Right to bear arms - should it be allowed??

[Kingnothing]

The right to bear arms tends to be caracterized in an NRA style fascist way. But it is also true that during the spanish civil war, the leftists parties distributed weapons to the workers and the basis of revoltion is having a armed band which is basically formed by peasents and workers. So what do you think???? Should people have the right to bear firearms??

(Edited by Kingnothing at 8:04 pm on April 19, 2002)

[bleed3r]

When a person or group of people breaks into your house would a gun not give you a better chance at possibly defending your family and yourself?? Maybe when the world follows communistic ideals there will be no need to keep a gun because there will be nothing to defend against... But as it currently stands, at least in the U$, I believe it does serve a purpose, depending on the area of course...

[Xvall]

It is a right. Although I hope firearms will eventually be abolished. Then again, we could always live like people do in Vietnam, and train our children in how to use crossbows and machetes.

- Drake Dracoli

[BOZG]

I don't agree with having firearms in principle and I also hope they will be eventually abolished but with the ignorance and greed in capitalist society, I believe the only way to destroy is through armed revolution.

[FtWfTn]

Yea I'm not a big fan of guns. The fact that I know little about them doesn't help I suppose. I dunno. . .I want a society where guns aren't neccessary and where you'll feel so safe going to school. . .work.. .walking in an alley. . . .maybe I'm just being to far fetched. But I do believe we should start moving beyond just posting on a website.

[GuerillaTactics]

the right to bare arms has so many restrictions on it in the states......its not even worth the hassel i think sometimes........but...........thats why they put so many restrictions..........so people wont arm themselves........but me personaly..........i couldnt live without a gun

[deimos]

I think the workers should only get firearms to fight for a revolution or against fascists in a cicil war.

[RedRevolutionary87]

well i think it will serve a purpose, itll be a way for people to change their government if it corrupts

[Moskitto]

I'm a Brit so i'd rather keep my trusty 7 inch block carving knife nearby.

[liderDeFARC]

So what does being british have to do with anything?

[PunkRawker677]

i am absolutely and completly for abolishing fire arms.. firearms create circumstances for petty crimes, and serious crimes such as homicide. If the guy breaking in to you house DIDNT have a gun, why would u need one?

in a house with a gun:

if you have a child, he/she is 5 times more likely to commit suicide, and 95% more likely to have a fatal injury.

If you dont have a child, firearm injuries and homicides are 20% more likely in homes with firearms..

hmm..

we can do with out them.. there should be no need for every person to have a gun..

if its for a 'revolutionary' purpose, then they can get guns illegally.. (no one is taking over the country with hand guns, they would need to get heavy artillery illegally anyways)..

so - abolishing firearms doesnt prevent change to the goverment..

[Zippy]

Quote: from liderDeFARC on 4:03 am on April 20, 2002
So what does being british have to do with anything?
It means we dont have firearms in our country.

Zippy.

[Son of Scargill]

Well,we do have shotguns,and low calibre pistols and rifles(not quite sure of the specs).Heavily regulated,of course.Most gun enthusiasts I know,have given it up because it is too much hassle nowadays.
Then there's the black market,which seems to be growing.But the quality of merchandise is supposedly suspect.Add to that the fact that they can do you for assault with a deadly weapon if you even brandish a stick in anger,makes carrying VERY high risk in the UK.Our armed police units have a very good record of shooting people carrying table legs and the like.
Personally I think they create more shit than they solve,and revolution doesn't neccesarily need weaponary.It depends on the situation.In the industrialised west,I believe armed revolution is doomed almost before it starts.Times and places my friends.

[El Che]

If you want to own a gun you should be required to have a licence for it. To get a licence you should undergo phycological and target practice tests.

[Moskitto]

Quote: from liderDeFARC on 4:03 am on April 20, 2002
So what does being british have to do with anything?


Aparantly because we're more crowded the British psycy prefers to use hand to hand weapons such as knifes. This is reflected in our murder by cause statistics.

It might also be due to the lack of gun availability over here.

[deimos]

but when you're looking at the statistics, you'll see that the "leader" is france!They've the highest murder by cause rate in western europe!

[thelonerevolutionry]

In the U$ why complain about having the right to bare arms. Its a capitalist society and the only way to change it is through an armed revolution. If they are giving us the opportunity why question it why not use it to lead a revolution and destroy them.

[Freedom Fighter]

Well - i think guns are important - if nobody was armed then what would stop an imperialist nation from walking all over you? (so even after the revolution theyre still necessary)- as for liscence, in my country they have that and its used by the government to keep guns away from anybody with believes differ from the governments.(if id told them i believed in revolution not reform when i got mine then i wouldnt have got it). And the entire liscence system is used to slowly disarm the public while the army is still armed to the fucking teeth. Too bad when they turn their guns of the people and we realise the goverment has taken ours away

[Freedom Fighter]

and abolishing guns dosent lower crime.... knives, bats, poison etc just become the weapons of choice

[RedRevolutionary87]

ya the thing is its alot easier to give everyone a gun,(you wouldnt rob a house that you knew the person had a gun), and make sure everyone has a weapon, instead of taking a away guns, it would be nearly imposible to make sure no1 has a gun. also guns would become sort of as a way for the people to protect themselves from their government, and it would eliminate the need for a government loyal army, instead you would have security without losing liberty

[PunkRawker677]

Freedom Fighter, LoneRevolutionary -

Guns are the weapon of choice because they are easier to use. Almost anyone can shoot another person. Take the same situation and put a knife there and i guarentee you that maybe 10% of the people, or less, will actually go through with the murder.

And as goes needing guns to overthrow goverment - well, what use it overthrowing the goverment if those same guns are killing all the people we are fighting for? i dont think you understand the amount of people who die a year from gun related causes, even just accidental cases.

so, guns should not be allowed in homes, unless under certain special circumstances (such as: if you are a recent victim of attempted murder, or being stalked, or something.)

guns can be bought on the black market, no matter what.

[ViktorPravda]

As a matter of fact, there is a testing, and background check you have to go through to get a license to carry a firearm in a lot of states in the US.
The whole reason that the "Right to bear arms" was included in the constitution is so that the "people" have a means and way to protect itself from government absolutism and attrocities. To protect ourselves from thugs in the gov't who are abusing their power. Groups like the DEA, ATF, etc. You know, the ones who don't use warrants, don't offer you peaceful alternatives, they just blow your door open and rush in guns ready to blaze. OOPS! did we just shoot an unarmed child holding a remote. Here put this unregistered firearm in his hand and we'll call him a gang member.
Also, Nazi Germany bragged about having complete registration of all firearms. The first nation to do it. Then when Hitler got out of hand, his men knew just where to go and who to kill.

[RedRevolutionary87]

how about training in school on how to use a gun, you are given a gun and 5 bullets, when you want more bullets you have to acuont for each bullet, and murder will also go down if the murderer knows his victim probably has a gun. the problem with getting rid of guns is just what you said about being able to get a gun anywhere, there is no way to make sure, but if you give everyone a gun then they are all equal, and you kno for sure everyone has a gun.

[ViktorPravda]

The biggest danger of guns, at least in my opinion, is that there are so many people out there who know nothing about them. I have seen friends who grew up anti-gun, never touched one, learn to love them in a matter of minutes while I'm training them. But, there must be a healthy respect. That is something that you can't get by just picking up a gun. You have to be taught that.

[RedRevolutionary87]

well thats is why i believe we need military training in schools, there are meny advantages to a people's militia. they eliminate political wars and only serve as defense for their way of life and not for the politition.

[Freedom Fighter]

PunkRawker677

I agree with you on the point that guns do make it way to easy to kill (but thats what theyre designed for)- but i do think it would be a lot higher than 10% because there are knives and stuff in a kitchen which in an anger driven murder could be used almost as easily(as an example). I think its important to remember the old saying Guns dont kill people, people kill people. I feel that guns are used as a scapegoat a lot of the time.

[deadpool 52]

If the gvt is taking over and they only have guns, we will get guns; then they will get tanks; and if we manage to get tanks they will always have nuclear bombs. But this apply to all countries.

It is a strong arguement against gun control to say that Great Britain and Japan have such a vast control on guns, and in the years they have received such a low number of murder/death/kills, far farther than the US, however we are in different circumstances than them, so it would hard to tell if the citizens of the US will be the same as in Japan and Great Britain.



Guns don't kill people, people kill people;
that's why I don't keep people in my house,
and when I do, I keep them locked up

[PunkRawker677]

<<saying Guns dont kill people, people kill people. I feel that guns are used as a scapegoat a lot of the time. >>

this goes back to my point that it is so much easier to kill people with a gun than with a knife, which is why it is so frequent. In countries where guns are banned, the crime rates are much much much much lower..

[RedRevolutionary87]

no i meant that the government is not allowed to have a standing army, people wont try and kill eachother simply because they kno theyre adversary also is armed, ofcorse if they truly want to kill someone they wont let them stop them, but it would be the same with an anti gun law

[Freedom Fighter]

Ok - in countries where guns are banned isnt it funny how you still see bank robbers robbing banks with guns?(gun control only takes guns away from law abiding people not the criminals). Punkrawker677 - in countries where guns are banned there is less gun related murder not less crime (if guns are banned people will simply get the next best thing(or the criminals will pull out there illegal weapons).(this may be a bad example but when i was a child i burned my hand on my mothers iron(was it the irons fault -NO) it was my fault for actulally burning myself and my mothers fault for leaving it in a dangerous place. Nobody ever talks of banning irons because we all know that an iron is just an object like a knife or even a gun(it takes a human element to make it dangerous). Ive had many firearms for many years and ive got in may heated arguments with my guns being just minutes away(under lock and key cause im safety concious) - ive never resorted to even THINKING of getting my guns out because the results are obvious. You can blame the weapon (guns/ baseball bats /knifes) all you want, it dosent change the fact that murder is murder not matter how easy it was. No matter what the circumstances i would never blame 3.5kgs of stainless steel for my wrongful actions(and like i said before its is almost as easy to use a knife - what i mean by that is that knives are in every kitchen in the world whereas responsible people take measures take precautions to make guns less dangerous by locking them away, should guns get the blame for irresponsible peoples actions? Or some peoples inability to keep in control?

[Hayduke]

The right to have a gun or other fire weaons is rubbish.......
Look how much people in America get killed by guns.....it is absolutely stupid.....Here in holland almost no one is murderd by guns...........

Stupid shit....

[Malvinas Argentinas]

the only function of a gun is to kill. The more instruments of death and injury can be removed from the society, the safer it will be.The by gunshot has become the leading cause of deaths among some social groups. Quite simply, guns are lethal, and the fewer people that have them the better.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Malvinas Argentinas on 8:19 pm on April 23, 2002
the only function of a gun is to kill. The more instruments of death and injury can be removed from the society, the safer it will be.The by gunshot has become the leading cause of deaths among some social groups. Quite simply, guns are lethal, and the fewer people that have them the better.

I agree completely comrades..

Guns

" know you look me in my eyes and tell me what it is good for "

" Absolutely nothing "

[RedRevolutionary87]

i have a question to you anti gun bearers, how do you plan to have domestic defense before communism is world wide, because you do understand that if there is a communist country it will automaticly be invaded by other world powers

[Freedom Fighter]

In my country we have guns and about 100 times more people die in car accidents( and a few hit and runs) than in shootings (ban them why dont you) - anything can be a weapon. It all depends on whos using it.... guns dont make people murderers and if you ban them then other weapons will just replace the guns (a lot of people get killed by knife attacks as well)

Quote : Aparantly because we're more crowded the British psycy prefers to use hand to hand weapons such as knifes. This is reflected in our murder by cause statistics.

It might also be due to the lack of gun availability over here.

Do you see how that works.. No guns so they use knives