Why Communism Will Not Work In The Near Future

[robob8706]

The only reason communism or basic socialism will not work is solely because people refuse to allow it to work. That is, communism will not work so long as no one has faith in it. Agree? Disagree? Please, Debate!.

[Kobbot 401]

I agree with Robob. The people must be willing to work towards change. If no one is willing to help in the overthrowing of bourgoisie then the belife behind communism is lost.

[Commie-K]

I, also, am with Robob.

I am all for communism, but I believe that it will not come any time soon, especially under current circumstances. It will not come "because people refuse to allow it to work." But, Robob says that because I believe that a communist society will not come, it does not make me a communist. I see where he's going, since me not believing that it will come is just adding to the bigger problem: people not allowing it to come. But still, I believe strongly in communist ideals, does that not make me a communist? I support it, and think a communist society would be ideal. But does the simple fact that I do not believe it will happen eliminate me from being considered a communist? I think not, but I want your opinion.

[Kez]

One could argue that it does.

As a communist you have duties.

You have a duty to educate yourself, to improve your political level to the highest degree. Do you do this? Have you read the books of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Bakhunin and so on?

Secondly, you have a duty work with the working class to win them over to socialism.Ifyou do not work with the working class you are nothing but a secterian.

The revolution is only as imminent as we (as communists) want it to be. If we all go campaign for revolution, it will be much closer than if we all stay at home and fuck about. I personally believe revolution can be here within 20 years.

I think one has to abide by the 2 above duties to truly consider themselves as a communist. What you think?

[Commie-K]

Well, I guess you're right, Kez. We do have to work if we want change. But, if those duties (1.educating yourself 2.working for change)define a communist, then I guess there are ALOT of communist wannabes.

[Kez]

exactly comrade,

the point however is to change this.

[Commie-K]

Well, I guess we're all in for a lot of work then.

[h&s]

It does not eliminate you from being an 'ideological communist' as most people start out being.
I think what Kez put is right, as I once read "there is no such thing as an armchair communist" you have to go out and make your views known.
It is our duty to create the revolution, not just sit around waiting for it to happen.

[Kobbot 401]

And how Kez do we change the fact that meny people, expesioly in the US, are oposed to Communism?

[Commie-K]

You give them the facts, and explain how the U.S. portays Communism is false.

[h&s]

I think in the US you would have to get a government in that would open up the biased media to independant reporting before communism could work.

[Kez]

yep,you work in the unions, you work in your communist organisation.

WE must all "patiently explain" to the workers. True, the media is on the US's side, but its certainly not impossible.

BUT, we must first have the correct theory in ourselves, without this were nothing. We can use our spare time to read, as Che said we should, and never complain about reading. Then we will be correct when were working with the workers.

[h&s]

We all have to unite to make a difference.
All of the leftists should unite and align our theorys.

[Kez]

or simply to discuss enough to iron out the incorrect elements.

[Kobbot 401]

There still is the problem of strong willed people who are seeking to stop communism at any and all cost. There is allready so much that the midia dose dot allow, and you can only affect such a small percentage of the people.

[Commie-K]

Kobbot, this is where the work part comes in.

[h&s]

Kobbot, this is where the work part comes in.
Yes, we really need to work hard towards our goal.
"No pain, no gain."

[Rex_20XD6]

Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 25 2004, 12:49 PM
Yes, we really need to work hard towards our goal.
"No pain, no gain."
If you dont then the government gets no money and it fails. the end no more people say anything! :ph34r:

[EL Revolucionario]

I believe that Communism really has a small chance of ever working in the remaining time that the world has. Man has the intrinsic quality of being egomaniacal and self-indulgent and never really shares its possessions. No matter how many people may say that they will give up their possessions, many will not follow through. For example, let's all imagine we are farmers, to be more exact cow breeders. If you have 10 cows on your farm and your neighbor has none at all, will you give him half of your cows? Many of you will say sure but if you ask the populace, deep down many will not give them any cows but yearn for 20 cows. Mankind is a competive being and as soon as man can overcome this characteristic, communism is just an idea. Through my perspective, communism is a beautiful idea but it is too utopian and from observing humans, it is seemingly futile. I love communism and actually, I pray for communism. I have seen the poor in America and the rest of Latin America and it just saddens me. America is a horrible country because it is all capitalist and acts like it helps the people but really it doesn't. America only helps other countries for an ulterior motive, profit. One example is the current war for oil. There are many other countries worse off than Iraq but why do we attack Iraq, for a profit. It is despicable. Well those are my two cents. Communism actually working in today's time is slim because of humans obsession with money but I wish and hope that somehow some way we can all change.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by EL Revolucionario+Posted on Jul 2 2004, 09:09 PM--> (EL Revolucionario @ Posted on Jul 2 2004, 09:09 PM)For example, let's all imagine we are farmers, to be more exact cow breeders. If you have 10 cows on your farm and your neighbor has none at all, will you give him half of your cows? Many of you will say sure but if you ask the populace, deep down many will not give them any cows but yearn for 20 cows. Mankind is a competive being and as soon as man can overcome this characteristic, communism is just an idea. [/b]

It depends when you're asking. In modern times, you could be right. But if you go way back and just look for a second, you will realize that humans would always share anything in whatever scenario. It's a lesson you would learn in any High School Anthropology class, for most of humanity's existance, it has practiced reciprocity. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should all become nomads and live more primitive lives(although in some of my more romantic and foolish moods I find it tempting :lol: ), but it's a pretty obvious example of how being competitive is not human nature. So far as I have seen, the only thing in human nature I have found to be consistant is a constant struggle to be free.


EL [email protected] on Jul 2 2004, 09:09 PM
Through my perspective, communism is a beautiful idea but it is too utopian and from observing humans, it is seemingly futile.

Utopian? I hate that word, look, there's nothing perfect about Communism, no one who doesn't fool themself would say otherwise.

[EL Revolucionario]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 03:33 AM

It depends when you're asking. In modern times, you could be right. But if you go way back and just look for a second, you will realize that humans would always share anything in whatever scenario. It's a lesson you would learn in any High School Anthropology class, for most of humanity's existance, it has practiced reciprocity. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should all become nomads and live more primitive lives(although in some of my more romantic and foolish moods I find it tempting :lol: ), but it's a pretty obvious example of how being competitive is not human nature. So far as I have seen, the only thing in human nature I have found to be consistant is a constant struggle to be free.

well of course modern times because in truth there is no way that civilization can degenerate to those times unless a massive nuclear attack comes over the entire world. In today's time and I believe forever, humans become more competetive over time and this will lead to our destruction. Well i guess you can say that competition is not a true intrinsic quality of human beings but we have developed this characteristic. It may not have been there always but we have all adapted to this notion. Let's just say the majority then. Competition is a prominent characterisic in most (meaning 99%) of our populace.

[TylerDurdan]

Communism will not work untill the people have lost the caruptian that capatalism causes . It is not somthing that can be set up in a short time and that is the problem with communism today and in the past. It is put in after a revoultion so they want to get the system working fast and they dont ease the people into the radical change so the people are confuzed and cant work with the system. If communism is to be achived it must be a gradule step from small amounts of socilism to full socilism to a communism/socilist mix and only then set up true Communism. Communism must wait untill we can convence everyone to work together or a better good for all.

Che Yeck-Petty
or TylerDurdan