CommonWealthism

[Latin American Socialist]

The EZLN and LACP have agreed on making a political party named, "CommonWealthism". A political part which accepts the following:

Communsim/Socialism
Materialism
Anarchism
Zapatism
Anti-Neoliberal Democrats
LACP
Soviets
Leftists
EZLN

We beleive in voluntary work and equal rights for the Natives. We don't accept:

Stalinism
Satanics
Nazism
Capitalism
Right-Wingers

If you want more information post here or e-mail me at: [email protected]

[CubanFox]

Commonwealthism? That has rather imperialistic/capitalistic connotations in English, look at the British Commonwealth and the Commonwealth of Independent States.

[Latin American Socialist]

it doesn't have anything to do with the british commonwealth

[CubanFox]

No, no, of course not.

However, I'm just saying that that particular name probably isn't the best translation into English because of the imperialist baggage the name carries.

If "commonwealth" in this context means "wealth shared by all", perhaps "communalwealth" would be better.

[Essential Insignificance]

I'm not too certain what your interpretation is; or the interpretation of the parties is, of Sovietism, but it seems obvious, that the indorsement of Sovietism is in total contradiction against the similarity and not acceptance of Stalinism.

Nevertheless are very broad political party; sure to cause inconsistencies, falsehoods and internal fractions within the assembly.

But Good Luck.


We beleive in voluntary work and equal rights for the Natives

Where are you from?

[Latin American Socialist]

i am live in the southern part of mexico where the natives here are thrown in jail because they don't speak spanish. So The EZLN and LACP have come together to help the Natives get out of jail. And it was the EZLNs idea to not accept stalinist, but to accept soviets.

[Rex_20XD6]

I don’t like the hole theory behind a commonwealth. One person could mess up the whole system.

[Latin American Socialist]

One person could mess up the whole system.

Thats what they said when marx told people his ideas

[Latin American Socialist]

http://www.fotw.net/images/m/mx%7Bezlna.gif

We got took the EZLN flag and put it as the commonwealthist (communalwealthist) flag

[redstar2000]

It sounds like a "we are for all good things & against all bad things" group; there seem to be quite a few of them springing up (especially on the internet).

Such a fuzzy understanding will be unstable, of course, as the struggle continues. Some parts will move towards the left and a clearer, more uncompromising rejection of the existing social order...while other parts will move towards the right, looking for a chance to "make a deal" with the rulers.

The situation in southern Mexico is pretty complicated (especially to an ignorant "yanqui" like me :P). Mayan "proto-nationalism", peasant communalism, and who knows what else?

"Commonwealthism" is indeed a very awkward word in English...in Mayan and/or Spanish, it might be quite appealing.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Latin American Socialist]

in spanish it is RequesaCommonismo

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 4 2004, 12:48 AM
in spanish it is RequesaCommonismo
Ah, so it's not the same as mancomunidad.

But anyway.

So this party has no particular ideological bent, it accepts lefties of all shapes and sizes? Intriguing. Has there been much infighting yet, or has everyone gotten along fairly well?

[CommieBastard]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 2 2004, 09:44 AM
I'm not too certain what your interpretation is; or the interpretation of the parties is, of Sovietism, but it seems obvious, that the indorsement of Sovietism is in total contradiction against the similarity and not acceptance of Stalinism.
Sovietism is surely the inclusion of Soviets in a political system? There are plenty of political systems that you could theoretically have which have nothing to do with Stalin or Stalinism that include a Soviet structure. Stalin was not the originator of Soviets in theory or in practice, and so i am confused by the associations you seem to be making here.

To make things clear, Soviet is the russian for council. They existed before the revolution and were a political voice for workers, peasants and soldiers. After the revolution they became the local executive body of the Government. A Soviet system can potentially be incredibly democratic, and not in the least Stalinistic. It was the Civil War which lead to Soviets becoming little more than the arms of the government by the late 20s. You are an unfortunate victim of propoganda from both America and Russia which sought to associate Stalin and his lackeys with the political systems of the Russia which preceded Stalin's control.

[Latin American Socialist]

So this party has no particular ideological bent, it accepts lefties of all shapes and sizes? Intriguing. Has there been much infighting yet, or has everyone gotten along fairly well?

Yea everybody has gotten along and Yea it accepts all leftist groups.

[Conghaileach]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 2 2004, 10:44 AM
but it seems obvious, that the indorsement of Sovietism is in total contradiction against the similarity and not acceptance of Stalinism.
Sovietism is also known as council communism, as advocated by people like Anton Pannekoek and Rosa Luxemburg. It involves the use of workers councils for organisation as opposed to political parties. So, as you can see, it isn't at all similar to Stalinism.

[Vinny Rafarino]

This is odd. With all the work I do with the marxist and other parties of Mexico, I have never heard of any of this.

Considering how this person associates "Stalinism" with Satanism ( :lol: ) Capitalism, National Socialism and "right wingers", more than likely this is just more anti-marxist propaganda spilled forth by Trotsky's grandson and Alan woods.

Either that or he is simply full of shit.

[SonofRage]

It just sounds like a fancy name for "multi-tendency." In the US, the Socialist Party USA is the same way.

[bobby]

I agree with Comrade RAF on this ideology.

It sounds like a pathetic attempt to slosh everything together in a mishmashy way.

[STI]

I'm wondering.... why aren't satanists allowed in the "club"? :unsure:

[bobby]

Zapatism

That's not even an ideology.