My philosophy...

[Subversive Pessimist]

Well, this is my philosophy, on after life. It's not a religion.. It's not saying the world is like this... But it is more like a thought... philosophy..


When you are dreaming, you can, with practice, dream whatever you want to dream. However, often, what you do in your real life, will reflect your dreams. I believe that dreams can be used for perfection. If you have no fear, you will not run from anything in your dreams. If all you got is love, and love is all that matters, your dreams will only be about love.


When we sacrifie our life for something greater then us, we have become so close, so united to the cause, that ourselves will become the very cause. We will be what we believe in, and our survival will be the survival of the cause. And so, when we die, our after life will depend on how we acted in this life.

Your after life will be what you fight for.

If you believe in greed, your after life will be a world filled with greed.
If your whole existence is based on making peace, bringing freedom to the world, your after life will be an harmonic world, filled with peace and freedom.
Thus, our actions will live on forever.

It is better to do the right thing, and fail, then to do the wrong, and succeed. Just like Che... He believed in something, so strong, he gave his life for the cause. He did everything, he fought even if he couldn't walk, he continued, and he died. But his spirit has never died, and never will...

It's kind of like wiccan... Everyone has a thought, a goal, or something they would do anything to reach... "A mission in life". When you know for sure that you have done everything you could, and you have identified with this goal, when you die, the sacrifices you have made, your struggle, no matter what you believe in, the only thing is that it is good, it will be turned into positive spirit, and everyone that has fought for "good", will be united into one great spirit.

Did this make any sense? :unsure:

[New Tolerance]

Hi

Yeh, it's always somewhat difficult to communicate philosophical ideals effectively. I will try to respond to what you said as best as I can, please clear up any misunderstandings.


And so, when we die, our after life will depend on how we acted in this life.

Your after life will be what you fight for.


why?


It's kind of like wiccan... Everyone has a thought, a goal, or something they would do anything to reach... "A mission in life". When you know for sure that you have done everything you could, and you have identified with this goal, when you die, the sacrifices you have made, your struggle, no matter what you believe in, the only thing is that it is good, it will be turned into positive spirit, and everyone that has fought for "good", will be united into one great spirit.


"fought for good"... I might have misunderstood, but it kind of sounds like: "the ends justifies the means."

The problem is that there is no such thing as one single definition of "good", go ask around, everyone believes that they are fighting for good (and they are also fighting each other... which is what people call evil (as in the actual fighting)... something's messed up here). "...united into one great spirit.", the Facists believe that they are fighting for good... as do I, however, I have a hard time seeing myself becoming one with them.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

There is no good or evil, just your interpetations of what are 'good' and 'evil'. It all depends on your historical peroid.

There is also in my opinion no afterlife for the ceasing of conciousness that occurs can only mean the death of thinking and thus nothing could concievably occur.

[Wenty]

not sure there was much that made sense to me in your post mate.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I know. Just felt I had to write some of my thoughts that wonders around my head when I'm alone and I don't have anything to do. :)

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 10:19 PM
There is no good or evil, just your interpetations of what are 'good' and 'evil'. It all depends on your historical peroid.

There is also in my opinion no afterlife for the ceasing of conciousness that occurs can only mean the death of thinking and thus nothing could concievably occur.
i couldnt agree more!

[Karo de Perro]

First you will perhaps notice that Im new to this board with this being my initial post.

As for philosophy,the term derives from Greek meaning 'love of wisdom' and as such I consider it foolhearted at best for one to attempt to define a basic philosophy in that such rushes upon one from many directions though there tends to be one overriding principle at the core of a persons belief system.

Ahhh,but to begin spoutin off about beliefs and the like tends to veer off into the mytic and occult with ramblings about things one has no way of validating with concrete evidence,for this afterall is the bare essence of metaphysics to me - two people debating and discussing things which neither has a snowballs chance in hell of knowing.

As for this core principle I spoke of,for me this noble idea must be integrity,yes ... this is what truly defines a person or thing in the end,the quality thereof and its ability to exist unchanged.

Still,as human beings,as with all things phenomenal,we are constantly changing,its the law of material dialectics with the notion of a thesis,anti-thesis and synthesis being reached from the conflict of these with the entire process repeating again and again,however,regardless the changes which occurs in human beings there must be that one fundamental principle which remains intact or else one loses their complete being.

Well,this is my take on the matter of philosophy,I ll leave the nuts and bolts to the great pontificators.

[Hiero]

This belief that Justice has is one that he wishes to be true and hopes to true because its nice and happy. You have given no prove to back this up. First of all dreams have not been proving to be anything important and how does human conscious continue without the function of the brain.

Your theory is just airy fairy crap.

[Lardlad95]

There is no good or evil, just your interpetations of what are 'good' and 'evil'. It all depends on your historical peroid.

I agree with you whole heartedly on this. What is good and what isn't is etirely based on Subjective influences and has no meaning independent of human interpretation.



There is also in my opinion no afterlife for the ceasing of conciousness that occurs can only mean the death of thinking and thus nothing could concievably occur.

I disagree with this point however, but then again I"m not an athiest so I wouldn't have regardless. Of course the point as a whole is entirely irrelevant since either way ceasing of conciousness of nirvana we all become one witht he universe anyway.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 10:19 PM
There is also in my opinion no afterlife for the ceasing of conciousness that occurs can only mean the death of thinking and thus nothing could concievably occur.
It is certainly an end to thought as we know it. Other than that, I can't really say. So far I have not seen any explaination to "conciousness." What causes us to be aware and such, who knows.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Conciousness is quite simply of 'thinking', our 'being' aware.

There is nothing mythical about it.

[Wenty]

I accept this definition, to respond what the first poster said it doesn't logically follow that just because consciousness ends then nothing else could 'conceivably occur'. You can quite easily argue, as some theists do, that you have a soul that stays with you for the afterlife.

[Wiesty]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 02:18 PM
Your after life will be what you fight for.


so in other words, che is living in a heaven where politics, and the rich etc. are kissing the comon folks asses

[Subversive Pessimist]

You have given no prove to back this up.

I didn't try to prove anything. I don't believe in it, I just think it was an interesting and funny thought.



so in other words, che is living in a heaven where politics, and the rich etc. are kissing the comon folks asses


Exactly :P