Civil war in America?

[Subversive Pessimist]

I've heard a lot of people talking (even in conservative forums), that there might be a civil war in the US in the near future. Some newspapers and a lot of people advocate an assasination on Rumsfeld. It's very heated in the United States. Bush was supposed to come at my country in 2002, and basically the whole population were ready to throw stones at him. He didn't come though.

I'm not saying the working class is going to rise up against the cappies or anything, but I think there might be some people trying to rebel.

What do you think?

[truthaddict11]

no civil war in america probally ever again, where the hell did you read that bullshit?

[Subversive Pessimist]

A lot of people are talking about it. I read that bullshit in about every forum I've visited the last week. I'm not saying it'll be like a war, but it wouldn't suprise me if someone planted a bomb or two on sensitive spots.

[truthaddict11]

i dont think that people talking on a message board is going to lead to a war between the entire country, how come no one has brought it up here before? Many people including people on this board have talked about how they would like the assassination of Bush, that doesnt mean that his assassination will lead to a civil war. Its mainly just going to be some pissed off kid spouting bullshit.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I'm not talking about people who say "I'm going to kill Bush". I'm just saying it could be some Democrats, or perhaps radicals who would try to kill him for the greater good. It has happened before in history. Leaders are being killed all the time. I'm not saying it's likely, but it wouldn't suprise me that things are so heated up, someone would plant a bomb. It happened to the Pakistani leader couple of months ago.

[truthaddict11]

well since Democrats are just clones of Republicans I'd say they wouldnt do anything of that nature, and someone planning a terrorist attack is an idiot, what is "planting a bomb" somewhere going to achieve?

[Subversive Pessimist]

I know they are just the same, but Americans tend to think that it's a big difference. It's "the most democratic nation in the world", so they need to think there's a big difference.

[VukBZ2005]

Justice,

I have been hearing alot of this nonsense too. But if a Civil war ever in slimest
conditions possible occurs - it may be the people against the government. As
we have seen in the pass and as May 1968 shows us - is that events change
quickly. But at the present time - it's nonsense to believe a Civil War is going
to happen Soon.

[Christopher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 04:59 PM
Justice,

I have been hearing alot of this nonsense too. But if a Civil war ever in slimest
conditions possible occurs - it may be the people against the government. As
we have seen in the pass and as May 1968 shows us - is that events change
quickly. But at the present time - it's nonsense to believe a Civil War is going
to happen Soon.
Generally I agree, however the following occured to me a while back when seeing paint splattered trees in urban areas. Also I realize that there are those forces in our world that perfer I be complacent and not consider many possibilities. Wondering how our world has gotten so insane, I realized we really do not know that much about our unconscious interactions as groups.

The term "civil war" is a pretty broad term. I see the possibility of a corporate shutdown that alters their legal status and provides government with relief from economic problems. Upon the reconstruction, ostensibly paid for by corporate structures as nobody else has material power, the corporations look as saviors to the strife ridden populations who were cut off in the supply line without warning.

Centralization and the dumbing down of America has made the people incredibly dependent. With the populations what they are, if the oil companies and other corporations decided to cut off the people and suffer some hardships for a few years, they could return as monarchs of a ruined civilization.

Profit margins are not what they were with the pressures to keep the flow going and also meet public accountability. The US saw massive work leave to Mexico and China after NAFTA and GATT. Corporate ownership of big industries are addicted to high profit.

We are animals, and those who are well read in the areas of human behaviors, group mentality, the potentials for collective unconscious structures of long term relations, will recognize that pressure, fear, scarcity, have their own impacts on peoples daily activities. Recently I've noticed many young males, not children, are playing paintball as they expect to engage in urban warfare.
There was a book written in 1962 called "The Hundredth Monkey" by a team of Japanese biologists studying a group of monkeys, the Macaca Fuscata on an Island called Koshima. They observed what they recognized as what could ONLY be dream state sharing in mammals.

I read the book twice, now it cannot be found. I retell the basic story of the biologists.

http://truthasaur.com/psychology/100th.html

If monkeys can do it, we can do it better.

The implication of the above unconscious mental factors simultaneous in the world with say, the last election 9-11, Afghanistan, Iraq; is that for some reason we have lost our ability to address our unconscious interactions and we are interacting in unreasonable fashions causing immense problems, one of which is a great drain on the finances of the corporate structures and the people wherein populations must be thinned if they will not control themselves in ways that allow corporate profits.

As people in America, we have the unexercised option to control ourselves in simple ways that benefit us in the long term by simply agreeing within our democracy as a majority. Media has divided us into many competing factions that will not recognize fundamental values being TRASHED. How are we so divided and out of our own control for our own purposes, whatever they are?

Our clan and tribal structure is gone, removed by the church along with our ability to investigate the unconscius mind. The Truthsayer and Shaman of the past could see such disasterous group conflicts erupting and quell them using time. That is now a dark and evil place that each of us hides in our conscius existence. We mask our unconscious existence with investment in ever more material meanings

If there is to be a civil war, it will be a class war of famine and strife where Americans will have to kill and take from one another to survive because we don't have what it takes to go against the government. The parasite weakens the host, kills it then renews it all without losing power.

[fuerzasocialista]

I could definitely see a race war happening in the U$ but its unlikely. With what I am seeing with this new generation of kids coming up is that as long as everyone is stoned, they're all cool with each other. It leaves little time and room for thought provoking conversations and more time for killing you brain cells with just about anything that can get you high as a muthfucka...

[Guerrilla22]

There's no doubt that the US has become very polarized, poltically, but the majority are either conservatives or liberals, neither which of these type of people do more than talk, they all are too comfortable with their lives to actually be pro active when it comes to politics.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 06:43 AM
There's no doubt that the US has become very polarized, poltically, but the majority are either conservatives or liberals, neither which of these type of people do more than talk, they all are too comfortable with their lives to actually be pro active when it comes to politics.
You Are Correct - that is the current Situation in America. But you never know -
Today America may be polarized - tomorrow It may be like France in May 1968.
But i still contend that a Civil war is just not possible in America right now.

[insurgency03]

civil war here.. in the u.s. i'd love to c that happen. What a nice excuse 4 the klansters living next door to me to come over and finally settle the score, it would help no1, espically leftists here in the states if they're was a civil war. u 4get about the 100s of right wing racial and religious fanatic groups all over the states, and especially down in the southern states. Civil war in a country like this with so many parties and groups who r just dying to drag its opponents on skies.

and i 4 1 do not want to be dragged behind a car by some punk-ass skinheads

[Spartacus2002]

i doubt there would ever be a true civil war cuz the fat whites that run usa are to lazy to do anything, but the blacks and poor could concievably start something i guess.

[Touchstone]

But communists by nature would prarticipate in this civil war. But you are leaving out a major part of the picture Spartacus, the fact that there are alot of people who would support the cause. Insurgency, there would be organized militas that would try to further thier own beliefs, but most would form major factions that would try to overthrow the government.

[percept¡on]

Abortion is the only issue divisive, uncompromising and emotional enough to trigger a civil war in the US today.

[Guerrilla22]

Or gay marriage

[EneME]

As classes are becoming more polarized with the middle class shrinking and the proletariat class rising in numbers, frustration is only going to increase (especially in California) and more violence will ensue in the future. I dont think there will be war but Im thinking along the lines of the LA Riots on a bigger scale...maybe late in my life or in the next generation I believe...(and damnit my kids will be out there rioting as well ;) )

[refuse_resist]

At the rate things are going here, something definatley very big is going to happen. But whatever the outcome, call it what you want. Civil war, class war, revolution, etc.

[Guerrilla22]

I still say nothing will happen because of the fact that once again 99% of Americans are reactionist. This holds true for most of the proletariat class in this country as well. These people believe that their plight can be solved by unions or by voting for democrats, not ever realizing that both political parties promote almost the exact same economic policies.

If things are going to change, then the people are going to need to learn that actual change to the system as a whole is needed.

[(*]

Could they have been talking about the John Titor hoax? He said that a civil war would start near the election time.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by (*@Jul 8 2004, 11:39 PM
Could they have been talking about the John Titor hoax? He said that a civil war would start near the election time.
no i don't think it's that - but i think there are people who woud really like to
see America fall apart. But As i keep Saying - Civil War is not possible in these
conditions right now.

[(*]

Look...When the elections near, Bush and his cohorts will create some sort of National threat or emergency. Using this, they will postpone the elections....perhaps indefinitely. Then a civil war will occur.

Kind of like what Batista did in Cuba

[refuse_resist]

Look...When the elections near, Bush and his cohorts will create some sort of National threat or emergency. Using this, they will postpone the elections....perhaps indefinitely. Then a civil war will occur.

Kind of like what Batista did in Cuba

That's exactly what's going to happen. Just today, Ministry of Homeland Security secretary Tom Ridge just anounced that there's a "major terrorist threat" that's imenent this summer and fall, which of course they're using this fear tactic to scare people so they'll be reminded of the war and how much of a "good job" Bush does when it comes to handling everything. They normally tend to do this during times when his ratings start dropping, or when some other event happens that hurts him and all his buddies.

[insurgency03]

That's exactly what's going to happen. Just today, Ministry of Homeland Security secretary Tom Ridge just anounced that there's a "major terrorist threat" that's imenent this summer and fall,[QUOTE]

yeh i heard about that too, but i dont think ever in the u.s.'s history has an election been postponed, then again theyres never been a president elected by the supreme court until now.

this is all the more reason im moving to canada.

[(*]

Not only that, but people are afraid...The government keeps the population in a state of fear, and they literally get away with murder.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by (*@Jul 10 2004, 08:29 AM
Not only that, but people are afraid...The government keeps the population in a state of fear, and they literally get away with murder.
You are so right.

See if you live in america, im sure you know about the terror alert levels.
Its a color coded system that tells you how scared you should be of the terrorists attacking- like how much of the threat they got.

To me the whole world is on elevated alert, i pitty the fool who thinks any different as long as we got this economic system.
Its an illusion to tell yourself things are really any better, and you should be lucky if they seem so. We live in a very violent world.

But as long as people are scared, we are going to focus on being protected, and that is going to be the priority. And what crescent told you is very right.

America is a very interesting place to be right now, never the less, I do not forsee a civil war right now. Who ever told you that was trippin....for lack of a better word.

There are some people who are unhappy their folks lost THE civil war, between the north and south, and they like to dress up and reenact loosing the civil war every so often....but thats a different story.

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by (*@Jul 9 2004, 01:38 AM
Look...When the elections near, Bush and his cohorts will create some sort of National threat or emergency. Using this, they will postpone the elections....perhaps indefinitely. Then a civil war will occur.

Kind of like what Batista did in Cuba
There's only one problem with that, in Cuba the main opposition to Batista was not made up of reactionaries. On top of that, most of the countryhated Batista. Unfortunately, in this country there still exist a strong backing of Bush.

[RidiculousRhinoceros]

a civil war as in actually fighting with guns? no way. anyone who says that is being silly or is just crazy.

I might call the war between the dems and reps or liberalism and conservatism a civil war in politics. It is a close fight and the winner well have a huge impact on Americans.

[Guerrilla22]

I don't know if it will have a huge impact on America, after all there is little difference in the economic and foreign policies of the Dems and Reps, but if Kerry is elected then it will be a major blow to the far right and may put an end to the rapid movement of the US towards facism.

[Abajo con el imperialismo]

if a civil war will happen it will be in washington or florida,the people is angry at the moment for some things bush did. I doubt it would happen though

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Don't you think Bush post-poning elections would cause people to get angry and overthrow him?

[Abajo con el imperialismo]

that will do