the handicapped

[insurgency03]

b4 Any1 reads this, please keep this in mind:


THIS IS NOT MY IDEA NOR DO I SUPPORT THIS
(some might call me jackass, but im not this big of 1)

i was talking to someone the other day and they asked me why i think retarede people r here, it then lead to a conversation in which he was explaining an idea he had.

1st he said we should take the voting rights from every1 with an I.Q. below 90, dosnt sound that bad at fist to me, this idea of his, then he goes off and says we should systematicly eliminate the menatlly handicapped(I.E. down syndrome, cerebrel palsy, autism, reatrdation) and begin funding research to were we could abort any child with a sign of mental disability.

What a mean MF!! right
i mean the worlds fucked up, but killing handicapped peoples not the answer, we wouldnt be better off, would we? id appreciate any thoughts on this.

[synthesis]

First off, the IQ test bit has sort of been tried before, as a tool to keep blacks and other minorities from voting. The tests they gave them were far more culturally biased than the IQ test is, but the IQ test is still pretty in terms of bias.

Secondly, there is no justifiable purpose whatsoever to killing off the handicapped. The reason we have medical technology is to accomodate people who weren't dealt a kind card by nature. In many cases, people like your antagonist who argue for "natural selection" or "naturalism", in other words commiting the naturalistic fallacy, are simply arguing for barbarism because it a) makes them sound bad-ass and b) they think it will benefit them.

The Nazis supported something remarkably similar to this. They called it "eugenics." Somewhere between 200,000 and 300,000 handicapped people were exterminated in the Holocaust and 400,000 more were sterilized against their will. That's the real effect of what your acquaintance suggests.

[Daniel Karssenberg]

Nazi, Communist or Capitalist: Individuals are what we all are. The handicapped and those with a lower IQ are individuals as well, an thus should be treated to equal values of no human being. Excluding on his' right to vote is tyranny, eliminating a person for being mentally physically or both disabled is plain murder. Murder is taking away the right of an individual to live.

The above written part is authoritarian and makes me think of Nazi Germany.

[Saint-Just]

Murdering handicapped people will do little to improve the development of the human race. In addition, if one had a handicapped son or daughter they may want to keep their child regardless of their mental/physical condition.

We should not kill people where they do not threaten the human race. Handicapped people pose no threat and although it takes resources to look after them we should do so where resources are available. Unfortunately in many parts of the world there are not the resources to look after handicapped people and they die.

There is no point in only letting people of a high IQ vote. The election results would be exactly the same in a country such as the U.S. They should only let people who realise the truth about bourgeois society vote.

[DaCuBaN]

Considering a man who is widely regarded as one of the most intelligent people on the face of the earth is so 'disabled' that he requires a computer to speak, 'getting rid' of the handicapped isn't a good idea - genetic defection is a form of evolution, and hence hecessary to advancement of the species - even if what has happened appears 'wrong' to us.

As for IQ testing, I fully support some form of testing before political freedoms (not civil ones - they should always be present) are granted, but no the IQ test as it doesn't determine anything of real significance. If a reasonable, unbiased test could be devised I'd be all in favour, but I doubt it. Nothing is infallable, and a test would have to be to allow such an idea to flourish.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 07:17 AM
then he goes off and says we should systematicly eliminate the menatlly handicapped(I.E. down syndrome, cerebrel palsy, autism, reatrdation)

thats what hitler and the fucking nazis did :angry:

[Guerrilla22]

first off, taking away someone's voting rights if they are mentally handicapped serves no purpose, especially in the US where you only have 2 different partie that are almost exactly the same.

Why eliminate the handicapped and mentally handicpped? How do they burden society? We really should be eliminating ignorant people like your friend.

[Y2A]

The thing about not allowing mentally challenged people not vote is quite stupid. How many mentally challenged people have you seen at the voting booth?

[DaCuBaN]

:lol:

I think I've a photo of GWB putting his cross, if that's what you mean

Seriously though, the man has a point...

[caliban]

Being a person that has written some seriously stupid shit on this site, l can say that this post makes me look good. Just because some leg humper said these things or "ideas", it doesn't follow that they should be repeated. And it also makes me think of Nazi Germany as well. :angry:

[insurgency03]

"The thing about not allowing mentally challenged people not vote is quite stupid. How many mentally challenged people have you seen at the voting booth? "


actually in lockdown i knew a boy with epilepsy( his seizures caused severe brain damage, so he sometimes couldnt finish his own sentences) and he registered to vote this year. he had an iq probly around 87 or so.

I was all happy and shit when i found out, (his parents had brainwashed him into liking prez W, somehow he seems to remember these things) id often talk to him about bushes flawed logic and republican brutality, but hed always 4get it within an hour.

im all 4 rights of the handicapped ( i myself am handicapped in a way, i suffer from a mild form of agoraphobia and anxiouty, im also disgraphic)

anyways a purely intellectual society would probley burn itself out, which was my aurgument in this case. I never knew they actually tried the thing with voting, though.

[insurgency03]

[QUOTE] We really should be eliminating ignorant people like your friend.

well, sometimes i felt like doing it to, and i almost did once 2, thats what happens when at lockdown as every1 must either know or assume, the good news is that he wont be leaving there 4 a while.

[revolutionindia]

Your friend has Hitler's gene's in him.
That means he is an illegitmate child that
would entitle him to a special salutation called Bastard

Heil Bastard!!!!!!!!

[RedAnarchist]

I go to a mainstream college, but some students with learning difficulties study there. Even if they dont have a huge IQ, they are cheerful, positive people who wouldnt hurt a fly.

[insurgency03]

Your friend has Hitler's gene's in him.
That means he is an illegitmate child that
would entitle him to a special salutation called Bastard

quite possible actually i think the mofo was adopted, i think people like them have real insecurities about themselves, they feel inferiour and inadequete mentally or emotionally, so they take it out on whatever represents their insecurity.in his case the handicapped bcuz he felt intellectually inadequete with himself.

As for me, i think disabled kids r fun to be around. My mom is an occupational therapist, and she used 2 take me 2 work with her when i was young, so i have a lot of understanding for them. they bring a lot of happiness to the world in their own way.

As 4 his theories about autestic children being stupid, his full of shit there.

Albert Einstein had aspergers syndrome(a mild form of PDD, which the varying levels of