Bitter Irony

[Hawker]

Have you guys ever noticed that when you talk bad about Bush,patriots always consider you a traitor?

The irony with American Patriotism is that people say that they are loyal to the state,but they're really loyal to the President.It's like the British and their loyalty not the state but the Monarch.Isn't it ironic?

[Guerrilla22]

Indeed, one of the thingss that drives me crazy is when someone says you shouldn't criticize the president during war time.

[Commie Girl]

I don't know the U$ Constitution, but a fellow from the U$ told me that it is their duty, under the constitution, to question and challenge the President....anyone know about this?

[DaCuBaN]

It's like the British and their loyalty not the state but the Monarch.Isn't it ironic?

Unlike the US where you are infested with a wierd kind of patriotic fervor, the UK participates in no such nonsense, be it in the name of a state or a monarch. Those few monarchists left are just that - few.

As to the analogy of Bush being King of America: fair enough.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 01:38 AM
I don't know the U$ Constitution, but a fellow from the U$ told me that it is their duty, under the constitution, to question and challenge the President....anyone know about this?
it doesn't say anything like that in there, but many Americans feel that it is their patriotic duty to question the government, I hope these people show up and vote in November.

[Pawn Power]

you make a fair point, their is a big difference in loyalty and loving your leader and loyalty and loving your state.

HATE YOUR STATE!!!

[insurgency03]

honestly who could love W anyways (except Ann coulter but then again who could love her YUUUK!),

ur leader is merely supposed to be a tool of the people, the people arnt supposed to be his tools dammit!

[Hawker]

The greatest irony of all is the American Revolution was to free the US from the rule of a king,but the people ended up eventually pledging allegiance to another king,the president.

I do believe that the president is king because he not only has political but military power.For example he can change the vote of the senate with the point of a gun.

The US constitution is a failure,it was from the start,even Ben Franklin knew it was a failure he even said that the constitution would fail to bring democracy to the US because there was so many loose ends.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 02:41 AM
Unlike the US where you are infested with a wierd kind of patriotic fervor, the UK participates in no such nonsense, be it in the name of a state or a monarch. Those few monarchists left are just that - few.


A friend of mine was recently in an argument with an Irish person, who had lived in England for a while and become a Tory, but who now argues for the need of a monarchy in Ireland. He apparently made quite a passionate argument for it.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 08:38 PM
I don't know the U$ Constitution, but a fellow from the U$ told me that it is their duty, under the constitution, to question and challenge the President....anyone know about this?
He may have been referring to this in the "Declaration of Independence"


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

[Abajo con el imperialismo]

the president might be a puppet of someone behind no one really knows.
I dont think someone who only has 4 to 8 years in presidency will truly be the power there must be someone holding all the secrets cia maybe someone else.

[h&s]

the president might be a puppet of someone behind no one really knows.
Yes we do, the puppet masters are the heads of those multi-national mega-rich corporations who "donated" money to the presidential campaign, and now have legislation that suits them.