Marijuana in Canada

[Rex_20XD6]

what do you think about alowing marijuana in canada for sick people?

[Rex_20XD6]

Also do think it is a good thing to have "safe zones" were people that are not medically injured can light up at? :huh:

[Louis Pio]

You do know that marijuana kill a little less then 1/3 of the sick people who took it for medical reasons.

I don't really think marijuana kills people. I only heard about one case so far. Don't you think the people actually die because they are sick?

[cormacobear]

That's the most rediculous statistic I've ever seen. There's something wrong with that research, I've read hundreds of studies in "peer reveiwed articles".That's the key if you want real sciencse a not what some guys dog told him to write.

Do you honestly beleive that in hundreds of trials in dozens of countries and several states medical Marijuana use would have been approved had it been true that it was the cause of death in 1/3 of the cases of prescribed marijuana use.

I&#39;d like to see your source on that. <_<

The only death i&#39;ve found credibly accredited to Marijuana use is a kid choked to death in the states after swallowing a plastic bag containing 3 1/2 grams of marijuana, after he was pulled over by the police.

I&#39;m sure there have benn several automtive deaths due to Marijuan use, but it&#39;s difficult to find accurate statistics on that. As well I&#39;m certain there have been a few lung Cancer deaths due to Marijuana. They can&#39;t show how marijuana causes lung cancer like they can with smoking, but it triggers most of the same biological responses so it seems likely. There will of course be more info in the comeing years as the generation that came of age in the sixties comes of age, we&#39;ll have better sources of info. on the long term affects.

If 50% of Canadians admit to having done marijuana i&#39;d say maybe a law that half the pop. is breaking any way should be scrapped.
(man I can spell at all today, i clicked on edit to fix the spelling mistakes but I have to go drop off flyers for the N.D.P. right now no time.)

[Louis Pio]

The only death i&#39;ve found credibly accredited to Marijuana use is a kid choked to death in the states after swallowing a plastic bag containing 3 1/2 grams of marijuana, after he was pulled over by the police.


Recently there was a british guy dying of hash. The thing is just he used to smoke 4-6 joints a day over a period of 30 years. Suddenly his body couldn&#39;t take it. That&#39;s the only death I heard about.

[Kobbot 401]

which is worse for you though, someking cigerets or smoking a weed. The chemincals in cigerets have been found to cause lung cancer faster then the cemincals in weed. So is it safe to say that if you had a choise bettween the two, smoking a joint is safer.

Here in Washington our news station had a story about a house that alllowed people to come in and use sterilized needles to shot up cock. They said it was a safe house for the druggies to do their drugs. How much bull is that. The people running the house are causeing more harm then good. The police have threated to raid the house and the owners say they wont quite running the place.

[DaCuBaN]

I remember reading a British Medical Association paper stating that smoking three joints a day was equivelant to smoking 20 cigarettes a day.

Considering that the medical use of the tetrahydrocanibol will be either through ingestion or injection and not smoking, this isn&#39;t really an issue.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I remember reading a British Medical Association paper stating that smoking three joints a day was equivelant to smoking 20 cigarettes a day.

Did they say whether it was resin or leaf? I might accept that resin is equivalent to smoking a 20 pack (Particularly the cheap stuff) But considering that Marijuana leaves have no tar I&#39;m incredibly skeptical.

Also did they take into account the fact that many marijuana smokers mix it with tobacco?

[DaCuBaN]

If I remember correctly it was only a small study - perhaps 200 smokers, but it was based on resin mixed with tobacco, and it took place in the UK.

I can&#39;t remember all the details, but I&#39;m sure given time I&#39;ll find some linkage...

Here&#39;s one (http://www.mssociety.ca/en/research/medmmo-marijuanastudies-Nov03.htm)

Here&#39;s another (http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0999/is_7267_321/ai_66881307)

But I can&#39;t find the specific article <_<
I&#39;ll post back soon as I find something.

*EDIT*
Gotcha&#33; (http://www.sk.lung.ca/content.cfm/xtra28)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I notice that problems with marijuana only occur when you smoke 3 joints a day for years at a time - which is what most people don&#39;t do.

Also I am very doubtful of the claims that marijuana causes psychosis. You have to ask the question: Are pot smokers more likely to develop psychosis, or are people who develop psychoses more likely to smoke pot?

And the claims that more people turn violent on pot than alcohol are ridiculous in themselves.

[Kobbot 401]

Smoking weed gets you hooked on that, just weed. The main problem arises because dealers mix the weed with other drugs causing you to get addicted to thouse drugs. Its ok if you smoke straight grass, but mixing it with other stuff really can fuck you up.

[DaCuBaN]

And the claims that more people turn violent on pot than alcohol are ridiculous in themselves

I used to agree here... more recently though I&#39;ve found many of my smoking buddies to be getting more and more aggressive...

I&#39;m yet to experience this myself, but I&#39;m not willing to rule it out.


Are pot smokers more likely to develop psychosis, or are people who develop psychoses more likely to smoke pot?

Ditto with the argument about it being a &#39;gateway drug&#39;. Those who are willing to take the first leap and try the presently illegal weed are of course going to be more likely to move onto harder drugs - but this is not as a result of the drug itself. With this logic it&#39;s possible to even surmise that legalisation would help to expunge harder drugs from our society.

I don&#39;t think it would change things one bit in all honesty.


I notice that problems with marijuana only occur when you smoke 3 joints a day for years at a time - which is what most people don&#39;t do

If you smoke weed with tobacco, you inevitably become addicted to the mixer substance, and create a psychological link between the two substances. In the UK this is by far the most common method through which it&#39;s consumed, and hence does carry far more severe dangers than it&#39;s credited.

On the flipside, smoking pure bud through a water-bong shouldn&#39;t do much :)


what do you think about alowing marijuana in canada for sick people?

I can&#39;t believe anyone would get in the way of a possible medical treatment. It&#39;s as utterly bizarre as the laws against stem cell research as far as I&#39;m concerned.

[Kobbot 401]

I&#39;ll just say this, legalize it damnit. We have people sitting in jail on possesion charges, if they werent in there overcrowding in prisons wouldent happen.

[Commie-K]

It&#39;s not like people only go to jail for possession..

[Kobbot 401]

yes but there are quiet a few of them that are locked up. the cost to pay for such people being imprisond is quiet alot.

[h&s]

In the UK it costs £40,000p/a to keep someone "at her majesty&#39;s pleasure," so yes, it costs a lot to keep someone in gaol.

[refuse_resist]

Here in California medical marijuana is pretty much legal. You can get certain doctors to write you a prescription for cannabis if you have AIDs, cancer, different types of body pain, migraines, etc. The list is so huge. Once this is done, you get this card to the Cannabis Club, which allows you to buy marijuana over the counter at certain places that sells to patients. They also allow you to grow so many plants indoors and outdoors.

It really needs to be legalized already, compared to alcohol and nicotine in ciggarettes, it&#39;s less harmful, physically. Mentally, it can be a whole different story, depending on the person.

[Stapler]

Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 29 2004, 09:10 AM
In the UK it costs £40,000p/a to keep someone "at her majesty&#39;s pleasure," so yes, it costs a lot to keep someone in gaol.
People aren&#39;t even put into jail for heroin posession, so this really isn&#39;t an issue.

[el bigpig]

maybe not so much "safe houses" need to be established, but places definitely need to carry a license to sell and house marijuana users.

[Rex_20XD6]

Originally posted by el [email protected] 29 2004, 07:43 PM
maybe not so much "safe houses" need to be established, but places definitely need to carry a license to sell and house marijuana users.
In Canada, they have a set up like that but there are still people who aren’t sick and are still lighting up. What about them?

[Rex_20XD6]

DaCuBaN is right...

[Take the Power back]

To the posters who mentioed mixing it with tobacco: That seems to be more of a non-north american thing, if you know what I mean. I&#39;ve talked to fellow smokers in Britain (Im in America) and they all mix it with tobacco. But, most American smokers seem to keep it as is. To each his own.

[DaCuBaN]

The UK gets a lot of Resin. If you could smoke resin without something to mix in, you&#39;re a better man than me.

When I have the green, I smoke it unadulterated :)

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by Take the Power [email protected] 30 2004, 05:45 AM
To the posters who mentioed mixing it with tobacco: That seems to be more of a non-north american thing, if you know what I mean. I&#39;ve talked to fellow smokers in Britain (Im in America) and they all mix it with tobacco. But, most American smokers seem to keep it as is. To each his own.
Actually... I&#39;ve known lots of people who smoke it that way. I&#39;ve tried it a few times myself, but I don&#39;t like it. Some of my friends used to call it "chop" since they cut it up and mixed it in with the bud. It wasn&#39;t all that great. The best way is just to smoke it as it is.


The UK gets a lot of Resin. If you could smoke resin without something to mix in, you&#39;re a better man than me.

When I have the green, I smoke it unadulterated

Gotta love the resin :D

[Purple]

also keep in mind that weed is addictive, and also therefore can give bad results, after all, it is a drug..

[DaCuBaN]

Indeed it is psychologically addictive, and if mixed with tobacco is both psychologically and physically addictive.

In it&#39;s &#39;mixed&#39; form it&#39;s worse than cigarettes: you get the nicotine hit from the tobacco and the mind altering effects of the tetrahydrocanibol in the weed.

It is certainly something that shouldn&#39;t be taken lightly.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 06:54 PM

Did they say whether it was resin or leaf? I might accept that resin is equivalent to smoking a 20 pack (Particularly the cheap stuff) But considering that Marijuana leaves have no tar I&#39;m incredibly skeptical.

Also did they take into account the fact that many marijuana smokers mix it with tobacco?
It&#39;s about the combination marijuana and tobacco which is the equivalent of 20 cigarettes.

[Kobbot 401]

What is so wrong with legalizing Mary Jane in the world. Most forin counties use it for medical reasons allready, so why not just let it go.

[insurgency03]

so far it hasnt killed me and im not even sick, in fact its the greatest feeling next to sex that a person could probly have and not give u any real threats to ur life( other than the 1s that ciggatetts give u 2). plus all the money on prisners 4 possesion, all the time and man power our &#39;police" use on catching people on or possessing it, the affect it would have on crime rates, and it would also hurt drug cartels really bad if it were legal, hell i can think of a hundred reasons why it should be legal, in canada and the states 2, hell everywhere.

so 2 hell with just sick people, let every1 toke it up if they want 2, it&#39;d make a lot of real uptight asswholes a whole lot easier to deal with.

[tglaeser]

I think it should be legalized for people whom have chronic pain. Such as Fibromiyalga (sp?) My mother has this Chronic illness, and it helps to take a few tokes of the "Illegal Cigerette".

Let me make a point (For those of us in Canada)

Take a look at what drugs the government want you to have, and Doctorswill sign you a perscription for, Perks, T-3&#39;s, Apometoclop, Climazopam (sp?), Marphine, Vallium, Methadone, etc, etc. All of these pills I have seem someone in my family take, just to rid the pain. These pills are not only addictive, but they kill you, from the inside out, eating away at your liver and stomache.

And the government doesn&#39;t want us to have a gram of Marijuana? Do you hear of someone dieing from smoking a joint? I have never.

So, I guess the government of Canada will not legalize Marijuana until people start to die from the stuff.

/Tom