whereas the industrialized countries had 1.9 per cent. Free trade, in other words, gives poor countries a means of moving up on more affluent ones and eventually catching up with them.

You are full of bs and i proved it

Economic improvement alone doesnt justify capitalism or any other social system. The economy improved in the southern American states when slavery was legal, that doesnt justify slavery. The standard of living in the Soviet Union improved in the 30s but that doesnt justify Stalinism. The Nazis were able to pull Germany out a depression and pull thousands of Gremans out of poverty. By your logic, anyone that is not pro-Nazis dont care about the poor.

[Hot Dog Day #84]

oh jeez great so now im going to get shot by strawberryrevolution or whoever.
ok im not a communist, by i would imagine that following marxist ideology, no capitalists shouldnt be. marxism while having economic analysis, at its heart is based on humanism and all that wishywashy stuff, not wanting others to be exploited and all. so it makes no sense to then go shoot up lots of people, just because of their political belief.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Hot Dog Day #[email protected] 5 2004, 09:58 PM
oh jeez great so now im going to get shot by strawberryrevolution or whoever.
ok im not a communist, by i would imagine that following marxist ideology, no capitalists shouldnt be. marxism while having economic analysis, at its heart is based on humanism and all that wishywashy stuff, not wanting others to be exploited and all. so it makes no sense to then go shoot up lots of people, just because of their political belief.
There talking about shooting real capitalist, thoose who own capital not thoose who support ownage of capital.

[Hot Dog Day #84]

You&#39;ll find many people own capital nowadays. Thanks to things such as the rising popularity of the stock exchange, easier investment opportunities, property ownership is becoming the norm, etc.

I have a savings account. This earns me money because of the bank investing it in the stock market. So it can be said that i am a &#39;capitalist&#39; if you are defining it as people who own the factors of production. It isnt as clear cut as you&#39;re making out.

That said I doubt that many agree with your definition. Capitalist = non marxist, because of course its possible to simplify things down to &#39;us and them&#39; mmhmm.