Socialism

[Cheech06]

How can u make socialism more in favor of the people...like more of a democracy. Was what happened in cuba more of a dictatorship, and if it was, how can u prevent it. What are the limits to authority?

[Fidelbrand]

The main aim for socialism is the concern for the lay public from all walks of life, not just the ruling elite or the upper classes. First, in my opinion, is that the leader must keep himself/herself abreast of the concerns of the people that changes through time --- A slogan like working for the people, but not giving them legitimate and concrete rights to vote in some major/influential and some daily decisions also would run counters towards the main core idea of socialism.

Talking about dictatorship, quoting from Fidel, "What's wrong with dictatorship? Karl Marx talks about the dictatorship of the proletariat [and I am striving hard to follow this idea.]"

Talking about "dictatorship" in capitalism, 1) all the ups and fucks of the stock markets and speculations gets the economy out of our control and the poor is always deprived of their basic physiological rights in such a system dominated by a "system". What's wrong with a system that is "dictated" solely by man's brains that directs resources and listens to the wills of the public in SOCIALISM?

2) Liberal democracy is a plaything created under capitalism , because people who vote , do not have the real power to re-driect economic resources to better human lives, since the "system" dominates "dictatoring" and manipulating these crucial resources that are neccessities to create a egalitarian society ---- something more important for some sustainable development.

P.s. Cuba has democracy at its citizenry ------> all people are legible to vote at a certain age, they pick their community leaders in different districts and the government only plays an organizational role in helping to rounds things up after the people's decisions.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 06:32 PM
How can u make socialism more in favor of the people...like more of a democracy. Was what happened in cuba more of a dictatorship, and if it was, how can u prevent it. What are the limits to authority?
True democracy is something that doesn't exist, the US is mistakenly labeled as a democracy all the time. As far as dictatorships go, the true aim of communism is for leaders to eventually disenegrate and in place will be a self sustaining state, run by the workers.

[Cheech06]

ok, well how do you prevent from getting stuck in the dictator stage? Provisional dictatorship...whatever that means

[Mike Fakelastname]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 11:57 AM
ok, well how do you prevent from getting stuck in the dictator stage? Provisional dictatorship...whatever that means
Good question, the answer is: The country/world simply has to be advanced enough for the populace to control theirselves without the "assistance" of a dictator. After the revolution, Marx intended for the proletariat to set up a dictatorship of the majority over the minority. Thus, power is taken from the hands of the minority and placed in the hands of the majority. This has never really been attempted, because the vanguard party always replaces the minority.

I seem to be becoming more and more of an anarchist everyday...

[Raisa]

I think we should learn from histroy, there should be classes in school that put the revolution in the people's hands by letting them know its theirs and not to stand for no crap.

In the soviet union it got to the point that if you were in the party you had a better life then people who did not, and this is counter revolutionary.

[Cheech06]

The country/world simply has to be advanced enough for the populace to control theirselves without the "assistance" of a dictator

What do you mean by advanced enough?

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 03:48 AM

What do you mean by advanced enough?
Thats what I want to know. What if their not, do they deserve communism any less?

[T_SP]

It has a lot to do with 'Dialectics' we must understand that in order for a Socialist Revoultion the people must want it, they must understand the need for it and then know how to implicate it. We must therefore be able to read the working class and understand it's mood, rather like at the moment in Britain we can see increasing hostility towards the Labour government especially since there have been numerous strikes official and unofficial and also trade unions splitting from the Party itself. We also see how the people responded towards the war in Iraq and the huge anti-war movement that followed. What we as Marxists must do is try to understand and acertain what needs to be done to show the working class, and others, why there is a need for a Socialsit Revoultion and that it is the only alterntaive to Capitialism.


The economy has a lot to do with it also, for instance, it would be pointless trying to put in place a 'planned economy' after a Socialist revolution if there was an Economic slump at the time of the revolution because of the 'boom and bust cycle' of Capitalism.

Critique and comments are welcome ( although not on spelling and grammer)
T_SP