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[Subversive Pessimist]

How are we suppose to gain control? How are the workers supposed to stand united, when 99,9 % of them hate communism?

[James]

I took a look at your profile, but it didn't offer me any clues as to where you are from.

If you are like me, living in England, i can see where you are coming from. Alot of people have this inbuilt "hate", or "fear" for the word/name "communism". Its quite amusing really: the mere mention of it and one can provoke a rather violent reaction, often consisting of the claim -
"oh it never works!"
and references to stalinism and its crimes.

I personally "blame" (or - "explain") this on the capitalist society: i'm of the belief that the capitalist elite have values and opinions which become the values and opinions of the society which they are the head of.

An example of the "means" of doing this, is the media. The Sun is believed to be very influential, with the largest tabloid sales in the country. Indeed, in 1997, they declared that their support for labour was what "won it" (the election): many political comentators compare this to 1992 when the Sun was anti labour (the "will the last person in Britain turn out the lights" quote) - and labour lost. Of course though, the media may just reinforce people's views - the market model states that the media simply provides for the people's tastes. This does make sense: newspapers want to sell, people buy what they like. Personally however, i believe that the media is one example of the people being told what to believe, and more importantly: THINK. Of course it doesn't work as well on many people - it doesn't change the fact though, that for many people, it does work. And once this is achieved, these opinions become the opinions of many people; opinions which they state in conversations - often these views become dominant in social circles, thus the media may again have changed/formed many opinions inadvertably.

Whats my point? Well my point is that the people don't hate communism because it doesn't work. Ask them how or why it never worked, and this will become quite clear.

Here then lies part of the "problem", and its solution which is rather obvious.

Communist revolutions have taken place before, and have had mass support. What was once possible, can be possible again.

Once the people support something, the revolution will become more clear - but now you are going into the technicalities. And here is where many left wingers differ in their methodology.

In my opinion tactics and strategy do rely alot upon how the state responds. Some lefty's will say that this however is an opportunist reactionary opinion. Here again lies another problem - the left is bitterly divided. Whilst i appreciate that many lefty's think it appropriate (or even possible) to establish a plan, set in stone, which will see us from today into a communist society: i do not (and thus why alot of cool trendy communists hate my guts :)).

Because i do not, i can't answer your question, 100%.
I believe that we can only really plan how the revolution will/should take place, once we have taken other primary steps. For example, the step of changing public opinion.

However, at the same time, i do think it is possible and practical to discuss possible tactics and strategy.

[Revolt!]

The reaction is based on ignorance. The problem will not be solved for some time i fear. The far left are more of a fringe party than the BNP. We need to continue a vigilant campaign to bring the masses into our way of thinking.

The other problem is again the media who dictate a lot of the ignorant thought seen as common place. We need to lay the foundations for future generations to keep the movement alive.

[Pawn Power]

Alot of people have this inbuilt "hate", or "fear" for the word/name "communism".

This is the key, people fear the word. We must educate the working class on the meaning of communism and then this so called 99% intolerance will fall dramatically. Then it will be possible for a revolution!!!


How are the workers supposed to stand united, when 99,9 % of them hate communism?
They dont hate communism they fear a word that represents a concept they do not yet understand.

[Loknar]

In my opinion, in the not too near future (say 50-70 years) countries that are hard core capitalist like America and Japan will either have a well off middle class, or an increasing poor class.

If the poor class grows an grows, it will be because the unions are disbanding, because people now are slowly believing there is no use for them. Once this happens the corporations will start to push the workers slowly and slowly. Perhaps the corporations will start to provide living accommodations w hen people cant afford it them selves, in that instance the corporations will be running every aspect of your life. But the oppression may not grow to be bad enough to make people want to revolt. But if it becomes bad, people will rise up and overthrow the government , probably in the name of workers rights ushering in communism. I will be honest, if the world turns into the way I described I would be a radical communist.

[Nas]

they need a leader (like che)

[Y2A]

My idea has always been the technology will advance so far that one day there will be no need for a manual labor force.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I believe that we can only really plan how the revolution will/should take place, once we have taken other primary steps. For example, the step of changing public opinion.

I think this is the key issue. How are we going to do this? Maybe a plan, like, every communist, socialist and anarchist print out FAQ's and give them out to people, several times a week? Other ideas?


I took a look at your profile, but it didn't offer me any clues as to where you are from.

If you are like me, living in England, i can see where you are coming from. Alot of people have this inbuilt "hate", or "fear" for the word/name "communism". Its quite amusing really: the mere mention of it and one can provoke a rather violent reaction, often consisting of the claim -
"oh it never works!"
and references to stalinism and its crimes.

I'm from Norway. I know what you are talking about. It's the fear and hatred thing going on, yeah. "It never works", and then it's the "Stalin argument", and "Communism killed 100 million people"

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 07:14 PM
Alot of people have this inbuilt "hate", or "fear" for the word/name "communism". Its quite amusing really: the mere mention of it and one can provoke a rather violent reaction, often consisting of the claim -
"oh it never works!"
and references to stalinism and its crimes.

I personally "blame" (or - "explain") this on the capitalist society
If you asked people the same thing about capitalism, you would get a similar hate/fear response, albeit with different (often straw) examples.

[Touchstone]

Moneybags wtf? Almost all of the people who captialism works for, (which is upper-class people of america) enjoy and endorse captialism. I dont get what you are saying.

[Daniel Karssenberg]

The upper-class is not necessarily capitalist, not even if the capitalist system works in their favour. Your birth doesnt make you a capitalist or communist ultimately. I think there are some upper-classes who would prefer fascism or socialism above capitalism.

[James]

If you asked people the same thing about capitalism, you would get a similar hate/fear response, albeit with different (often straw) examples.

I disagree, the majority of people have an irrational preference of capitalism, over communism.
Although i do partly agree, there is a new generation of people who now question capitalism - of course some "jump on the bandwagon" and don't actually think about it properly. Others on the other hand though, understand perfectly why capitalism is undesirable.

[Funky Monk]

I think the problem is that most people do not experience the worse excesses of Capitalism in the Western World.

[Y2A]

We must show them how cool communism actually is.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Just stop talking about "revolution". Its not going to happen. You need popular support for a revolution. Yopu dont have that in the US. you have vehement opposition to it.

Actually, it can be said that the revolution already happened... just over 200 years ago on the east coast of what would become the United States, ansd it was a revolution to eradicate brutal oppressors and dictatorial regimes such as communism (although communism didn't really exist then, the theory is still applicable).

You leftists are truly delusional to want to start a revolution in the Western world, especially in America, which in essence the antithesis of what communism is about.

Good luck with your "revolution" kiddies, you'll have better luck looking for it in the bottom of your cereal box.

Commie - pukes.

[Loknar]

Capitalist Imperial,


while I share your like for capitalism, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Societies change over time, circumstances change. America wont be a perfect democracy ever, and it's likely that in a few hundred ears, corporations will have their hands in everything. Eventually they will push the people too much. Each country has revolutions and rebellions, we're only 200 years old...

[Osman Ghazi]

America wont be a perfect democracy ever

Probably true, Loknar.

[ComradeRed]

1 in 5 people in the world (I heard it to be even 1 in 4) consider themselves marxist. Support is not a problem...

[Y2A]

Link?

[ComradeRed]

Sorry, you must have mistaken me for your "research assistant". You have access to the internet and you can look it up in google too.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 06:04 PM
Capitalist Imperial,


while I share your like for capitalism, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Societies change over time, circumstances change. America wont be a perfect democracy ever, and it's likely that in a few hundred ears, corporations will have their hands in everything. Eventually they will push the people too much. Each country has revolutions and rebellions, we're only 200 years old...
I concur, of course, in the "someday"sense, but even then, if there is a revolution in the US, it will likely not be a communist revolution, but one which still emphasises personal liberty, individual sovereignty, and representative government.

[DaCuBaN]

Technocracy!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 10:33 PM
1 in 5 people in the world (I heard it to be even 1 in 4) consider themselves marxist. Support is not a problem...
If that was true, we'd all be speaking russian. that stat is menaningless

"consider themseles marxist"? what the heck does that mean, have 1 in 5 people in the world read marx?


...please

[DReaver13]

If that was true, we'd all be speaking russian.

So all marxists are Russian? Hmm, no.


"Consider themseles marxist"? What the heck does that mean?

It means they consider themselves a Marxist, as in they support his ideas. Duh.