The Nazi (Part 1) - A report by Comrade Drake Dracoli..

[Xvall]

THE NAZI

I have recently attended the 'freedom fourms', which is a gathering of Nazis, Fascists, Communists, and the like. I should make a book out of this, but for now, I shall post it. I have examined the 'Nazi' closely, and seen how they work, and how they think. I have broken these nazis into two groups.

'National Socialists': These are the so called 'professional' Nazis. They deny the holocaust, and insist that the white race is superior by 'scientific evidence', all of which is horribly out of date, and written by racist men. These people are hard to debate with, because they will deny everything you throw at them. They tend to reply to any anti-nazi debates, by saying that you are infulenced by the 'Jewish-Controled Media'. They denounce Israeli occupation, and support Palestineans, and yet at the same time call them 'Towelheads' and 'Sand Niggers'.

SKINHEADS: These are the violent militiant Nazis that we are very used to. They suggest that all none-white, non-christian people be killed, or gassed. They don't type well, and generally support America. They are often banned, because unlike the 'national socialists', they acknowledge and openly support the holocaust. One example of these was Aryan Soldier, who was banned by his own fellow nazis for acknolwedging the holocaust. They saw him as a threat, and he no longer posts on the fourm.

I'll add more on this later. I'm begining to find out what makes these guys tick.

- Drake Dracoli

[deadpool 52]

It is impossible to argue with them because their whole arguements rests on priori beliefs. The only way to exterminate this ignorance is through education.

[El Brujo]

They'r all too stupid to be considered human and deserve none other than getting their asses kicked. Arguing with them is like arguing with 3 year olds.

[Xvall]

Example of a Debate with Nazis

Drake: So, what do you have to say about the Holocaust.

Nazi: IT IS JUST A LIE SPREAD BY THE JEWISH CONTROLED MEDIA TO BRANEWASH U INTO THINKING THAT THE JEW R GOOD BUT THEY R NOT BECUZ THEY ARE MURDERUS PEOPLE WHO SHULD DIE!! HEIL HITRLER! 88

Drake: I see.. Well, then explain these old pictures of dead women and children!

Nazi: ITS QUITE CLLEAR THATR THOSE PICTURES WERE PAINTEDF BY SOME PRO=JEWISH **** WHO IS SIDING WITH THE JEWS THE SKY IS NOT EVEN BLUE.

Drake: The sky isn't supposed to be blue. It's in black and white...

Nazi: U STUPID COMMIE SON UV A ***** YOU SHOULD BE SHOT AND KILLED 4 UR ARROGANSE U DAM JEWISH SPIK SOB HITLER SHUD HAVE KILLED U!

And so.. The pointless argument continues..

[sabre]

oh god, i joined freedomforums about a month ago, posted twice, and then just left becaus its worthless

[RedRevolutionary87]

ok id just like to make one comment about skin-heads that i just learned last week. it turns out not all skinheads are nazis, i was talkin to my friend the other day and he shaves his head, and i asked him if he was a skinhead and he said yes, he explained that being a skinhead is mostly loyalty to your friends, and only poser skinheads are nazis. i kno hes not a racist skinhead since he is african american

(Edited by RedRevolutionary87 at 9:34 pm on April 21, 2002)

[chupacabra]

Americans are NAzis. They do not have to shave their heads or wear stormtrooper boots. They are the worst kind of Nazi, the kind who puts a smile on their face and then stabs you in the back, like what they are doing in Palestine.

[Reuben]

chubacabra, i am not an american. Yet surely you define whether someody is a nazi, on the basis of their beliefs and actions rather then their nationality

[deimos]

chupacabra, thats absolutely stupid!

[Hayduke]

Joined but left the facking place a few days later.......
It took me hours to load the nazi pictures and everything and the debates are stupid and pointless.....

[RedCeltic]

I joined Freedomforums... than after seeing what seemed like Nazi's on parade.. I mean post after post of sick twisted Hitler lovers I left without ever posting... probobly the only BB I've ever joined without posting on.

[Fires of History]

In my experiences with 'Skinheads,' I find that most of them are frustrated and insecure, perhaps those who played 'army' too often as a kid, and liked Rambo, G. I. Joe, and toy guns WAY too much. They seek to fill this void of insecurity (the same insecurity all teenagers experience when going through a period of self-actualization to discover their true identity), and fill this void with the absurd notion that they are superior to others simply by virtue of the color of their skin.

It is truly sad to see people is such awful psychological states. I wouldn't consider the 'Skinheads' I know as true fascists, as being a true fascist requires at least a touch of philosophical understanding. They are simply racists, and their racism is born out of self-doubt.

Most are simply sexually-frustrated, angry, self-doubting youth trying to inflate their self-esteem through notions of racial superiority. They are unable to see any other way in which they might be superior (as they cannot rely on their intelligence, service, or achievements), and as such they blindly subscribe to the most base reasoning for superiority: skin color.

And denying the Holocaust is simply so absurd that there's really no point in even arguing with them on that one.

[RedCeltic]

I like your analogy FOH. Perhaps it's an indication of self doubt, feeling inaduquite about something.. "Sexual fustration" could be a big cause of it for sure... and express this anger and hate in order to achive two things...

1) draw atention to themselves.

2) feel superiority over a person/group.

[I Will Deny You]

I've never been to Freedom Forums, and from what you all have wrote, I don't intend to go anytime soon. HBO did a documentary on Nazis on the Internet that my friend taped. I'll look over it again and tell you if it says anything about Freedom Forums.

Trance, you were dead-on in your description of the average neo-Nazi. I'm not about to do some "woe-is-me" type bullshit and describe a few quarrels between Poor Lindsay and the Big Bad Nazis, but what you said parallels my experiences a lot. It's not easy to say, "I'm not doing well in school because I'm not as smart as the other kids," or, "No one wants to fuck me because I'm ugly and annoying." But it's very easy to say, "I'm failing because the kikes are keeping me down!" or, "All the girls want to fuck niggers." Not all racists are insecure and it would be doing an injustice to groups on all sides of racism to reduce it to a lack of self-confidence. However, modern racists are playing on prejudice more than ever. Jews (who I am using as an example simply because they're the most common target of neo-Nazis) have assimilated into mainstream WASP culture to the point where white people hold anti-semitic beliefs at 1/3 of the rate that black people do! Of course, no neo-Nazi would ever venture into a black neighborhood during a recruiting session. So what today's neo-Nazi leaders and organizers do is try to make new racists out of normal kids, instead of playing on racist traditions held by families like they did in the past. In order to turn an average kid into a racist, they have to play on his insecurity. (And it's almost always a him.) "Do you suck at baseball? It's because the monkeys and spics are taking over the game!" "You don't have any friends because all Americans are out to destroy pure Aryans like yourself!"

[RedRevolutionary87]

again we can aply freud's teachings to nazi hatered, sexual inatequacy:)

[Reuben]

FO~H i agree with y9ou completely, youve really opened my eyes, I dont feel like talking to nazis when I dont have to so I probably wont look.

Your right it is down to insecurity, and if somebody has nothing to be proud of they resort to "Iam proud because i am white"

Lindsay, i think that the jewish american community may be more assimilated than the British community. I definitely find it very hard to believe what you are saying about it being more common amongst african-americans. This has never been my experienc, though I know that people like farrakhan tend to harbour more hate for jews thatn non-ethnic minority whites. to what extent do they take on traditional european myths such as the conspiracy theory.

Here in britain the jewish establishment, the board of deputies, has very much tried to distance itself from the black community, although there have been quite a few antiracist cross cultural initiatives. I think there is still quite a lot of anti-black feeling in the british jewish community, i know my grandmother used to go on about 'schwarzers' (derogatory yiddish word for blacks).

Anyway, all nazis are scum, though I wish they could be sidelined more easily. looks lke they are making a comeback

[queen of diamonds]

unfortunately, nazis will be around so long as there are people around looking for a scapegoat to their problems.....

[chupacabra]

Hey, that's my opinion! I still don't like America! I am very anti-Yankee, so to me what they are doing to the Palestinians is exactly the same thing that the Nazis did to the Jews. Funny how history always has a tendency to repeat itself!

[komsomol]

Quote: from chupacabra on 3:42 pm on April 23, 2002
I am very anti-Yankee, so to me what they are doing to the Palestinians is exactly the same thing that the Nazis did to the Jews.

OK, so you think that the Americans are persecuting the palistinians, beating them up, putting them into slave labour, starving them and gasing them? The only American crime on this is that they aren't doing enough, although I personnally would like to see other countries help instead, but shiron wont listen to them.

[chupacabra]

yes, they are persecuting them and beating them, using the Israeli arm to do it. Each day they are taking the dreams of Palestinian children to live in peace and security. 50% of Palestinians live below the poverty line.
Israel gives Palestine only 20% of the water, Israel controls all the water. Yes, what they are doing is the same thing. Listen, I happen to know even Jewish people who feel this way.

[Moskitto]

I'm going to go onto freedom forums and post about how the Khmers are the master race as a laugh and use Nazi reasoning to see how they react. It'll be quite humourous.

[komsomol]

Quote: from chupacabra on 7:20 pm on April 23, 2002
yes, they are persecuting them and beating them, using the Israeli arm to do it. Each day they are taking the dreams of Palestinian children to live in peace and security. 50% of Palestinians live below the poverty line.
Israel gives Palestine only 20% of the water, Israel controls all the water. Yes, what they are doing is the same thing. Listen, I happen to know even Jewish people who feel this way.


OK, I'll take your word for it. I dont think they are doing it to quite the extent as the Nazis did and they are doing it indirectly too. Fuck amerikkka, although I dont understand your hatred of americans in general. Sureley we are all individuals or part of the whole human population on this planet, its the nazis who divided us up into groups, be carefull of stereotyping comrade. I bet you you only hate the majority of americans.

[I Will Deny You]

Go Khmers! They're the best! You're hilarious, Moskitto.

Reuben - In America, over half of the reform Jews of our generation will marry goyem. The Hasidim stick to themselves and will never assimilate, but for the most part Jews have mixed in with mainstream American culture. There are still a few Jews (like my mother and most people in her family) who aren't super-religious but are very Jewish in a cultural sense, and when you talk to them you really don't feel like you're talking to an American. They're from their own semi-secular Jewish unvierse . . . which is probably made out of lox an cream cheese. I never really felt like I was in any of those three little Jewish niches. I didn't feel completely comfortable assimilated, I'm sure not Hasidic but since only one of my parents is a Jew, I never felt at home in the Jewniverse. In the 1960's black people were far less likely to be anti-semites, but unfortunately it doesn't seem that way today.

[queen of diamonds]

i don't think the US is playing the Nazi role in the middle east - the Nazis did it because they had certain beliefs, however repugnant they may be to us today. The US is doing it for other, less idealistic reasons

[Moskitto]

Yeah that's a good idea, I could also use it as a subtle undertone to explain why Pol Pot wasn't a communist.

Nazi - You do know that Pol Pot's Jewish, Nigger, communist regime killed 10 million people.

Pol Pot - Oh dear, the superiority of the pure Khmer race shows again. There were never 10 milllion people in Cambodia to start off with. And Pol Pot a communist? No way, he was a bloody hero, he destroyed all the impure races living in Cambodia, A communist with his false Vietnamese notion of equality would have allowed the impures to live. The impure and overweight white blood which burns in the sun can't handle the greatness of the Khmer empire. The Barbaric unclean westerners are blind to not see the radiance of the Khmer empire. One day the west will fall to our spears as the Vietnamese did.

(That was sarcasm, I actually think Pol Pot was the most evil person who ever lived)

Hey, Pro-Nazi are actually pretty easy to write, they aren't very intellectually challenging.