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Red Flag
27th June 2004, 01:22
I was made aware of Christiania by a Danish Comrade some time ago, I recently came accross the following from www.wikipedia.com:

"Examples of "successful" anarchies
In recent history there have been numerous instances of collapse of state authority, sometimes prompted by war but also often due to implosion of the state. In some cases, state collapse is followed by lawlessness, rioting, looting and, if disarray lasts long enough, eventually warlordism; such societies are often described as anarchy.

In some rare cases, society spontaneously and peacefully organizes itself without a government along philosophical anarchist lines. A functioning anarchy would then be a society maintaining stability and civil society without hierarchies. There are some examples, usually small and/or short-lived, which are considered successful anarchies in this sense.

The Free City of Christiania is a quarter of Copenhagen that became semi-independent and self-governing in the 1970s after an anarchist commune took over army barracks in the center of the city. While in principle governed by the laws of Denmark, it is usually left alone by the authorities. For a third of a century, this self-described social experiment has successfully resolved conflicts threatening its continued existence, arising both internally and from the Danish state."

"Christiania, also known as the Freetown Christiania, is a partially self-governing neighborhood in the city of Copenhagen, Denmark, which has established semi-legal status as an independent community.

Christiania was founded in 1971, when a group of hippie squatters took over an area of abandoned military barracks. One of the more influential persons was Jacob Ludvigsen, who published an anarchist newspaper, which widely announced the proclamation of the free state. For years the legal status of the region was in limbo, as the Danish government attempted, without success, to remove the squatters.

The neighborhood is accessible only through two main entrances, and cars are not allowed.

Famous for its main drag, known as Pusher Street, where hash was sold openly from permanent stands until 2004, it nevertheless does have rules forbidding hard drugs. The region negotiated an arrangement with the Danish defense ministry (which still owns the land) in 1995, and the residents now pay taxes. The future of the area remains in doubt, though, as Danish authorities continue to push for its removal.

The inhabitants fight back with humor or persistence - for instance, when authorities in 2002 demanded that the hash trade be made less visible, the stands were covered in military camouflage nets. On January 4, 2004, the stands were finally demolished by the owners themselves (without stopping the hash trade as such, which continued on a person-to-person basis) as a way of persuading the government to allow the Free State to continue to exist."

The Feral Underclass
27th June 2004, 07:18
Free State of Christiania, Successful Anarchism since 1973

How can Christiania be an example of succesful anarchism if it is a state?

And how exactly can a state be free?

CubanFox
27th June 2004, 07:42
I know what you meant by that, but just for the sake of being a pedantic prick, I'm going to define "free state" in the context of Christiania.

It's actually not a "free state", more of a small "free city". What they mean by that is that the city controls the small area around itself, rather than the area controlling the city, as in the USA.

Either way, the appellation "free state" has nothing to do with the actual government. It could be as anarchist as anything, but the way things are going it looks like Christiania is going down the drain, sadly.

Nothing Human Is Alien
27th June 2004, 16:57
What's in a name. The "People's" Republic of China is anything but..

Raisa
27th June 2004, 19:33
Thats very nice. Its like one street long that place, and every one is on the line of anarchism, and if their not they can go down the street and be a capitalist.

But there is a whole world and we cant use some one street anarchist commune as a standard.

socialistfuture
27th June 2004, 22:16
I met a guy who lived there not long after it was started.
It used to be the army barricks and it was going to be pulled down and tonnes of people decided to squat in there. Eventually the police and govt of Denmark gave up and left them to it.

I always thought it was more known as a hippy place than a free Anarchist society - but I guess in some ways it was. Apparently it is quite different now, the government has clamped down on it lots and people need permits and have to pay taxes (I think) because the current govt is quite right wing.

Apparently the only thing not welcome back in the day was Junkies. The city had its own structure and looked after itself, of course like a commune it cannot last forever on its own eventually capitalists will try to wedge their way in. I would still like to go there. It was an intresting experiment.

Here is an article from the Danish Socialist Worker for anyone is able to read Danish: http://www.socialister.dk/avisen/viewartic...p?ArticleID=312 (http://www.socialister.dk/avisen/viewarticle.asp?ArticleID=312)

RedAnarchist
27th June 2004, 22:49
www.christiania.org - in english and dansk

el bigpig
29th June 2004, 19:23
I now have a reason to stop by Denmark.

So this is a semi-free state that has to abide by few laws and taxation?

What about laws against killing, rape? IE the more major laws.

el bigpig
29th June 2004, 19:33
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 10:49 PM
www.christiania.org - in english and dansk
can i get a link to the english section?

The idealist
30th June 2004, 22:21
What about laws against killing, rape? IE the more major laws.

The laws of Denmark are actually valid in christiania, but the police have a relaxed view on the "minor-laws" these laws are upheld by the community in general. (eg, bastards are lobbed out)

Major laws are enforced by both the police and the community.



I always thought it was more known as a hippy place than a free Anarchist society

Hippies can't be anarchists? Who is to stop them? :)

The idealist
30th June 2004, 22:22
What about laws against killing, rape? IE the more major laws.

The laws of Denmark are actually valid in christiania, but the police have a relaxed view on the "minor-laws" these laws are upheld by the community in general. (eg, bastards are lobbed out)

Major laws are enforced by both the police and the community.



I always thought it was more known as a hippy place than a free Anarchist society

Hippies can't be anarchists? Who is to stop them? :)

Louis Pio
1st July 2004, 16:25
I live 10 min. from Christiania.
It don't have much to do with anarchism. It's impossible to get a house out there unless you know somebody so most of the houses is occupied by well off old hippies.
Before the police arrested most of the pushers Christiania was a exellent example of rogue capitalism, the pushers made millions and could always get their way.

The Christiania of today has very little to do with the Christiania of 1973.