Fahrenheit 9/11

[Rex_20XD6]

I hear that Fahrenheit 9/11 has alto of political comedy is funny but one sided. I want to see it very bad but I want to know if it’s worth my $7.50.

[Michael De Panama]

Definitely see it, man.

I already started a thread about it here:
http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26344

[Skeptic]

I went to go see it on opening day. The film seems like an honest attempt to move people politically. Since 911 the Govt. went to Hollywood and asked them to get on board with the war effort so there has been a derth of any kind of serious questioning or politcal dialogue in movies, I think people are straving to hear someone stand up to the Bush Adminstration and Washington's immoral war on the world.

There is at least one occasion where Moore played fast and loose with the truth:

Michael Moore plays with the truth again in his new movie Fahrenheit 911. The main Senator that Moore quizzes on the street asking him to send his children to the front lines of Iraq, went on National Television to give his side of the interaction. The Senator said that that the film maker edited out most of the Senator's response and that he told Moore that he had a nephew serving in the military. The Senator did not say whether his nephew was overseas or not.

He also 'shoots from the hip' when it comes to blaming Saudi Arabia for the attack. When the Saudis who were named as the hijackers have either come up alive and had never been to the USA or the had security clearances and worked for spook agencies, giving their address on U.S. government installations, like flight training centers and language schools. You don't get a security clearance and then suddenly decide to attack you employers. Moore's film could be used as an excuse in the future to wage war on Saudi Arabia, which would be wrong.

Some have complained that Moore editiorializes, but Roger Ebert said that all documentaries editorialize, espeically good documentaries. Objectivity is a crock anyway.

I suggest people go to see the film, there is good exposure of many issues, it is a pretty emotional experience. It is a scathing look at the Bush Adminstration. Michael Moore seems to have a good heart, I wish that he would not fudge the truth enough to be criticized however. The main thrust of the film is honest and powerful.

[fuerzasocialista]

best documentary ever!!!

every right winger is going to try to discredit the film anyway they can.

[Rex_20XD6]

Skeptic wrights alot. But the real question is it really badly one sided?

[Commie-K]

Yes, it's one sided because he's trying to prove his position. Why would he show the other side, it would take away from the point of the film. And you shouldn't be mad at him for being one-sided, the media is everyday, while Michael Moore only gets a few chances every once in a while.

[Rex_20XD6]

OK ok, im going to see it on MONDAY! heray! :P

[martingale]

I saw this interview of Michael Moore conducted by Matt Lauer of NBC. Lauer was relentlessly criticizing Moore for his film, from his motives for making it to his alleged misrepresentation of the facts. Moore calmly answered all his criticisms. At the end of the interview, Moore turned the tables around and asked Lauer why didn't he and other members of the mainstream media applied the same relentless critique on the Bush administration in the lead-up to the Iraq war, instead of being the war's cheerleaders. Lauer just sat there, stunned, and didn't know what to say!

As for calling Moore un-American, unpatriotic, or even a traitor for criticizing the government, I'm reminded of Huey Long's quote: "When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the American flag".

[Michael De Panama]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 06:20 AM
I saw this interview of Michael Moore conducted by Matt Lauer of NBC. Lauer was relentlessly criticizing Moore for his film, from his motives for making it to his alleged misrepresentation of the facts. Moore calmly answered all his criticisms. At the end of the interview, Moore turned the tables around and asked Lauer why didn't he and other members of the mainstream media applied the same relentless critique on the Bush administration in the lead-up to the Iraq war, instead of being the war's cheerleaders. Lauer just sat there, stunned, and didn't know what to say!

As for calling Moore un-American, unpatriotic, or even a traitor for criticizing the government, I'm reminded of Huey Long's quote: "When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the American flag".
This will be a better documentary:

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

[fuerzasocialista]

Michael Moore hates America huh? Saw the website, looks interesting. Although I think Moore is trying to save America, not hate it.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 04:27 AM
best documentary ever!!!
Michael Moore < John Pilger

[kadamangudy]

Its a great documentary, was my first trip to the movie theater in 2 years and was for the better. I saw a preview to the new Che movie, "motorcycle diaries" we shall see how good that is though

[Pawn Power]

they arent even playing it in my local cinema :o

[Kobbot 401]

Ya i just got home frome seeing Fahrenheit 9/11. It was good. It told you about all the little ops&#39;es that the Bush had and all the conections that Osama, Bush, and meny other people had to one another.

I now believe that Bush is a Democrat waving a Republican flag. He says hes going to help the people (Rep.), but behind the backs of the public eye, hes droping money into big buisnesses hands (Dem.). Even better was that the soilders were making less to fight in Iraq, then the people getting paied to make the MREs and other products. Even the members of the Houses arnt willing to send their children over to Iraq to fight, but are looking at getting the "poor" communities to send there childern to war.

[Rex_20XD6]

My only problem with the movie is that Mr. Moore basically tells you the bush is this big old bad man and has done nothing good for this country. It also shouldn’t be called a documentary because in a documentary your point of view is not involved.

[Rex_20XD6]

When you were in the theater, where there a lot of old people? There was when we went.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 03:26 PM
I hear that Fahrenheit 9/11 has alto of political comedy is funny but one sided. I want to see it very bad but I want to know if it’s worth my &#036;7.50.
It&#39;s rated R. You&#39;ll need a parent or guardian to see it unfortunately.

[Skeptic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 04:22 AM
I went to go see it on opening day. The film seems like an honest attempt to move people politically. Since 911 the Govt. went to Hollywood and asked them to get on board with the war effort so there has been a derth of any kind of serious questioning or politcal dialogue in movies, I think people are straving to hear someone stand up to the Bush Adminstration and Washington&#39;s immoral war on the world.

There is at least one occasion where Moore played fast and loose with the truth:

Michael Moore plays with the truth again in his new movie Fahrenheit 911. The main Senator that Moore quizzes on the street asking him to send his children to the front lines of Iraq, went on National Television to give his side of the interaction. The Senator said that that the film maker edited out most of the Senator&#39;s response and that he told Moore that he had a nephew serving in the military. The Senator did not say whether his nephew was overseas or not.

He also &#39;shoots from the hip&#39; when it comes to blaming Saudi Arabia for the attack. When the Saudis who were named as the hijackers have either come up alive and had never been to the USA or the had security clearances and worked for spook agencies, giving their address on U.S. government installations, like flight training centers and language schools. You don&#39;t get a security clearance and then suddenly decide to attack you employers. Moore&#39;s film could be used as an excuse in the future to wage war on Saudi Arabia, which would be wrong.

Some have complained that Moore editiorializes, but Roger Ebert said that all documentaries editorialize, espeically good documentaries. Objectivity is a crock anyway.

I suggest people go to see the film, there is good exposure of many issues, it is a pretty emotional experience. It is a scathing look at the Bush Adminstration. Michael Moore seems to have a good heart, I wish that he would not fudge the truth enough to be criticized however. The main thrust of the film is honest and powerful.
Earlier I wrote that Moore Edited a Congressman unfairly. I posted this comment to another message board and a person posted a link to MichaelMoore.com, there the film maker listed a verbatim transcript of the interchange between he and Rep. Kenny and it was exactly as protrayed in the film Fahrenheit 9/11. Most all the criticisms I have seen of the film are petty ones. Also I am in favor of advocacy journalism. Objectivity in jounralism is a crock. Writers should state there positions in documentaries.