I might be going to Venezuela in the near future

[Y2A]

Indeed. It turns out that my mother has found her "long-lost" little brother today. My family in Lima has been calling non-stop here to tell my mom that my uncle called telling them that he is in Venezuela. They haven't seen each other in 24 years. So, my mom said that she might go to Venezuela to see him since he is in Venezuela illlegally and told me if she went would I go with her, and I said yes. I wonder what the hell my uncle has been doing in Venezuela for 24 yrs?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 06:23 PM
I wonder what the hell my uncle has been doing in Venezuela for 24 yrs?
Well if you don't know, we sure don't.

[fernando]

It's cool, I mean you are going to meet your uncle and all! :)

[DaCuBaN]

Well whilst your there be sure to show your solidarity with the working class of the country - they have long been exploited for their oil, and now things may well be changing for the better :)

[Comrade Marcel]

Hopefully, I will be goign to Venezuela for the World Festival of Youth and Students in 2005.

[fernando]

I hope the Yanks wont fuck it up if Chavez wins the elections

[Y2A]

I'm really a CIA spy looking to kill Chavez Mhahahahahaa!

Anyway, there is not "set date" but I will be going there soon. To a city called Barcelona where my uncle lives.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 11:16 PM
I hope the Yanks wont fuck it up if Chavez wins the elections
Don't worry, we will.

I can't wait.

[Abajo con el imperialismo]

yanks always cry when they lose so I have no doubt they will try to pull something after chavez win

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Abajo con el [email protected] 15 2004, 07:27 PM
yanks always cry when they lose so I have no doubt they will try to pull something after chavez win
Fortunately, we hardy ever lose.

[FatFreeMilk]

While you're down there see what's up with Chavez and all them.

Man meeting "long lost" family members can be akward. I met my sister a few years ago, we hardly ever talk now.

Hope your deal works out.

[Y2A]

The women there should be nice. Hopefully my family there are the type of people that like to get drunk as hell and have some fun.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Bring them some Big Macs, Coca-cola, and dollar bills.

Oh, and some cheap plastic crap from Wal-mart. Heck, the kids down the street from them probably made it anyway.

[canikickit]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 15 2004, 05:20 PM
Don't worry, we will.

I can't wait.
Damn straight! You guys better get that democracy in there quick, fast! Venuzuela needs liberation.

[refuse_resist]

Venezuela would be great to check out. I've always wanted to go there myself :D


Don't worry, we will.

I can't wait.

The Yanks should keep out of Venezuela, for their sake.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 05:07 PM
Venezuela would be great to check out. I've always wanted to go there myself :D



The Yanks should keep out of Venezuela, for their sake.

The Yanks should keep out of Venezuela, for their sake.

LOL, what the heck does that mean? You don't study too much history, do you?

You think that we would be scared of the chavez regime? It only exists because we continue to allow it to.

Explain yourself.

[Stapler]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 16 2004, 07:16 PM


LOL, what the heck does that mean? You don't study too much history, do you?

You think that we would be scared of the chavez regime? It only exists because we continue to allow it to.
Chavez was democratically elected, painting him as a dictator is inaccurate. The people of Venezuela fanatically support Hugo Chavez, and any attempt by American intrests to influence the election will be met with violence.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 07:34 PM
Chavez was democratically elected, painting him as a dictator is inaccurate. The people of Venezuela fanatically support Hugo Chavez, and any attempt by American intrests to influence the election will be met with violence.
Yeah, violence against many Venezuelans

Perhaps you should check on the success rate of South American iunsurgents Vs. U.S. interests in south America.

Let me break it down for you: America: 100%, Forces contrary to U.S. interests: 0%

Fanatically support Chavez? Where were you for that popular coup attempt that happened about a year ago?

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 16 2004, 04:44 AM
Fortunately, we hardy ever lose.
Perfect example of the die-hard arrogant yankee spirit.

Your country is lossing its alleged indefinite glamour, son, God bless AmeriKa.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 08:17 PM
Perfect example of the die-hard arrogant yankee spirit.

Your country is lossing its alleged indefinite glamour, son, God bless AmeriKa.
That is a matter of opinion sir (or ma'am).

I think we get better every day.

Oh, and just wait 'til the Olympics

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 17 2004, 04:44 AM
That is a matter of opinion sir (or ma'am).

I think we get better every day.

Oh, and just wait 'til the Olympics
yes, a matter of opinion, but also A phenomenal OPINION aroung this globe. :P

Getting better everyday in being an imperialist? Leading astray to the ideals that your granpas and granmas fought for in their golden days for freedom? That 's BETTER~ ;)

Olympics? .... medals you mean? Ah... this answers my previous post~

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:07 PM
yes, a matter of opinion, but also A phenomenal OPINION aroung this globe. :P

Getting better everyday in being an imperialist? Leading astray to the ideals that your granpas and granmas fought for in their golden days for freedom? That 's BETTER~ ;)

Olympics? .... medals you mean? Ah... this answers my previous post~
If America simply conceded to opinion, we would be followers. However, we are leaders, so "global opinion" can take a flying you-know-what.

We created our own success, we earned it, and now that we are the big-dog, the player-haters all want to take a shot at us. Hey, what can I say? Its lonely at the top.

Maintaining global interests and a certain sphere of influence is not really imperialism per say, not territorial imperialism, anyway.

[Fidelbrand]

Yes, leaders in imperialism, fueling terrorism and asking allies for support and for the disdain of the environment, etc, etc.

Created success through imperializing your neighbors?
Yes, it can be lonely being "virtually" on the top when people around don't show respect for you guys deep inside theri hearts.

Thanks for the usual kiddie defintion for the embrace of "imperialism". haha,
who suggests that "maintaining global interests and having a certain sphere of influence" is imperialism? :shock:
Read your history textbook if you still want to justify your "terroritorial" definition of it in this contemporary era.

[Osman Ghazi]

Maintaining global interests and a certain sphere of influence is not really imperialism per say, not territorial imperialism, anyway.


When you use secret intelligence forces and guys with big guns to do it, then yes, it is imperialism. In fact, that is the exact definition. Hell, even having a 'sphere of influence' is imperialism. Do you think that China should have a sphere of influence over the United States? Probably not. Yet, for some reason its okay for America to control other countries as vassal states.

Can you do me a favour and explain to me how it is that you can justify America's imperialism, because you seem to be entirely at peace with it. I mean, why is it okay for America to bomb whoever they want but for Osama to kill Americans is a huge tragedy.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 07:36 AM

Thanks for the usual kiddie defintion for the embrace of "imperialism". haha,
who suggests that "maintaining global interests and having a certain sphere of influence" is imperialism? :shock:
Read your history textbook if you still want to justify your "terroritorial" definition of it in this contemporary era.
of course, of course, my definition is "kiddie", while yours is legitimate

surprise, surprise

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 17 2004, 03:57 PM

When you use secret intelligence forces and guys with big guns to do it, then yes, it is imperialism. In fact, that is the exact definition. Hell, even having a 'sphere of influence' is imperialism. Do you think that China should have a sphere of influence over the United States? Probably not. Yet, for some reason its okay for America to control other countries as vassal states.

Can you do me a favour and explain to me how it is that you can justify America's imperialism, because you seem to be entirely at peace with it. I mean, why is it okay for America to bomb whoever they want but for Osama to kill Americans is a huge tragedy.
We don't simply "bomb whoever we want".

We take determined action toward defined objectives in an effort to preserve American sovereignty and maintain our earned interests and sphere of influence, and our established targets are military ones. Collateral damage is incidental.

Osama puroposefully targeted and killed civilians exclusively.

[Osman Ghazi]

We don't simply "bomb whoever we want".

If there is someone you want to bomb, do you? Yes. Therefore, you bomb whoever you want.


We take determined action toward defined objectives in an effort to preserve American sovereignty and maintain our earned interests and sphere of influence, and our established targets are military ones.

My meaningless rhetoric metre is off the charts.

But seriously, how exactly did you 'earn' your spheres of influence, unless killing people counts as 'earning' these days.


popular coup attempt

Coups are not generally popular, because if they were truly popular, they would be revolutions. If they had mass support, why did they try to use the military to take over the government?

The funniest thing about CI's fucked-up ideology is that if (hypothetical situation here) China invaded the US and conquered them, that would be right because the strong have the right to rule the weak.

[Louis Pio]

The funniest thing about CI's fucked-up ideology is that if (hypothetical situation here) China invaded the US and conquered them, that would be right because the strong have the right to rule the weak.


Yes following CI's views if your strong you should kick those at the bottom. I take it rape is also ok in his oppinion since the strong man forces his will on the woman.
Also nice to see CI come clean about that he don't give a shit about democracy, it's always good to know what kind of people you are dealing with.

Anyway on the subject, have a good trip and see what's going on. Chavez is sure to win the elections but the opposition has stepped up their campaign of violence to try destabalise the country. The good thing is that their thug methods is giving them less support. The USA can't invade Venezuela, they have their hands full and they know it would upset a large part of their latino community. They will probably try to get Colombia to do their dirty work with the help of their druglord friends (the cali cartell which they got to know while chasing Pablo Escobar).

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 18 2004, 05:42 PM


The funniest thing about CI's fucked-up ideology is that if (hypothetical situation here) China invaded the US and conquered them, that would be right because the strong have the right to rule the weak.
Osman, I want you to explain to me how you concluded that I think that the strong have a right to rule the weak. Do you have a specific quote from me that states this? Or a series of quotes that allows you to draw this conclusion?


My meningless rhetoric meter seems to be off the charts now, sir.

Anyway, please elaborate.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 06:22 PM

Yes following CI's views if your strong you should kick those at the bottom. I take it rape is also ok in his oppinion since the strong man forces his will on the woman.
Also nice to see CI come clean about that he don't give a shit about democracy, it's always good to know what kind of people you are dealing with.

Anyway on the subject, have a good trip and see what's going on. Chavez is sure to win the elections but the opposition has stepped up their campaign of violence to try destabalise the country. The good thing is that their thug methods is giving them less support. The USA can't invade Venezuela, they have their hands full and they know it would upset a large part of their latino community. They will probably try to get Colombia to do their dirty work with the help of their druglord friends (the cali cartell which they got to know while chasing Pablo Escobar).
I wouldn't be opposed to a proxy state handling this one, but in theory, we've successfully fought multi-theater wars before, we can do it again.


Also nice to see CI come clean about that he don't give a shit about democracy, it's always good to know what kind of people you are dealing with.

An inaccurate assesment to say the least. I call on you as I did Osman, how do you figure?

[Louis Pio]

I wouldn't be opposed to a proxy state handling this one, but in theory, we've successfully fought multi-theater wars before, we can do it again.


Well with a draft it would maybe be possible. But they don't want another vietnam on their hands. US involvement in Venezuela would lead to that. In the sense that your would actually be removing a democratically elected president that enjoys support from far over 70% of the population, because of his social reforms. You don't have to be a genius to see what effect that would have on your troops and on the population at home.


An inaccurate assesment to say the least. I call on you as I did Osman, how do you figure?

Well you want a democratically elected president removed because of economic interests. Summa summarum you don't belive in democracy but only capitalism.
I know your type likes to hide behind the word democracy but when it comes down to economic interests vs democracy you choose the first.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 05:13 PM

Well with a draft it would maybe be possible. But they don't want another vietnam on their hands. US involvement in Venezuela would lead to that. In the sense that your would actually be removing a democratically elected president that enjoys support from far over 70% of the population, because of his social reforms. You don't have to be a genius to see what effect that would have on your troops and on the population at home.



Well you want a democratically elected president removed because of economic interests. Summa summarum you don't belive in democracy but only capitalism.
I know your type likes to hide behind the word democracy but when it comes down to economic interests vs democracy you choose the first.
I would ask, was it the will of the people that the president break the law and storm a Coca-Cola factory, claiming a soveriegn, legitimate bsiness "for the people"?

Besides, do you really trust the legitimacy of any south American election?


One more thing, there will never be "another vietnam". That is such a canned phrase used by leftists who simply disagree with certain american actions. Vietnam was its own entity,as any present action is or future action will be. World politics are much to complicated to simply compare one operation to another, especially when comparing to a 40 year-old war.

[Louis Pio]

I would ask, was it the will of the people that the president break the law and storm a Coca-Cola factory, claiming a soveriegn, legitimate bsiness "for the people"?


Let me ask you. Is it legitimate for a president to go against those who have made a coup against him? Because that's all what he has been doing and quite soft actually.


Besides, do you really trust the legitimacy of any south American election?


Well it will probably be more fair than the american. And besides from that there will be lot of obsevateurs. Let's hope they don't use US machines to count the votes, there seems to be lot of problems with those...


One more thing, there will never be "another vietnam". That is such a canned phrase used by leftists who simply disagree with certain american actions. Vietnam was its own entity,as any present action is or future action will be. World politics are much to complicated to simply compare one operation to another, especially when comparing to a 40 year-old war.

Yes I know but I think we both know that the US administration fear something similar. It's hard for a soldier to attack a country were the president enjoys massive support because he have actually tried to give better conditions for the vast majority of the country. This will deffinitely disillusion alot of the troops and expose alot of the empty phrases about democracy used by the administration and people like you.

Once again I will assert that you don't support democracy but only capitalism. You support a coup against a democratically elected president, just because of economic interests. And you don't care about the vast majority of Venezuelans who for the first time have acces to medical treatment for free, free education and so on. All the things a civilised society provides.