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Subversive Pessimist
6th July 2004, 18:18
Why should we accept the law? We shouldn't. From now on, we should do what we want, because, as we ALL know; We live in a FREE, and DEMOCRATIC country. :lol:

If you want to smoke pot, go ahead, it's a free countrys. In fact, we should oppose all kinds of authority, not just in theory, but also in reality.

commieboy
6th July 2004, 18:24
does that mean i can kick down your door and kill your family and steal all your shit?

FUCK THE LAW!

wow justice, you make more and more sense every post

Subversive Pessimist
6th July 2004, 18:52
Of course not. You make very little sense when you call yourself a commie. I'll get back to you. Dinner

Adamore
7th July 2004, 00:59
ill go along w/ that but as we all know killing ppl will have reprocusions so i dont recomend it the same w/ stealing but smoking pot never hurt ne 1 so smoke up man
a lot of illegal stuff never hurt ne one like making ur own liquor (moonshine) ( it can also be used as fule 4 ur car) i say do it :ph34r:

commieboy
7th July 2004, 03:19
you see, adamore i agree with you on one level...but say yeah it's fun stealing and smokin' pot but say no one followed those laws. Say everyone stole, that mean there's no reason to work if you can get everything for free so why keep working? If the people stop working there will be no more goods and services and it will be fun for about a month until we run out of shit to eat and drink...why? because dickhead didn't feel like working so he stole all the food and milk for himself

Laws have a purpose...and it's not to oppress

Adamore
7th July 2004, 04:43
i said dont steal stuff man its not good to take frm ur fellow man :ph34r:

The Feral Underclass
7th July 2004, 08:12
Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 08:24 PM
does that mean i can kick down your door and kill your family and steal all your shit?

FUCK THE LAW!

wow justice, you make more and more sense every post
I think your distorting what he is saying, or just misunderstanding. Obviously resistence to bourgeois law should be done in the context of communism, rather than in the context of complete chaos.

There are many groups who take direct action, both in the forms of collectivising abandoned houses or protecting people from police brutality. Standing up and saying "i refuse to accept your authority" is not the same as murdering someone.

The Feral Underclass
7th July 2004, 08:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 05:19 AM
Laws have a purpose...and it's not to oppress
I absolutly disagree. A lage majority of bourgeois laws and regulations are created for the sole purpose of oppression. Laws are designed to protect ruling class interests and keep working class people oppressed and exploited.

h&s
7th July 2004, 09:25
However much I may agree with some of what you are saying, if we start to go around breaking laws, we are just going to give ourselves even worse publicity than we have already.

The Feral Underclass
7th July 2004, 09:31
Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 7 2004, 11:25 AM
if we start to go around breaking laws, we are just going to give ourselves even worse publicity than we have already.
Can you explain this more please?

pedro san pedro
7th July 2004, 10:14
Can you explain this more please?

most direct action groups take pride in the fact that they are doing nothing wrong - and hence are happy to accept the consquences of what they do ie getting arrested rather than running away/working in secret (like the alf for example).

this has enabled them to remain reasonably well within public opinion.

however, often they are working on campigns that a vast sector of the population already sympathises with.

the commie cause is one that is still well in th minority - if communists actively start to break laws in the name of communism, bad press will follow and people will be turned off from the movement.

if you look at a movement action plan, direct action is used as a sparking event only once there is enough public support behind a campaign to encourage positive press.

TO JUSTICE: smoking pot aint gonna change a thing - what other laws are you advocating that we break?

Subversive Pessimist
7th July 2004, 11:08
TO JUSTICE: smoking pot aint gonna change a thing

It is against the law. I've never smoked pot, but the law says you do not own your body, because you can't do what you want with it.


- what other laws are you advocating that we break?

I advocate to break the laws you know, for a fact, is supressing the working class. I advocate breaking laws that protects the bourgeousie.
I advocate breaking laws that restrict your freedom as a human being.

The anarchist tension explained it. It's not about killing people. It's about refusing to except authority (that protects the middle and upper class).

Guerrilla22
7th July 2004, 11:25
[QUOTE]I've never smoked pot

What the hell is your problem?

Gen Arkan
7th July 2004, 11:41
break the laws which are only affecting you and would not harm anyone else

thats the rules ;)

Subversive Pessimist
7th July 2004, 12:01
What the hell is your problem?

What the fuck is your problem??

commieboy
7th July 2004, 15:48
Originally posted by Gen [email protected] 7 2004, 11:41 AM
break the laws which are only affecting you and would not harm anyone else

thats the rules ;)
well the rules can be bent and twisted to accomidate a greedy person....yeah smoking pot wont effect anyone....or stealing from a store....but it will. Say you don't steal from the local Walmart or whatever.....when iteams start getting stolen employers must cut the workers pay to make up for profits lost because of stealing.

fine...go smoke your pot, but don't steal

Subversive Pessimist
8th July 2004, 13:38
when iteams start getting stolen employers must cut the workers pay to make up for profits lost because of stealing.



Exactly. Maybe they'll understand that the system is not created to benefit the workers, but the capitalists. People get lower wages, the people get angry, they protest, more people get angry, they start rioting and we're one step closer to rebellion.

Second, what is wrong taking from a capitalist, and give to poor homeless people?

commieboy
9th July 2004, 06:00
cause you know you're not going to go steal a box of twinkies from a grocery store and give it to a hobo on the street....you're gonna smoke a jay and eat it for yourself....

And when those workers stop working.....they'll get hungry and force them to steal, and that stealing will get their asses in jail.....

And when the workers in say a meat processing plant find out they're getting screwed and all quit....where's the meat going to come from? What will people eat....just cause you don't like a job doesn't mean you quit or go on strike...

and there will always be someone waiting to get that job of the protester...with all the unemployment in the US, you should be so lucky to even have a job.

Hiero
10th July 2004, 10:23
This plan is fucking so stupid.

commieboy
16th July 2004, 17:28
i agree

Political Suicide
20th July 2004, 17:14
Yeah... great idea..

Lets try to make society better by lowering ourselves to a primitive level. Lets just do what we want, when we want it, and forget that without laws, we leave not ourselves, but our children and our elderly at the greatest risk. I'm married, and i don't think a society in which my loved ones are at serious risk, constantly, is a world i want to live in. Not to mention the fact that when my kid is born, i'd like them to grow up in a world where they can learn right and wrong from what they see around them. No doubt, the system in place, and many of its laws, are bullshit, but being a jackass and completly ignoring the need for laws is just reckless, ignorant, and arrogant.

Subversive Pessimist
20th July 2004, 17:28
It's not about killing people, but refuse to accept authority as legitimate. Do whatever you want as long as you don't limit others freedom or put others in danger.


Not to mention the fact that when my kid is born, i'd like them to grow up in a world where they can learn right and wrong from what they see around them.

Yeah, laws are just a great way to learn right from wrong :rolleyes:


Lets try to make society better by lowering ourselves to a primitive level.

Yeah, you get sophisticated by obeying stupid laws. Remember, some of those at this forum have relgious fanatics controlling what they can, and cannot do, based on sick religious laws Sharia.