Che and Weed

[Latin American Socialist]

Hola, I've lived in mexico, usa, and Peru. While i lived in Peru i was taught to believe that che was a good man, but he was a pothead. They told me he would smoke marijuana with fidel any chance they got. Is this true?
(i am not saying potheads are bad people)

[Colombia]

Ernesto was fond of cigars but I doubt smoking pot.I remember reading in the motorcycle diaries how some Peruvians gave him some coca leaves and how he disliked them.That is all I know.

[DaCuBaN]

I don't know this as a fact, but it would follow that this is a simple misrepresentation of the man. He was said to be fond of cigars, and in fact some of the most famous images of him show him puffing away...

It is this image I believe that has been 'warped' to suit the stoner's mentality - a laid back guy with something that resembles a blunt in his hands. The connection could easily be made.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I agree.

Che didn't smoke pot but did smoke Cuban cigars once he gained a fondness for them towards the end of the Cuban war.

Just another way potheads try and explain that they are, infact, cool, rebellious and fuck the establishment.

Ooooh, they'll all have their own [InsertName]-Lives websites in no time!

Or rather they'll be working behind a desk at your local HSBC.

By the way, DaCuban, excellent use of James' mocking of Kez in your sig.

[Urban Rubble]

DaCuban


It is this image I believe that has been 'warped' to suit the stoner's mentality - a laid back guy with something that resembles a blunt in his hands. The connection could easily be made.

What is this stoner mentality you speak of ? I know alot of "stoners", and I've never made the connection that any of them, much less all of them, have any kind of shared mentality. Please, explain your statement.


Socialismo


Just another way potheads try and explain that they are, infact, cool, rebellious and fuck the establishment.

Oh God, shut up. Do you not realize how condescending you sound ?

The person that started the thread isn't even a pot smoker. I've never seen any pot smoker make a connection between Che Guevara and herb. There is a member of this board with a name that suggests it, but even he realizes that Che Guevara was no "stoner". Get off your high horse you little ass, generalizing gets us nowhere. I know many stoners, and I can tell you that if you think they are in any way the same because of the fact that they smoke herb, then you need to get out more. Your post shows that you have no experience with "stoners", except perhaps the teenagers at your middle school.

By the way, talk about the kettle calling the pot black. You talk about kids trying to act cool and rebellious, look at your name, look at your sig ! I bet you're even wearing a cute little Che shirt right now !


Or rather they'll be working behind a desk at your local HSBC.

I'm an electrician working 50 hours per week and going to school part time (and passing all my classes), and I smoke a half ounce of herb per month. You're being ridiculous.

Since you think it's so fun to ridicule people and talk about how unsuccesful they'll be, please, tell me what you do for a living ?


Now, for the person who asked the question, Mr El Communista:

No, as far as anyone knows Che never smoked marijuana. I mean, anything is possible, he could have done it and we don't know, but nobody has ever documented it. I doubt he would because I know that he rarely even drank alchohol.

[refuse_resist]

Who knows if he ever smoked marijuana, but I'm sure he tried it one time or another. :P

[Latin American Socialist]

well i guess this answers my question

[DaCuBaN]

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laid back guy with something that resembles a blunt in his hands

The 'stereotype' of a stoner. It's quite easy to see why this relaxed looking smiling man could be 'connected'.

What do all stoners share in common? Smoking of course! It's a hugely simplistic link, but it's valid ;)


I know that he rarely even drank alchohol

Something else a lot of stoners share in common with him...

[Latin American Socialist]

good point

[Urban Rubble]

The 'stereotype' of a stoner. It's quite easy to see why this relaxed looking smiling man could be 'connected'.

Yeah, but C'mon, you've got to admit that's a bit of a stretch. I don't think that is a big factor.


What do all stoners share in common? Smoking of course! It's a hugely simplistic link, but it's valid

Yes, but you said that there was a "stoner mentality" and that was the reason for the connection of Che and herb. It just seemed like you were implying the old stereotype that all stoners somehow think, and act, alike. Also, I don't think there is a very prevelant link between Che and herb, but if it exists at all it's because both a seen as rebellious, both are popular with dumb teenagers trying to be cool. Most teens that get into Che get into him because his parents think that Che was a bad man, he's being rebellious, same with weed.

[Latin American Socialist]

better point

[DaCuBaN]

Fair enough, I've had a stinking migraine all night and haven't really been thinking all that clearly... just finally got my hands on some pain killers and it's at least subsided.... finally thought is again possible!


you said that there was a "stoner mentality" and that was the reason for the connection of Che and herb. It just seemed like you were implying the old stereotype that all stoners somehow think, and act, alike

My apologies, this was not what I intended. Remove the word mentality and suffix stoner with stereotype.


I don't think there is a very prevelant link between Che and herb, but if it exists at all it's because both a seen as rebellious, both are popular with dumb teenagers trying to be cool

I agree, this too is a feasible hypothesis. I think we can all agree though that the man was not a stoner. Or at least there is no evidence to suggest this

Although, for all we know it could well have been blunts and not cigars he was smoking ;) :lol:

[Latin American Socialist]

Finally, we can all get along

[Guerrilla22]

I have never read anything about Che smoking Marijauna. Like everyone else here has stated he did have fond liking of Cuban cigars.

[Floyd.]

Che was a very liberal accepting person. Fuck anyone who looks down on Marijuana. Apparently he is not smoking Mat'e here. It looks a shitload like a bong to me.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by Comrade La [email protected] 30 2004, 06:28 PM
Che was a very liberal accepting person. Fuck anyone who looks down on Marijuana. Apparently he is not smoking Mat'e here. It looks a shitload like a bong to me.
Sorry to burst your bubble, mate, but that's definitely yerba maté he's got in that "bong".

The stuff is drunk from a rather bong-like thing called a bombilla, seen in the picture, which acts as both a sieve and a straw, filtering out the chunky crap which makes up most of the maté mixture.

[Kurai Tsuki]

Now that the Che on Rape thread has been buried there is one about weed. Actually there already is one about Che and pot.

[Latin American Socialist]

I read in a book that while he was drinking that he was fantazizing about his wife.

[Subversive Pessimist]

yerba maté?

[Latin American Socialist]

yea, in that photo.

[Anarchist Freedom]

the reason che is soo often put with pot is that he was liberator or the people and many stoners. see him as a liberator of_____ soo therfore people will affiliate him with pot because he is a liberator.


:che:


CGLM! (http://www.cglm.net)

[Latin American Socialist]

k, so :che: doesnt :redstar2000: pot. Obrigado!

[Subversive Pessimist]

What does yerba maté mean? Weed?

[Latin American Socialist]

Yerba means herb, but the coca leaf herb. Maté is latin, in spanish maté in kill.

[Floyd.]

To be honest I doubted it was marijuana, but thanks for telling me, cool phot eh? However I don't think it would of been a negative but a positive to his character if he did smoke now and then.

[Kurai Tsuki]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 12:25 PM
What does yerba maté mean? Weed?
No <_< mate is tea. Che&#39;s parents wouldn&#39;t have sent him to bring weed for the family, and he wouldn&#39;t have carried accross the yard ^.^

[Wiesty]

hes not a pothead, thats what the media makes him out to be
he smoked the chepest kind of cigars, i forget the name they started with a c

[Urban Rubble]

hes not a pothead, thats what the media makes him out to be

The media ? When has the media ever portrayed Che as a pothead ?

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 02:25 AM
What does yerba maté mean? Weed?
It&#39;s a type of tea, it&#39;s drunk in Uruguay and Argentina in the way that coffee is drunk in the West.

[Latin American Socialist]

hes not a pothead, thats what the media makes him out to be
he smoked the chepest kind of cigars, i forget the name they started with a c


He smoked havanos

[Comrade Latino]

it&#39;s drunk in Uruguay and Argentina
Also in Chile, Paraguay and Bolivia.

[Latin American Socialist]

and in peru

[Kurai Tsuki]

Che was not pothead. Unlike so many of the American youth there are revolutionaries and free thinkers who dislike the American government but do not spend all of their leisure time getting stoned.

Self dicipline and sobriety I feel are among the true revolutionary traits.

Does this look like a revolutionary to you?

http://www.jamesbrief.com/i/marie%20stoned.jpg

[Comrade Latino]

Self dicipline and sobriety I feel are among the true revolutionary traits.
I could not agree more.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Exactly.

I mean, we all know how angry Che got when the Cogolese rebels used to just get drunk.

[Kurai Tsuki]

Ah, Congo must have been a terrible experience for che -_- As though enough hadn&#39;t gone wrong in that campaign, the soldiers got drunk.

[Urban Rubble]

I mean, we all know how angry Che got when the Cogolese rebels used to just get drunk.

That is because they were in a war and carelessness could get them killed. It was NOT because he was a moralist like yourself.


Unlike so many of the American youth there are revolutionaries and free thinkers who dislike the American government but do not spend all of their time getting stoned.

Why do you assume that people who smoke spend all their time doing so ? I smoke everyday and I still find time to work at leat 8 hours, skate for a couple, read and do other things. I assure you that smoking herb does not hinder me in any way.


Self dicipline and sobriety I feel are among the true revolutionary traits.

I feel that moralism is completely opposed to revolutionary thought. You have provided no reason for your words, you&#39;ve only casted untrue generalizations.

[DaCuBaN]

Although it pains me to say it, I&#39;m with Urban Rubble on this one.


Self dicipline and sobriety I feel are among the true revolutionary traits

The former goes without saying, but the latter? It simply falls under the former - knowing when and where is the right time to &#39;relax&#39;


moralism is completely opposed to revolutionary thought

Indeed - most moralism would have us never shedding blood - something that Che quite definitely did. Something that every &#39;revolutionary&#39; did.

All forms of (for want of a better phrase) self-gratification are a problem, but it&#39;s a matter of getting things into perspective.

[guevara-marley]

i don&#39;t know why they make so much troubles about smoking pot...ooohhhh, it&#39;s illegal but have you made up your mind because of the reason why it is illegal...it&#39;s very stupid...if you think: drinking alcohol is much more dangerous than smoking pot...more people died because they were driving on alcohol than people who were driving on pot...do you think that people on pot would get agressive and punch people till they are dying...have you ever seen anybody like that?yes...you could get illusions but also through alcohol you could get some...

[Kurai Tsuki]

I think maybe I could aggree to the accusaton of moralism, I am after all concerned with upholding certain moral standards in my life. Although I&#39;m not going to be ashamed by my moralism, so calling me a moralist will fail to affect me.

As for moralism being opposed to shedding blood, I think that it is possible to justify military fighting without justifying murder. For example, the Koran says that murder is forbidden, very specifically.