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Subversive Pessimist
15th July 2004, 06:42
There are so many, many bad things in the world, but for some reason, cannibalism is considered just about the worst. Depending on your point of view, it rises above even such criminal abominations as pedophilia, rape and genocide.

Based on what we know of recent tribal practices, it's generally thought that cannibalism was not treated like a night out at "Red Lobster," at least not within the time frame of the last 4,000 to 6,000 years. Instead, it usually was a spiritual ritual. In some cases, the bodies of enemies were consumed in order to absorb the enemies' strength; in other cases, the bodies of ancestors and relatives were consumed so that they would live on in the diners.

Then again, we live in a culture in which people would run vomiting to the bathroom if they saw what went into making their McDonald's hamburgers, in which a cow is brutally killed with blunt-force trauma, its innards are outered, and then the whole thing is ground up into a mealy paste, intestines, feces, bones and all.

With McDonald's, you can mentally blank out the process in favor of focusing on the tasty fat-and-gristle laden product. With cannibalism, there is a nearly unavoidable tendency to linger on the details of the process -- removing the limbs, peeling the skin, roasting it over an open flame, etc., etc. And do we really taste like chicken?


The word cannibalism comes from the Arawakan language name for the Carib Indians of the West Indies (Arawakan was a major South American Indian language group). The Caribs were well known for their practice of cannibalism. The word cannibalism is also used in a zoological sense to refer to the eating of any animal species by another member of the same species. Wolves, for instance, will devour each other when desperately hungry.

Among humans cannibalism has been widespread in prehistoric and primitive societies on all continents. It is still believed to be practiced in remote areas of the island of New Guinea. It existed until recently in parts of West and Central Africa, Sumatra, Melanesia, and Polynesia; among various Indian tribes of North and South America; and among the aborigines of Australia and the Maoris of New Zealand.

The reasons for cannibalism have varied. Sometimes there was simply limited food. Some groups liked the taste of human flesh. But mostly the reasons had to do with revenge or punishment for crimes, ceremony and ritual, or magic. Some victorious tribes ate their dead enemies. In some rituals the deceased body was eaten by relatives, as a manner of reverence for their ancestors, or in a pious desire for the soul of the dead to be reborn in the body of the consumer. This is called endocannibalism. In primitive rites that involved human sacrifice, parts of the body were often eaten. Headhunters, for example, often consumed certain parts of a body to gain powers of the dead person. Also, in Mexico, men representing the gods were periodically sacrificed and eaten to identify the participant with the deity.


Civilized people have to resort to cannibalism from time to time, as a mean of survival, under desperate circumstances. The story of the Donner party is one of the more tragic incidents in American frontier history. A group of about 90 immigrants led by George Donner was caught in a blinding snowstorm high in the Sierra Nevada range of California in October 1846. Survivors, who made their way out early in 1847, had been forced to resort to eating the flesh of their dead comrades to survive.

Survival cannibalism was made famous by the film Alive, based on the 1972 air crash in the Andes, when surviving members of the Uruguayan rugby team ate the dead to stay alive.


While modern societies have proven largely sympathetic to "survival cannibalism" - eating others on the grounds of nutritional necessity - many remain uncomfortable with the notion of the ritualistic consumption of human flesh - however consensual the act may be.


For cannibalism has frequently been used as a means to demonise others: Medieval Christian culture frequently depicted the Jew who had a taste for the blood of Christian babies. The allied against the Germans, and the Western against the communists during the Cold War.

Earlier this year the United Nations accused rebels in the Democratic Republic of Congo of cannibalising their enemies, and of forcing families of the victims to eat the organs of their relatives.

The Aztecs are believed to have practised cannibalism on a large scale as part of the ritual religious sacrifice of war captives and other victims in a practice known as exocannibalism - the eating of strangers or enemies.

Aboriginal Australians are meanwhile believed to have taken part in what is seen as a more benevolent form of cannibalism - endocannibalism - the consumption of friends and relatives, who are usually dead.

In this case, the body of a dead person was ritually eaten by his relatives as a means of allowing his spirit to live on.

And somewhere between ritual and survival lies the case of the Fore tribe in Papua New Guinea, who engaged in cannibalistic practices from the end of the 19th century until the 1950s.

While the men of the Fore tribe supplemented their bean-and-sweet-potato diets with small game, women and children made up for their lack of protein by eating the brains of tribal members who had recently died.

Some scientists hold the practice responsible for incidences of a fatal brain disease, the symptoms of which are similar to the human form of mad cow disease, although other experts have disputed the link.

In 15th century Scotland, a highlander named Sawney Beane and his wife lived in a remote mountain pass, where they subsisted on a steady diet of unfortunate travelers, which they also fed to their 14 children, and a number of incestuous grandchildren. Needless to say, when the civilized world found out about this, their outrage was so great that they executed the entire family, amputating the limbs of the men so that they bled to death, and burning the women and children at the stake.


Breaking a taboo

In many countries, the consumption of human flesh is not itself a crime.

Perpetrators tend to be convicted on the basis of accompanying acts: Mr Meiwes, for example, was not charged with cannibalism, but with murder for "sexual satisfaction".

A number of high-profile cannibal cases have involved the eating of flesh in a sexual context.

Albert Fish, who has been called America's Bogeyman, raped, murdered and ate a number of children during the 1920s. He claimed to have experienced immense sexual pleasure as a result.

Russian serial killer Andrei Chikatilo, who murdered at least 53 people between 1978 and 1990, also indulged in cannibalism. His crimes were linked to sexual problems.

But what distinguishes Mr Meiwes' self-confessed sexual cannibalism from killers such as Fish and Chikatilo, or acts committed by peoples such as the Aztecs or the Congolese rebels, is the ostensibly consensual nature of his act.

Mr Meiwes met the man he was ultimately to eat, 43-year-old Bernd-Jurgen Brandes, in early 2001, after advertising on websites for "young, well-built men aged 18 to 30 to slaughter".

Mr Meiwes told investigators he took Mr Brandes back to his home, where Mr Brandes agreed to have his penis cut off, which Mr Meiwes then flambeed and served up to eat together.

Mr Meiwes says he then killed Mr Brandes with his consent.

But the allegedly consensual nature of the act has done nothing to pacify German disgust.

Whether Mr Meiwes' victim was willing or not, eating another for anything less than necessity remains a taboo in the modern world.

Ian
15th July 2004, 06:55
Aboriginal Australians are meanwhile believed to have taken part in what is seen as a more benevolent form of cannibalism - endocannibalism - the consumption of friends and relatives, who are usually dead.

In this case, the body of a dead person was ritually eaten by his relatives as a means of allowing his spirit to live on.

This was not a widespread practice (if it even happened), the only place I have ever heard of Cannibal-Kooris, apart from this thread, is a fund raising book for Pauline Hanson's (a notoriously far-right-wing Australian politician, the fish-and-chip shop piece of shit) One Nation Party.

Now you may be thinking 'Well in that case it may be less credible, being from a political party's media outlets, but that doesn't fully discount it', but this fund-raising book (which I have been trying to find and read, any help would be appreciated) talked about Cannibal Female Kooris eating their children and a robot Prime Minister taking office in 2050.

I wouldn't believe that without further proof. And a word of advice, there are a lot of Australian academic you can't trust, and it seems every single one of them have weighed into issues concerning Aboriginal Australians.

But, I wouldn't mind if a friend of mine ate me after death... as long as they don't overcook me.

ÑóẊîöʼn
15th July 2004, 07:21
Cannibalism of already dead people I have no problem with - except if it done for religious rather than nutritional reasons.

Cannibalism of still living people, whether consenting or not, I consider a mental illness at best and a dangerous psychosis at worst.

Wiesty
15th July 2004, 19:02
I just find canablism
Your not suppose to eat members of your own kind

I could see myself becoming a cannibal if it post- apocolypse and everythign was dead except humans

Ziggy
15th July 2004, 19:23
i dont have a problem with survival cannibalism and ritual cannibalism, unless the person is murdered for the ritual then i think it is wrong. If the person used died of natural causes then i feel who am i to judge.

BOZG
15th July 2004, 19:25
I have no problem if someone consents to have their flesh consumed after they're dead or even if they're alive and wish to do so for sexual reasons.

Sabocat
15th July 2004, 19:30
Mmmmm....the smell of Long Pig roasting over an open fire....

Subversive Pessimist
15th July 2004, 19:40
I have no problem if someone consents to have their flesh consumed after they're dead or even if they're alive and wish to do so for sexual reasons.


I agree.
I think it's nice that we can talk about such taboos like cannibalism. Maybe the world is opening up, bit by bit. :)

BOZG
15th July 2004, 19:42
I'm also not opposed to consensual necrophilia. If someone wishes to have their corpse sexed over, I have no problem with it.

Subversive Pessimist
15th July 2004, 20:04
I agree with you, again. :)

I wonder what human flesh tastes like.. I mean properly prepared. Maybe it's good?

Ziggy
15th July 2004, 20:21
justice, if i ever get a skin removal scarification tattoo, you can have the skin and serve it up with some fava beans and a nice chianti :lol: but i would expect to be invited to dine on my own skin with you

Stapler
15th July 2004, 20:34
Idi Amin is my hero.

Subversive Pessimist
15th July 2004, 20:36
Cool, thanks Ziggy :D

Maybe we can make it spicy, and it'll taste like the chicken skin... :lol:

Ziggy
15th July 2004, 20:56
sounds ravishing

Jesus Christ
15th July 2004, 21:27
I have no problem with ritual cannibalism or survival cannibalism
the only circumstance i would have any problem with the practice is if the person being consumed had not consented first

Don't Change Your Name
15th July 2004, 23:41
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 06:42 AM
Survival cannibalism was made famous by the film Alive, based on the 1972 air crash in the Andes, when surviving members of the Uruguayan rugby team ate the dead to stay alive.
This reminds me of that Simpson's episode where Marge was scared of flying in airplanes ("...the important thing is that we are alive!" "yeah!" - eating noises - pass me the copilot's leg"...)

Anyway, I guess that people started getting buried for some ritual or because they didnt like the idea of having their friends lying around dead in the floor. Or maybe because of some kind of "mad cow" disease (they could have thought it was "the evil spirits" or something). Or maybe they thought a plant with meat would come out of the grass if they did or something. :lol: Does anybody know?

Cannibalism is not "evil". it could help stopping poverty, you know. But it should work as organ's donation does.

Anyway, i'm cutting this off. I got hungry :o

mark_d
16th July 2004, 03:46
Here's the problem with cannibalism:

Humans, along with other meat-eating animals, have certain enzymes in their stomach that are very good at digesting and processing the meat of all animal, except their own kind. This makes cannibalism very unhealthy. Cannibalism leads to buildup of meat, and in turn, bacteria in the stomack and intestinal tracts, which emmits a horrible stench from the cannibal (this has been documented significantly, especially in lions that eat their own)

Just another one of those beautiful evolutionary traits that we've all inherited

Xvall
16th July 2004, 05:55
Cannibalism is unhealthy, but far from a 'crime', unless you intentionally kill the person just for the sake of eating them. I see no problem with cannibalism. If someone wants to give themselves up for cannibalistic purposes, I think that's a fine idea.

refuse_resist
16th July 2004, 06:52
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 08:04 PM
I agree with you, again. :)

I wonder what human flesh tastes like.. I mean properly prepared. Maybe it's good?
I don't wanna know :lol:

mark_d
16th July 2004, 13:22
I see no problem with cannibalism. If someone wants to give themselves up for cannibalistic purposes, I think that's a fine idea.

Yes, it's on'e right as a human to sacrifice yourself to others if one wishes to do so

scrap metal
18th July 2004, 04:00
I remember s tunt show, sort of like Punkd but way before, where they had a lot of contestants (roughly, 20, lets say) go through strenious physical tests (push-ups, sit-ups, chin-ups....many uppings of body parts) for aournd an hour, had them take a few mental quizes, and them revealed the challenge to them:

EAT HUMAN FLESH! (ok, it was really pork, but the people didn't know that)

I think there was a 10 to 50K grand prize, but the startling thing was, I believe 13 or 14 of them ate. Cannibalism is a little less taboo when you involve cash.