Communists Unite!

[DReaver13]

Hey! I am new to this forum, and I support communism undyingly, and actively want to destroy captialism everywhere. Capitalism has had it's chance, and something HAS to be done soon (within my lifetime) to get rid of it, otherwise I really pity the future inhabitants of this earth, who will probably be ruled by America and their proprietors of world-domination, self-interest and greed.

The US administration is a joke. George Bush is ridiculed for having the intellectual capabilities of a chimpanzee, and after watching Colin Powell dancing on a stage doing the Y.M.C.A. I really can't stop laughing at the ridiculousness of it all.

The first thing we have to do is unite all communists, those who truly want to see an end to capitalism. We cannot bicker amongst ourselves or question eachother anymore. For this to be possible, we have to have a true definition of communism, as many seem confused about what it actually means. True communism has never existed in the entire of human history, so those who think it is oppressive, or means a totalitarian dictatorship must realize that it is not.

I have had a huge rant on CAPITALISM.ORG..
Capitalism Magazine Forums (http://capitalismforum.com:/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=538)

I'd appreciate some support from anybody on this site to scare the brainwashed pro-capitalists out of their smugness.

Communism and it's supporters has to move forward. New ideas must be made. We need people who forumlate ideas like Marx and Engels did, rather than people who just ponder the old ideas and dismiss them as not being possible or relevant to contemporary society. We need people like Lenin, who can lead communists into overthrowing the evil and injustice of capitalism.

With enough support, enough unity, and enough belief, communism may indeed become a reality, if a power-hungry dictator does not go and ruin it all.

People who support capitalism frustrate me to no end. They are too narrow-minded or simply too brainwashed into thinking they have a "perfect society" that they won't question the system and blindly support it. Sounds like totalitarianism to me!

I found this site VERY good at explaining a society without capitalism.
Anti-Capitalism : Modern Theory and Historical Origins (http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/antic/)

Anyway. I shall discuss more when I get a reply or two!

"Смерть к Капитализму! Объединитесь под Коммунизмом!"
"Death to capitalism! Unite under Communism!"
- DReaver13.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I agree with you completely. We need a new Marx. We need a new Lenin, and we need a new Che Guevara. Because the socialist states have fallen, we need to start all over again.

I have to ask:
Does anybody know how many communists there are in this world?
I think we need to gather a whole big organisation. We need to be united: Leninist, Marxist, and even Stalinists, socialists, Trotskyists, Jucheists, and anarchists, against the tyrrany of capitalism.

[DReaver13]

Yes, how many communists in the world.. I'd say a lot. More importantly, how many prolateriat?

The capitalist system is held up by the labour of the working class. If they were to rise up against their oppressors, capitalism would be dead instantly. The only barrier would be maintaining complete unity amongst the prolateriat, as fighting amongst themselves would prevent any progress towards communism.

The working class vastly outnumbers the ruling class. Many do not realise the potential *we* have. With charismatic individuals like Lenin and Che, the workers could be rallied, they would be able to see the great society that could be made if only all were equal and worked for the common good, rather than selfish gain which does not benefit anyone except the capitalist class.

We must take action if a change is ever going to happen.
Posting left-wing views on these forums will only do so much, the message must be spread, people must join the revolution.

(On a side note, has anyone ever noticed how Star Trek society is communist?)

[elijahcraig]

Communists Unite!

Isn't that what the power rangers used to say?

Or "It's Morphin' time!"?

[DReaver13]

Isn't that what the power rangers used to say?

Or "It's Morphin' time!"?


I'd laugh if their slogan was "Communists Unite!", though I doubt the show would have been allowed to be aired... They only just got permission for a *Red* Ranger. :lol:

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 11:04 AM
I have had a huge rant on CAPITALISM.ORG..
Capitalism Magazine Forums (http://capitalismforum.com:/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=538)

I'd appreciate some support from anybody on this site to scare the brainwashed pro-capitalists out of their smugness.
Don't waste your time with them lot, I got banned for saying that disabled people should get benifits and the topic was deleted.

If you actualy say anything that completely destroys their ideology they just delete it and ban you.

[Subversive Pessimist]

That's crazy... I knew they were pigs, but... Really?

[DReaver13]

Ridiculous. They talk about the value of freedom of speech and then act so hypocritical. Burn em all.

[Kez]

how do we go about this uniting?

[elijahcraig]

how do we go about this uniting?

We should hand out special watches that transform us into unity.

I'll be Fidel. You can be Che.

[h&s]

We should hand out special watches that transform us into unity.

I'll be Fidel. You can be Che.
Can I be Raul?


how do we go about this uniting?
We need to stop separating for a start.
How many different socialist, communist, and anarchist groups are there?
2 would be too many. These groups should forget their differences and join together. The left is too split up.

[elijahcraig]

Can I be Raul?
No, but you can be Peter Fonda. Do you have a problem with pink shirts?

[h&s]

Not at all.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Unfortunately, seperation of the left is a reality.

[Valkyrie]

HI! I have insomnia tonight..

Very good proposal..

So.... I've been doing some critiqueing of the Left myself lately. I'll not go into the negatives..

Let''s rather assess startegy....

There are three basic ways to move to a Communist society...

#1 Through armed revolution

#2 Through the BAllot Box

#3 just going ahead and doing it... Strikes, lock outs, seizing control of production, creating a communist parrallel society which eventually overtakes the capitalist society.

I think in big capitalist developed nations, #3 is the only option at this given point.

So,Now, we have to assess what sectors of industry are able to seize control without any major obstruction of production.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 5 2004, 09:46 AM


We need to stop separating for a start.
How many different socialist, communist, and anarchist groups are there?
2 would be too many. These groups should forget their differences and join together. The left is too split up.
I agree. In the struggle we should all stand together, you dont have to throw away your ideas. And then when we have won, and there is something to decide, since there are so many many ideas we should democratically decide what to do.

[h&s]

If you find 15 parties or movements that you support, join them all
That is a very good point. I hate the separation we have at the moment.


#1 Through armed revolution

#2 Through the BAllot Box

#3 just going ahead and doing it... Strikes, lock outs, seizing control of production, creating a communist parrallel society which eventually overtakes the capitalist society.

I think #'s 1 and 3 go hand in hand. Any armed revolution would need #3 to support it, and #3 would need some sort of movement to stop the press, like someone fire-bombing Fleet Street. (even if it wouldn't achieve anything, it would be fun anyway!)

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 10:33 PM
how do we go about this uniting?
Here's how we unite, we all meet at my place in south east Denver, round up a bunch of arms and after we get about 15 beers in us apiece we unlease the revolution on the US.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Through armed revolution

just going ahead and doing it... Strikes, lock outs, seizing control of production, creating a communist parrallel society which eventually overtakes the capitalist society.


I think that's the only way. We need to unite all leftists. Socialists, Communists, Anarchists (note that I didn't include socialdemocrats, liberals). United we are strong. If we continue to remain divided, we will remain weak.

[h&s]

note that I didn't include socialdemocrats, liberals :D
Good point - they are a let down to the leftist cause. Anyone who collaborates with the rich can never be classed as a leftist.

[DReaver13]

I think we're getting the idea now. Who actually believes that the shitty system we live in can be changed though? Will people actually be able to see that communism is the way to a better society? Most are caught up in their day to day toils and simply accept the way things are.

Communists everywhere must join together, the governments of the world must see that communism is not a dead, helpless entity, but that the fire of communism still burns, and will not be extinguished until the world is made equal for all. Power must be removed from the hands of tyrants like George Bush, and put in the hands of those who actually contribute to society : the workers.

United we are unstoppable, divided we remain the underdogs.

[h&s]

Exactly.

Proletarians of the wold unite, for we have nothing to lose but our chains!

[roddes]

but that would be a hard challeng. how do you propose we that howgh?

[h&s]

Well, as the other posts have said, we must unite all of the different leftist groups, or at least join all of them. Unless we actually try to work together, nothing will happen. We should stop squabling about little things and concentrate on the end result.

[Dante910uk]

I totally agree with my friend DReaver13, we have to do something and fast. Although changing a system that has been around for so long will not be easy, we need a leader one who will not be corrupted by the power they will gain and one who we all will be able to unite under his banner.

This current system makes me feel like a slave, something needs to be done or every communist in the west will end up like everyone else; a slave who spends their lives buying stuff they do not need and then dying not forfilling anything or doing anything worth while. We need to educate the masses the working classes need to wake up and smell the unfairness of this society, I suggest more websites and pressure groups devoted to the cause more books and magasines freely available to anyone who wants to learn the truth.

They have nothing to loose in the words of marx; "The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working men of all countries, unite!"

Could it be put any better??

[DReaver13]

how do we go about this uniting?

We all create a new global communist movement. Get a website going, start a database of members. Talk about it with your friends, get them to join, or at least spark their interest. Since we [probably, depending on your age] are the next generation, and we will be the future rulers of the world, if we get enough support, it's only a matter of time.

Ambitious, yes. Ideas like these would be hopeless without ambition.

If a new, collectivised, worldwide communist movement was created, who would want to join? Much like this website and it's forums, but actively trying to unite communists and destroy capitalism.

Start with small things, going to pro-capitalist forums and stating our beliefs, rallying support, seeing just how many people are truly dedicated to communist ideas.

These forums supposedly have over 7000 members, so where are all these comrades??

[T_SP]

The divides in the Left are far to deeply rooted and certain left groups would only impede progress instead of aiding it, there are too many groups out there that are constantly doing and saying counterproductive things, SWP for one and I imagine some would say us (SP) were another but cest la vie. No, we would all have to throw our programs out of the window and find one that suited us all which would mean throwing many things aside that our parties have worked hard to achieve and I know many parties will not do this.
It's sad to say but it will take something HUGE for the left to unite and I really hope it happens soon.
T_SP

[DReaver13]

What HUGE thing could unite the left? Perhaps the capitalist domination and exploitation of the entire world? Perhaps the greedy plans of global-domination by the world's only superpower? Maybe the world being ruled by lying politicians seeking to only benefit themselves? Oh wait, this is already the case. There isn't much more that could happen to worsen the situation, except the American invasion of China or the entire African continent. We cannot stand divided anymore, it's not going to work. Raise the red flag and unite under one banner. Communism's very definition implies working together, not divided. Those who cannot recognize this should not call themselves communists.

Who will join a new unified communist movement? I shall begin work on a website anyway, see what happens from there.

On a side note :
I HATE the capitalism.org forums. I want to hunt down and kill their moderators who seem like spoilt 11-year-old brats who get their own way all the time.

[Yazman]

Unification is key to our success, it seems fairly obvious to me.

[bunk]

well a global communist movement to unite the left would have to incorparate anrachists, socialists and so on so how would that be done and if it was done what would happen in the end we'd all have different ideas for a new society.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 01:41 PM
well a global communist movement to unite the left would have to incorparate anrachists, socialists and so on so how would that be done and if it was done what would happen in the end we'd all have different ideas for a new society.
It would be a "Champru" - Ryukyuan for Mixture of Sorts - I like this idea....it may be a interesting Project.... :) :) :)

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 01:15 PM
I totally agree with my friend DReaver13, we have to do something and fast. Although changing a system that has been around for so long will not be easy, we need a leader one who will not be corrupted by the power they will gain and one who we all will be able to unite under his banner.



I think leadership that represents us is more important then the leader. We do need to stand united, secterianism is an insult. We are not at that luxury like our leaders, who cut everything up like its a pie. Comrades, we have no pie! We know what we want and we have to stand together, and make our dreams come true.

<<We need to educate the masses the working classes need to wake up and smell the unfairness of this society>>

Do you know what is sad, is that we are woken up&#33; We smell the unfairness, we know how it is. How can you not when at night vermin crawl across your blankets, and up the street people are ignorantly living in splendor? But what do we say, when does it matter? How do we say it. People got socialism in their hearts very often, though they dont know the words to the song.

<<It&#39;s sad to say but it will take something HUGE for the left to unite and I really hope it happens soon.>>

I tend to think all of this petty bickering that goes on is insulting and extravagant, and its very disparing to me, that while people are struggling, the educated ones that are supposed to be on our side would rather argue over the words of dead men.
People are dying right now&#33; Argue that&#33;

<<I HATE the capitalism.org forums. I want to hunt down and kill their moderators who seem like spoilt 11-year-old brats who get their own way all the time.>>

It is rather rediculous. Still I hate no one. I love them more then that stupid system ever will.

[Jack-o-bean]

What we need is something in between communisum and capitalisum&#33; Coz clearly nither of them quite work out ;)

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 02:13 PM
I think leadership that represents us is more important then the leader.
I do not belive in Leadership or Secetarianism at all. The Workers must
lead their own Revolution. I think that any authoritarian/Hirarchial Structure
in a United Communist movement is not needed at all - but a Decentralized
system in which every one has a equal say in decisions in the United
Communist Movement. Not a Leninist Sturcture.

[DReaver13]

The Workers must lead their own Revolution.

You dont&#39; need a leader as such no. What you need are people who can inspire and influence the workers. Charismatic people like *dare I say* Hitler, though obviously not pure evil, as he most definitely was. The way he spoke captured the hearts of an entire country. We need people with that innate charisma. They shouldn&#39;t have any more of a say than anyone else, but people need to know they are not alone and need to feel that something is happening.

[Raisa]

We know where we are coming from alot of the time, but you are very right, we need those who will make it alive. To rekindle the fact that our opinions matter&#33;

[bunk]

Ok so i made a seperate thread on what we are discussing here and no-one is interested&#33;

[DReaver13]

Ok so i made a seperate thread on what we are discussing here and no-one is interested&#33;

Might as well keep it in one thread.

I agree with your thread though. I am making a website for a United Global Communist Movement as i&#39;m quite a competent web-designer. I reckon we start a communal website where there isn&#39;t just one person writing the articles, but anyone can have them displayed. As for forums, these seem sufficient and there&#39;s no need to make new ones, but I could I suppose.

It must seem like a chore to add replies on these forums. I see lots of people online, but they don&#39;t put in their views, they haven&#39;t in this thread anyway. Thanks to those who have.

[noland]

Everything said here so far is damn good&#33; Personally I think that this is the best way of going about a revolution or at least reforms. As soon as DReaver13&#39;s website gets off the ground everyone who knows about it should start grassroots campaign to gain support and to educate others as to the situation. When enough support has been garnered, meeting(s) of everyone involved/interested should be planned. If people are really firm in their beliefs distance or cost will cause little problem.

[Abajo con el imperialismo]

I agree,this capitalist pigs must be dealt with or we&#39;ll have no world in the years to come,I support the courageous efford chavez is doing in venezuela by opposing the americans,I feel inspired by Che Guevara and those who died in bolivia fighting for their belief in the revolution.
we should honor why many died for by spreading the word of what the revolution and communism truly is.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 10:24 PM

You dont&#39; need a leader as such no. What you need are people who can inspire and influence the workers. Charismatic people like *dare I say* Hitler, though obviously not pure evil, as he most definitely was. The way he spoke captured the hearts of an entire country. We need people with that innate charisma. They shouldn&#39;t have any more of a say than anyone else, but people need to know they are not alone and need to feel that something is happening.
How about i join you there - I can create websites as well....How About it?

[Abajo con el imperialismo]

you can count me in if you need any help