Warped Tour

[Guerrilla22]

yeah the Warped Tour, tons of great bands (mostly punk) I'm going to it on Suday when it comes to Invesco Field in Denver. Bad Religion, the Vandals, and NOFX are going to be there, its going to be bad ace.

[Ian]

They don't come to Australia anymore, they did back in the 90's, I heard that they're re-introducing it or something.

[refuse_resist]

Too many of the bands there are new school punk. When the Warped Tour first started out it was cool, though.

[guerrillaradio]

Yay, corporate punk. FUCK the Warped Tour. You guys talk about being anti-capitalist and then go to that co-opted bullshit?? Fuck all of you...

[FatFreeMilk]

Ha ha ha, fine then.

I was supposed to last month but I couldn't get a ride. There's like a million bands playing, but the only one I care about really is Bad Religion.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 05:24 PM
Yay, corporate punk. FUCK the Warped Tour. You guys talk about being anti-capitalist and then go to that co-opted bullshit?? Fuck all of you...
Shut up, you know you buy products from large corporations and cds put out by giant music labels too, quit being a fucking hypocrite.

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 07:18 PM
Shut up, you know you buy products from large corporations and cds put out by giant music labels too, quit being a fucking hypocrite.
Alan would never buy a CD from a major label. All he listens to is indie hardcore shit.

Asshole.

[Guerrilla22]

Good for Alan, he still buys stuff made by major corporations, there's no one in the western world, who doesn't, fuck off Michael, you're not from Panama, oyu're just another white middle, class fuck.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 12:18 AM
Shut up, you know you buy products from large corporations and cds put out by giant music labels too, quit being a fucking hypocrite.
Nothing to do with consumer politics.

Punk rock's supposed to stand at odds to mainstream society and money-driven ****s, not be on their payroll. Shit like Warped Tour has about as much to do with punk as Tony Blair has to do with socialism.

Fuck those sellout ****s.

[Guerrilla22]

I'm not saying that the warped Tour isn't corporate, I'm just saying its hyocritical to get upset about the warped tour, when you, yourself support corporations, which everyone does, including myself. Besides, even if you are a punk band you still have to pay the bills, maybe you'll understand that someday when you're older than 15.

[dopediana]

HAHAHAHAHA! alan! i remember last year you got so pissed off when i said warped tour was kind of sucky and that the maoist guys were more interesting......

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 03:55 AM
Besides, even if you are a punk band you still have to pay the bills, maybe you'll understand that someday when you're older than 15.
You little ****. I'm 18 and more punk rock than you'll ever be. Ever heard of "DIY not EMI" in between wanking over The Rolling Stone??? Fuck you. I listen to music by bands who manage to retain their integrity and pay the bills. It's called hardcore, but that probably means porn to you.

Ban this **** for crimes against punk rock.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 05:52 AM
HAHAHAHAHA! alan! i remember last year you got so pissed off when i said warped tour was kind of sucky and that the maoist guys were more interesting......
You dissed punks and then talked about some guys "jumping or something". I like being irrationally angry. Sides, 12 months have passed. I have much less time for the Warped Tour than I did this time last year.

Moreover, you didn't seem to mind being dissed for it. Is Guerrilla22 a chick?? :D

[dopediana]

what do you mean i "didn't seem to mind being dissed for it"? i really can't remember. i was impartial to the whole thing. i was glad i went. i had a *****in' time. and you just wanted to get afi tattooed on you ass the whole time.... oh wait, that was your friend who has that on his ass. and people were jumping around and looking retarded. ooooh, it was great today at work! this kid came in with his mom. she looked like a former biker chick and this kid couldn't have been more than 14. he had a 12 inch mohawk, a leather jacket, plaid pants with patches all over them, a casualties shirt, and these combat boots with half of the union jack on each toe. to top it off he had on one of those gun cartridge belts or whatever you call them that look like they're going to pull your pants down rather than hold them up. a very cool look, very gutter punk. they had a rather big order so we talked for a while about music. the kid pulled off the image very well for his age. he was all excited about warped tour to see the casualties and nofx. it was cute. this has no point whatsoever. it was a bit amusing to see this skinny young punker in the middle of a gourmet supermarket surrounded by little old people.

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 12:10 AM
Michael, you're not from Panama, oyu're just another white middle, class fuck.
My name's supposed to be ironic. Of course I'm white and middle class. If you've been on Che Lives long enough, you'd know how much I hate beaners and spics. Especially poor ones. There's nothing I hate more than a poor, dirty, sweaty, disgusting spic.

And may God Bless America.

[refuse_resist]

Who cares, if people wanna go watch a bunch of pop/emo bands play and watch skateboarding, then let them.

[Pawn Power]

im going to it in Hershy Pa, just to see Anti Flag, Bad Religion and Lars and the international noise consperiacy

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 04:51 PM
You little ****. I'm 18 and more punk rock than you'll ever be. Ever heard of "DIY not EMI" in between wanking over The Rolling Stone??? Fuck you. I listen to music by bands who manage to retain their integrity and pay the bills. It's called hardcore, but that probably means porn to you.

Ban this **** for crimes against punk rock.

Maybe you should be banned for using a term that is determental to women. If you want to address me at least use decent language, I'm not saying you have to respect me, but the word "****" is deragatory to women.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 04:30 AM
Who cares, if people wanna go watch a bunch of pop/emo bands play and watch skateboarding, then let them.
Okay so now Anti-Flag, the casualties and Bad Religion are emo?

[dopediana]

i love the word ****. i use it quite often myself. my screen name at a couple of other sites incorporates the word ****. hmmmm...... no they're not emo. but they're pretty poppy through no fault of their own. anti-flag and bad religion has its agenda to push (it's not a bad agenda) and the casualties have a good gutter punk image.

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 02:20 AM

Maybe you should be banned for using a term that is determental to women. If you want to address me at least use decent language, I'm not saying you have to respect me, but the word "****" is deragatory to women.
Please don't use the word "women." You don't have to respect me, but the word "women" is absolutely misogynistic. Say "womyn," "wimmin," or "womin" instead, please.

If not, I'll never stop crying.

:( :( :( :( :( :(

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 04:51 PM
You little ****. I'm 18 and more punk rock than you'll ever be
:rolleyes: Who are you trying to convince, me or yourself?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Punk rock's supposed to stand at odds to mainstream society and money-driven ****s, not be on their payroll

I don't know what "punk rock" means to you, but to those of us who were teens in the late 70s and early 80s England, and were actually there to see it, it was about being able to MAKE A LOT OF MONEY while also being able to dress like idiots and take shit loads of drugs.

What you are referring to is new age teenypopper punk. (a far cry from the real deal) It's a bunch of kids who cover up their lack of talent (and record deal offers) with "anti establishment" anti sellout" crap.


You little ****. I'm 18 and more punk rock than you'll ever be.

:lol:

Talking about how "punk rock" rock are is a immediate loss of 22.689 punk rock points.

Please turn in your doc's and all "anarchy" patches to the receptionist in the front office.

The PR commission will temporarily allow you to keep any leather jackets you may have so long as they do not have any anti "the man" slogans painted on them or any patches held on with safety pins attached to them.

Any further loss in PRPs will result in the immediate banning of any manic panic hair dyes and black stretch jeans.

Please note that facial piercings have never been PR, so if you have one please remove it immediately.

[Guerrilla22]

Michael and Guerrilla Radio, your level of maturity amazes me. Its okay though, I forgive your ignorance, by the way how many spiked bracelets do you have?

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 02:46 PM
Michael and Guerrilla Radio, your level of maturity amazes me. Then again, I'm not surprised, considering you both are a couple of kids, who are still living at home and sucking on their mother's tit.
But we're both 18.

Alan goes to college, and is probably living in some dorm or apartment.

I'm homeless, and have been living at my girlfriend's house for the past two weeks.

And we like to suck on each other's mother's tits.

Plus, we're both "mature" enough not to become offended and flip out when someone uses a word that refers to a part of the female genitals.

And, most importantly, we're both much better looking than you.

[Louis Pio]

I can see that everything I loath about "punkrockers" is still alive and well.
It's a damn shame narrowminded kids give the music such a bad name.

Ohh im more punk than your etc etc. The punker than though syndrom, it always amazes me :D

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Michael De [email protected] 20 2004, 07:56 PM


Plus, we're both "mature" enough not to become offended and flip out when someone uses a word that refers to a part of the female genitals.

And, most importantly, we're both much better looking than you.
I'd hardly call that "flipping out" flipping out is going off calling someone a "****" or whatever the hell you were saying in your little rant earlier in this post.

[Urban Rubble]

First of all, this pissing contest is making me laugh. If I was more of an internet geek I'd type "LOL". I'm more punk than all of you, just look at my pants !!

Anyway, I somewhat agree with GuerillaRadio, but I think he takes it too far, and in the process makes himself look like somewhat of a hypocrite. I'm conflicted about the Warped Tour, it's nice to see bands like NOFX (who by the way, are the very definition of "punk rock", perhaps not musically, but they are great guys) and Bad Religion finally getting what they deserve after doing what they do for 18 and 25 years. As long as there is Capitalism there will be things you love getting corporatized, I had to deal with it when it happened (for like, the third time) to skateboarding, now more than ever, punks are going to have to deal with this. As soon as people catch on to the fact that something is "cool", it will blow up, and in the proccess lose alot of it's "soul". GR, it isn't about how poor you are or how small of venues you play, believe it or not, 90% of the "underground" punk/hardcore bands we both listen to would sign to Epitaph (which is somewhere in between indie and major) or some other label if given the chance. Look at the Casualties, those guys have been together for a long time, they lived on the fucking streets and still managed to play shows, the last couple of years has been good to them and now they can make a decent living instead of being all punk rock and sleeping in a box in Central Park. There is a difference between signing to Capitol records and signing to a label owned and operated by punks. I don't respect bands like fucking Yellowcard and New Found Glory one bit, but you cannot tell me that Rise Against or Death By Stereo have lost any integrity by signing to a label so they can pay their rent and live a decent life.

Here are some lyrics GR really needs to read closely:


Look at the world in disbelief
You used to follow - now you lead
College has enlightened you
And you are proud to be different
And like different bands - different types
You ain't nobody's fool
It's like certain bands remind you of someone you hated
'Cause they didn't wear the right clothing
And there's only one true fashion
Alot of the bands on the college charts are great bands
until they get signed. Then you hate them
It's such bullshit - you used to love them you hypocrite
I remember you and I listening to bands that we liked
Only the songs mattered to you
But now you're a D.J. and preaching that hype
"Corporate Rock Sucks"
"You know, college radio enlightens you"
It's supposed to serve as a means to expose new bands
without prejudice, but it makes no sense
Safe harbor for the underground
'Til the alternative becomes the popular sound
The bands are good 'til they make enough cash
to eat food and get a pad
Then they're sold out and their music is cliché
Because talent's exclusive to bands without pay
Know it all - Did you really listen to that song?
Could you ever write what you call wrong?



I empathize with the way you feel man, I just think you're being naieve about how things work. There has to be a line drawn between "selling out" and making a living. I would call driving a Hummer to your mansion a la Zach De La Rocha "selling out", but signing to a label that is going to support you and give you the rewards and recognition you deserve cannot be looked down upon. And don't think for a second that you would turn it down if you had the oppurtunity, and there is no need to respond to that, because it's one thing to say you'd turn it down on an internet forum, it's another thing to tell the dumptruck full of money to turn around and leave your driveway.

By the way, most of the bands on the Tour sucked this year, however I did go for the sole purpose of seeing Rise Against, who were great. Don't worry GR, I didn't buy any merchandise. :lol:

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 21 2004, 04:01 AM
First of all, this pissing contest is making me laugh. If I was more of an internet geek I'd type "LOL". I'm more punk than all of you, just look at my pants !!

Anyway, I somewhat agree with GuerillaRadio, but I think he takes it too far, and in the process makes himself look like somewhat of a hypocrite.
He is a hypocritre and his 'I'm more punk than you," statement was absolutely hilarious. UR, watch out he may go off on a rant about what a "****" you are because you called him a hypocrite. Apparently he believes he is the authority on punk rock, which again is hilarious because punk is more than wearing patches, getting a mohawk and wearing spiked bracelets, its about ideology, which can be interpereted in many different ways.

By the way the Casualties, Anti-Flag, NOFX, Rise Against, the Vandals and Bad Religion are all on independent labels.

[Urban Rubble]

I didn't call him a hypocrite, I said in this situation he's being slightly hyprocritical. I agree that it's pretty dumb to say you're "more punk" than anyone, but then again, GR is a pretty punk rock guy.


By the way the Casualties, Anti-Flag, NOFX, Rise Against, the Vandals and Bad Religion are all on independent labels.

Bad Religion and NOFX are on Epitaph which, like I said, is somewhere between indy and major. It is run by punks though, so it really doesn't matter how big they are. Brett Guerwitz (BR's original geetarist) owns it, he's a good guy and he treats people well. The rest of those bands are on Fat Wreck Chords, which is Fat Mike from NOFX's label, also a sub label of Epitaph. Fat is even better though, Mike runs that place like a fucking Socialist would, every worker is well taken care of, bands retain the rights to their own music and are treated well, nothing wrong with that.

[guerrillaradio]

I meant "punk rock" as in my attitudes and beliefs and actions, not in terms of fashion or music collection. I'm hardcore in reality. I'm more at home punching out floorboards to Terror than pogoing with a can of Spesh. But hey, it's all good...I like to think I kinda know what's up. Not all of it, but I can back most of what I say since it is what I base my life on.

Hypocrisy?? Back that shit up dude...

Monsieur RAF - Maybe the fucking Sex Pistols were about the cash, but fuck it, that ain't what happened according to every account I've heard. Maybe hardcore's the last resort of punk rock nowadays but it did used to mean something, whatever some chump on the internet can claim "first hand".

UR - that's akin to saying we should accept the expansion of a big business into the Third World, or accept wars on oil. It's a symptom of capitalism. Fuck that, it's still fucking wrong. And that's just from a political aspect. I could give a punk rock explanation when I'm less stoned.

[Urban Rubble]

UR - that's akin to saying we should accept the expansion of a big business into the Third World, or accept wars on oil. It's a symptom of capitalism. Fuck that, it's still fucking wrong. And that's just from a political aspect. I could give a punk rock explanation when I'm less stoned.

How is a bunch of punks banding together, starting their own labels and getting a fair living for their music at all like a war for oil ?

OF COURSE it's a symptom of Capitalism, we live in a Capitalist society. If you don't adopt a certain amount of Capitalist practices yourself you will die, or in the case of these bands they will starve and never be able to get a living for what they do. The difference is, these guys didn't start the labels to get rich and exploit, they started them because they were sick of corporate labels stealing their money, there is a HUGE difference.

I am with you on the thought that a punk band should NEVER sign to a major label, however, you cannot convince me that it is wrong to sign to a fairly large label that is owned and operated by punks in order to make a livable wage.



I'd really like to hear a response on this. Go back and address my points. I think this is a fairly serious issue in terms of the punk scene. That song that I quoted sums it up perfectly, people love the bands when they're small and underground, when the guys IN the band don't ever get paid for what they do. Once they decide to sign and get enough cash for a place to live and food to eat, they are called "sell outs" and fickle ass psuedo punks deem them "uncool". Why does a band have to be poor to be "cool" ? Why aren't YOU called a sellout when you go work for a big company ? They're doing the same thing as you are, trying to get by.

[Dirty Commie]

I decided to save my 30$ and go to a few concerts for local bands instead.

I really did wanna see the Briggs again, a-f, nofx, bad religion, international noise conspiracy...I should have gone....damn...i will never see most of thise bands...that sucks.....my friend Alex got to meet Flogging Molly...that bastard.

[Our Trust and Provider Matt]

The international noise conspiracy is the only real communist band that i can think of off hand, i mean, they put thier full album on thier site for anyone to listen to. That's pretty punk rock, oh, and they have an awesome song called communist moon.

[Dirty Commie]

On the "Capitalism Stole my Virginity" ep the cover art (at least I think) is a tribute to the Velvet Underground, your avatar reminded me .

[dopediana]

i went to the va beach warped tour on the third. i'm not going to tell everything that happened because much of it was boring and the other bit was a bit too hot for you kids. i paid special attention to ASG--the main guy has hot dreads, sings and plays geetar like a ***** and i moshed the hell out of it till i got hit in the ears a few too many times (new cartilage piercings and i also have some bruises over my shoulders and arms). rise against was great. they played a new song off their upcoming album sirens of the whatever somethingorother (it's late and i'm tired). bad religion was great but everyone went to see them and it was a number restricted mosh pit which really fucking sucked. so i sat up close and saw them.
now, i like to walk around the political booths and just talk and talk and talk to people. i talked to this one dude who represented "stand up for kids" which is this organization dedicated to helping out homeless kids. well, he dug me so he invited me and my friends backstage after all the shows were done. we all went and saw flogging molly and then slapped on our little hot pink bracelets he'd brought us and went to his bus. it was pretty awesome. had some alcohol. chilled out. talked to folks. told stories. we were told we were the first people he'd invited backstage in all his 25 or so shows and the coolest people he'd met on tour. which isn't too tough since it's warped tour and warped tour is lame (paraphrased from antieverything). and yeah, flogging molly was fucking awesome as usual. the lead singer is amazing. he's got class and style and sophistication and that VOICE! drives me crazy. it was funny because he was announcing each song with a different verbal prelude and brian had seen them every night so he knew exactly which song was coming up next each time. and then we all drove home.

[Urban Rubble]

the other bit was a bit too hot for you kids.

What ? Are you fucking joking ? I want to hear that part !!!!


now, i like to walk around the political booths and just talk and talk and talk to people. i talked to this one dude who represented "stand up for kids" which is this organization dedicated to helping out homeless kids. well, he dug me so he invited me and my friends backstage after all the shows were done. we all went and saw flogging molly and then slapped on our little hot pink bracelets he'd brought us and went to his bus. it was pretty awesome. had some alcohol. chilled out. talked to folks.

Just one of the many advantages of owning a vagina. My girlfriend was solicited so many damn times, once by the guitar player of "My Chemical Romance" (she told him his band sucks and to remove his arm from around her shoulder). She was even asked by some roadie guy to "Come back and entertain the fellas". Fucking bastards. I can't even go to these types of things without getting in (or nearly getting in) fights.


we were told we were the first people he'd invited backstage in all his 25 or so shows and the coolest people he'd met on tour

And I'm totally sure he was being sincere ! :lol:

Just joking, don't get mad at me.

The tour was O.K, but I think this will be my last time going. I'm too old for this bullshit, plus, there isn't even that many good bands on it anymore.

[wet blanket]

Just one of the many advantages of owning a vagina. My girlfriend was solicited so many damn times, once by the guitar player of "My Chemical Romance" (she told him his band sucks and to remove his arm from around her shoulder). She was even asked by some roadie guy to "Come back and entertain the fellas". Fucking bastards. I can't even go to these types of things without getting in (or nearly getting in) fights.

hahaha you should go to their next concert and break his arm... it shouldn't be too hard, those guys are a band of skinny dorks.

Doesn't look like he'd put up much of a fight... (http://mychemicalromance.prod4ever.com/gallery/fanfotos/12.jpg)

[Urban Rubble]

I really do hate that guy.

And that band sucks soooo bad.

[dopediana]

tyler, wouldn't you just want to go for the ambiance anyway? though it is getting tooo fucking expensive. $35.50 this year which is more than millions of people make in a month. and how did your g/f wind up anywhere near my chemical romance? they're awful....... i think i just lucked out in meeting a cool roadie.

[Jesus Christ]

i went to Warped yesterday at Randalls Island, it was so great
i saw :

Taking Back Sunday
Thursday
The Bled
Boys Night Out
Yellowcard
omg so many more
it was so great

[Urban Rubble]

My God Jesus, I cannot believe you like Yellowcard.

[Guerrilla22]

I saw Rise Against, The Casaulties, Anti-Flag, Flogging Molly, the Vandals, Nofx, Bad Religion, and I managed to hit the guitarist of New Found Glory with a shoe, it was great.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 8 2004, 11:04 PM
My God Jesus, I cannot believe you like Yellowcard.
i really dont but but they played an amazing set
so much energy it was great

[Urban Rubble]

I'm sure it would have really "energized" the crowd if I had shot that violin playing fuckhead in the face.

Or if the singer of Rise Against would have came out, hacked off all of his limbs and ate his torso.

And Guerilla, even though we've disagreed on alot of things, for hitting that bastard with the shoe, all is forgotten.

I threw change at the guy from Guttermouth's face and contributed to the gash it caused, but he asked us to do that so it didn't count.

[DarkAngel]

Havent been but my sis did a yr or two ago... hahah she grabbed the drummer from AAF ass and then stage dived...hehe i envy my sis she had some good times, she even bough weed off of Benji n Joel....but that was before the big time..

[Pawn Power]

Went to warp tour in Hershy Pa, just yesterday.
Of course, it was terribly hot, terribly commerilized and water cost 3 dollars.
Anti-Flag was Bad religion were good, I thought Tiger Army played a good set even for the small audience that watched them. The Causulties were like they always are, great hair and show, so-so music. But the highlight for me was The (International) Noise Conspiracy which, even though they dident play my favorite song "A New Language", played great. They were a nice set off from the rest of the bands. They ended with Capitalism Stole My Virginity and it was awsome.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by Our Trust and Provider [email protected] 3 2004, 12:22 AM
The international noise conspiracy is the only real communist band that i can think of off hand, i mean, they put thier full album on thier site for anyone to listen to.
While playing 1000+ capacity Mean Fiddler venues for £12. Dennis Lyxzen's a bit of a disgrace really.

Tyler bro - I only check this site when I'm either stoned or tired. I'm knackered right now cos I'm back from a week of squatting a place to hold shows and workshops (I screenprinted a Black Flag shirt...it looks awful) and I smell terrible but I'll try anyway, on the condition that I reserve the right to contradict points raised in this post at a later juncture.

I've heard Epitaph sucks from bands as varied as Rancid to Madball (not first hand obviously). They are a major label more or less, a subsidary of Sony. Or something. Who cares about the details. They're in cahoots with Sony so they suck by me.

That said, my favourite band's on Epitaph so in a few months I'll (unfortunately) have an Epitaph Records release in my collection. Shit sucks. But I don't have a choice in the matter. I'm not so elitist that I'll completely avoid major labels, I just hate the fact that they have infringed upon punk rock.

I mean, c'mon, apart from anything else, have we not learnt what happens with this shit?? Fashion is cyclical. One second punk's fashionable and fuckin Virgin's picking up every mohawk in sight (check the window display in their Piccadilly store in London), the next it's out and a thousand "punks" are either in serious debt or reinventing their sound to follow the fashion, like a hobbling old man chasing his bus.


If you don't adopt a certain amount of Capitalist practices yourself you will die...

Hahahah. You read CrimethInc??


...or in the case of these bands they will starve and never be able to get a living for what they do.

Maybe you're onto something there. I can count on one hand the amount of hardcore bands that are fulltime right now. Hardcore's about having a shitty job and running home to shout into the mic about it. It's not about guaruntees and riders and fucking stadiums, whatever that Fat Mike chump tells you.

Incidentally, he's interviewed in the latest issue of this zine I contribute to by the editor (the biggest NOFX fan in the whole world [maybe]) and even he admitted that Mike's full of shit...especially relating to Punkvoter.


people love the bands when they're small and underground, when the guys IN the band don't ever get paid for what they do. Once they decide to sign and get enough cash for a place to live and food to eat, they are called "sell outs" and fickle ass psuedo punks deem them "uncool". Why does a band have to be poor to be "cool" ?

Well maybe the music I listen to is born out of an anger against society, a necessary outlet caused by your immediate surroundings and environment. Do The Damned sound as angry now that they're playing reunion tours as they did in 1977?? No, cos they grew up, they paid in and it would seem that they sold out (I don't know much about The Damned...they sprung to my mind cos I was watching a documentary about them a couple of days ago).

I'm not saying punks can't be happy but if their music is about being pissed off with their situation (as it invariably is), then if it changes, how can they sing the same songs?? I dunno, I'm kinda hedging here. I haven't slept since like Tuesday or something.

As concerns Warped, fuck it. It's nothing to do with punk rock. It's a spectacle and anyone whose a spectator in punk is as good as dead. Worse actually, cos they give rise to things like Warped. Let's have some more DIY or Die style kids in punk. Those kids kick ass.

I don't see why punk has to deal with these issues. It'd way cooler if they just ignored the mainstream. It's not that hard, it'd just involve an element of perspective and intelligence, which those stupid mohawked ****s should have anyway.

I work for a supermarket. Ah well. I spend all my money on shows, records and weed and shoplift/skip most food. I'm not selling my creative output, just my labour. Maybe I should go CrimethInc. Do girls find that hot??

Seriously Ty, you seem pretty rad so take my AIM or something and we'll discuss this sometime when I can't see four PCs like.

[Urban Rubble]

Tyler bro - I only check this site when I'm either stoned or tired.

Me too. In fact, I'm stoned AND tired. On the plus side, we worked at a house on the lake today and on my luch break I caught a fish. Sweet.


I've heard Epitaph sucks from bands as varied as Rancid to Madball (not first hand obviously). They are a major label more or less, a subsidary of Sony. Or something. Who cares about the details. They're in cahoots with Sony so they suck by me.

I think it's a stretch to call them a major. Most small labels are in some way related to major labels. For example, a group of guys I know down in Portland own a skate shoe company called Savier, maybe you've heard of it. They're great guys, all very smart and left leaning, however, after they started this company and got going, they were pretty much forced to get their materials from Nike ! It was a bunch of bullshit, nobody would give them loans because they were dirty hippie skater bastards, and whole bunch of factors pretty much forced them into buying Nike materials (because Nike is in Oregon) or go out of business. I know that had nothing to do with music, but it's the same thing with record labels. Labels like Epitaph start out small, and then when they blow up they start feeling the wrath of Capitalism and are somehow wrangled into a subsidiary deal. Capitalism is a rough game, major labels can be very powerful.


That said, my favourite band's on Epitaph so in a few months I'll (unfortunately) have an Epitaph Records release in my collection. Shit sucks. But I don't have a choice in the matter. I'm not so elitist that I'll completely avoid major labels, I just hate the fact that they have infringed upon punk rock.

Come on, Epitaph is not infringing on punk rock. The guitar player from Bad Religion started it when he was only a few years older than me ! Punks have run that label from the day they bought a business license.

Anyway, what band would that be ? There's not all that many bands that are still putting out records on Epitaph that I listen to, but there are a few. Lars Frederksen and the Bastards are great, Rise Against is like my favorite band, but they're on Fat. Bad Religion will always be respectable, but I don't really listen to them much.

I'll reply to the rest of your post later, my girlfriend just got home.

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The band is Converge. They're metal(core). I hate Epitaph's "punk" releases. The sound is so fucking mediocre. I heard a dodgy story about Guerrwitz and Rancid, but I can't remember the details.

I dunno, I think I'm slightly idealist about this but I really think punk rock should be. To me, it is absolutely intrinsic to hardcore punk that it creates an alternative to typical capitalist, corporatist, consumerist music industry methods...and I wish punk was the same. Some still is. There's still an abundance of DIY punk rock, but it gets overlooked by morons who go to things like the Warped Tour.