Football and Sports clubs

[T_SP]

The ridiculous wages of bosses and players alike should be poured into the state!! Imagine the difference these funds could make! And no player can say they do it for the love of the game when they earn more in a week than I do in a year! If they took a workers wage maybe they'd get there heads outta there asses and realise just how difficult life really is, also they could survive on a workers wage most of the country has to why shouldn't they! Sportsman and sports bosses make me sick, and we have to hear shite like Ron Atkinson spouted!!

[el bigpig]

just how the world happens to work in capitalist countries. I amy be wrong but I even hear that communist and/or dictatorships even give exceedingly high wages to athletes, they do repersent the country. I'm sure that a gold winning track star is more important to a country than a secratery.

[T_SP]

You just outlined all the reasons why they should be state owned, well done. :D

[el bigpig]

thank you.

[Anarchist Freedom]

agreed trotsky athletes are way fuckin over payed i know people that work twice as fuck as hard as they do and they make nothing. thats not fuckin right if you ask that a basketball player that can go to practice a bit then go to games then go out and party with his other rich bourgesis friends yet the proletarien goes home after work and his only escape is his hole in the wall house crackin open a beer to watch tv. thats not right man its fuckin wrong.


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[Pawn Power]

college "american football" coaches get paid more then double or even triple then the professors at the same school, makes me puke.

[DaCuBaN]

Football and Sports clubs, They should be privately owned!!

NO!

My own preference would be to outlaw professional sport, and leave it as it was intended - an amatuer pass-time. That is obviously going to be quite unpopular though...

The only other way I could see it is having regional teams controlled by a 'Ministry of Recreations' to feed funds back into the country - but I don't like that at all.

[Saint-Just]

Anyone know Winston Bogarde? He is in his 30s and was a brilliant dutch full back. Anyway, he moved to Chelsea about 2 years ago. But for the last season or so he has been living in Amsterdam and only travelling to London for training occasionally because they never bring him to a game. He earns about £40,000 a week for it.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Bogarde is one of many cases though. Ok, maybe they don't all go to their own countries, but a lot of players get paid loads for sod all. Nick Barmby, Anelka when he was at Madrid, Denilson.... the list goes on.

I've always said the great sportsmen are our own untouchables. I mean, who wants to limit the success that their favourite football (or whatever sport other people like) players receive.

Don't get me wrong though, the wages are absurd. For me and for I'm sure many others who love football, it's hard to criticise the sport and the organisation of the business side. Because rearranging the business side who have too much of an impact on the playing side that we love.

I definately think one major step that should be taken however is a salary cap.

This debate would just turn into a debate on the structure of sports though and way too much detail is needed. I mean you'd need to deal with staggers on possible salary caps between certain countries and certain levels of football etc....

[Mononoke I9]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 09:45 PM

NO!

My own preference would be to outlaw professional sport, and leave it as it was intended - an amatuer pass-time. That is obviously going to be quite unpopular though...

The only other way I could see it is having regional teams controlled by a 'Ministry of Recreations' to feed funds back into the country - but I don't like that at all.
i totally agree with you, professionalizing sports has effectively defeated its very purpose. instead of being the recreational pastime that it was originally intended to be, it has become an exclusive club, a status symbol for those who were priviledged enough to be tempered for the sport at a young age, and talented enough to rise through its ranks. sports are no longer an option for the common man. instead, he goes home, after working a ten hour day, too exhausted to exercise, cracks open a beer, flops down on his roach infested couch and watches these spoiled children play with their balls. and he worships them, completley unaware of the bitter irony.
so what if people won't like the end of professional sports. it's only because they fail to realize what a burden the atheletes are on the rest of society. if some how the message could get out between the gatorade and nike commercials pushing their irresitable message to "live extreme!" and the never ending media coverage, worshipping the very ground these atheletes walk on, think of how fast the owners and players' salaries would dry up. we pay so that these people, who don't know the meaning of labor, can live soft lives while we toil, grow old and die in annonymous graves.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

" it has become an exclusive club, a status symbol for those who were priviledged enough to be tempered for the sport at a young age, and talented enough to rise through its ranks. sports are no longer an option for the common man"

Are you seriously suggesting that? You're saying the "common man" cannot make in sport anymore?

Or am I misunderstanding your post.

I'd say at least 70% of footballers in the English Premier League are from what we would call a "working class" or "common" background.

To suggest that is ludicrous. It's not a warped idea that "anyone can make it" in sport, because anyone with the talent CAN make it and have. Yes, you need the talent, but you do in everything.

[DaCuBaN]

Exactly the same argument applies to musicians;painters;poets;writers - It is the fault of our society that this is the case, but it all comes back to the 'professional' aspect of it

There's someone floating about with a sig that harks on about how 'specialisation is for insects' and although I don't entirely agree, it seems to be valid here.

[Saint-Just]

Denilson.... the list goes on.

Whas has Denilson's situation been?

[Funky Monk]

People get payed that much because sport has become a hugh business. Its a simple equation. Better players = more success = more supporters = more people willing to buy merchandise and attend games = more money.


This means that people are willing to spend extortionate amounts of money to attract the best players as it could ultimately make them more money.

What does anyone think of the Quatar league? All that business with Rivaldo looks rather wierd.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Mao, I'm referring to Denilson a few years back when he went to Real Betis for a then world record fee. He was also on absurd wages from Betis who promptly renegotiated after his first season after seeing that he was nothing but a show pony who did little for the team! Since he left Betis I'm unaware of anything similar happening. He returned to Brazil and they can't pay huge wages there anyway.


The Qatar league is the extreme. Now we know where the Sheiks' oil income goes!

[Comrade Latino]

I don't know how could Betis afford to pay Denlson so much and then just boot him out.

[Kurai Tsuki]

Originally posted by el [email protected] 29 2004, 03:04 PM
I amy be wrong but I even hear that communist and/or dictatorships even give exceedingly high wages to athletes, they do repersent the country.
You hear? Egads this isn't a high school boy discussion, you should be able to cite information if you want to use it as a point.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by Socialsmo o [email protected] 1 2004, 05:08 PM
Mao, I'm referring to Denilson a few years back when he went to Real Betis for a then world record fee. He was also on absurd wages from Betis who promptly renegotiated after his first season after seeing that he was nothing but a show pony who did little for the team! Since he left Betis I'm unaware of anything similar happening. He returned to Brazil and they can't pay huge wages there anyway.


The Qatar league is the extreme. Now we know where the Sheiks' oil income goes!
I didn't know he had moved from Betis actually. He is still a great player though, he should have come to Liverpool.

Batistuta plays in the Middle East, so do some other players that I have forgotten.

[Comrade Latino]

Batistuta is playing in the middle east? What team is he playing for?

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

He is in the Qatari league for a team called Al-Arabi. I think they gave him like a $9 million deal over two years! But he is on his way to England, possibly for Fulham apparently.

Many players are going to the middle east in their pre-retirement years. Teddy Sheringham was considering it. The great Carlos Valderramma went there. Edmundo I believe is going. Ronald de Boer also. Christophe Dugarry has gone there, to Qatar Sports Club, on a $2million deal for one year.

Frank Lebouf went to play for Al Saad last year.

Steffan Effenberg, Fernando Hierro.

Henrik Larsson was tempted.

[T_SP]

The header on this thread should say

They should be publicly owned!!
Sorry all! If anyone can, change it please :P

[Comrade Latino]

I thought Hierro was playing for the Real Madrid.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

No. He left two seasons ago.