Minorities victims of leftist spew...

[NYC4Ever]

You guys preach on and on about class struggles and such. The ones really hurting from this the most are of course minorities. They vote for these so called guilty white liberals, whom some of you would say are Mussolini because you guys are so far gone to the left, and listen to Marxist professors who talk the talk but never walk the walk. I want to see a Libertarian Che. I would fund a counter revolution with Free Market guerillas with a mindset to take away the Proletariat away from you Leninists and help them self govern.
Public Education would be the first thing to reform, which leftists have completely destroyed. Hey, how many of you are FOR vouchers for inner city minorities?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What are trying to say? How are we hurting minorities?


I would fund a counter revolution with Free Market guerillas with a mindset to take away the Proletariat away from you Leninists and help them self govern.

This is a remarkably anarchist position (Apart from the bit about free market of course) I agree with you on self-government.

[NYC4Ever]

1. High taxes and regulations keep minority upstarts down ofcourse.
2. A government monopoly on education keeps many minorities in urban closets.
3. All of the leftist spew keeps minorities in this collectivst mob mindset. As if each Latino is going to help his Latino brother when a job is at the whims.
4. The whole notion of the white power struggle is bogus and society has built a wall around keeping ignorance from the likes of the Nation of Islam, Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson from spreading into reasonable thought in America.
5. Stop calling hispanics that Free Think their way out of the clutches of the so called "free Thinkers", vendidos.
6. Minorities have the free market at thier fingertips and they waste it listening to guilty white liberals and bread and circus politicians. Not to mention Marxist professors.

Lets talk American politics.

[Osman Ghazi]

1. I'd be more worried about your condemnation if you could actually form a coherent thought. Hell, even a coherent sentence would be nice.

2. THE GOVERNMENT OF THE USA IS NOT MARXIST! It has never once in its entire history been ruled by a party that has referred to itself as Marxist. In fact, it has been the leading participant in anti-Marxism. So why do you think that we are somehow responsible for its fate?

[NYC4Ever]

I dont care if the government of the USA is not Marxist. It still adopted leftist thinking to expirement social reforms on minorities with public schooling and such. John Dewey, a self-avowed socialist, was the pioneer of public school.

[BuyOurEverything]

You guys preach on and on about class struggles and such. The ones really hurting from this the most are of course minorities.

Yes, minorities are often hurt more in a class society, this is correct.


They vote for these so called guilty white liberals, whom some of you would say are Mussolini because you guys are so far gone to the left, and listen to Marxist professors who talk the talk but never walk the walk.

I'm sure it was just an honest mistake, but you seem to have posted nonsensical rambling instead of an argument.


I would fund a counter revolution with Free Market guerillas with a mindset to take away the Proletariat away from you Leninists and help them self govern.


Leninism IS self government of the proletariat. The free market generally doesn't help anyone who doesn't already have money.


Public Education would be the first thing to reform, which leftists have completely destroyed.

Well if by 'destroyed', you mean 'created,' then yes, we're guilty as charged. The public school system in the US has disintergrated over the past many years due to underfunding from right wing governments (oh sorry, I mean an international Marxist conspiracy bent on destroying public education for minorities - that's right communists control the government, look out!)


1. High taxes and regulations keep minority upstarts down ofcourse.

Ya, if only we cut taxes (and subsequently slashed social services) all the poor minorities who presently live below the poverty line would be able to start their own businesses and prosper! What a super ideology capitalism is, why didn't we think of that?



2. A government monopoly on education keeps many minorities in urban closets.

Right, all we need to do is build a $50,000 a year private school in the middle of Compton and all the poor inner city kids will get great educations!


3. All of the leftist spew keeps minorities in this collectivst mob mindset. As if each Latino is going to help his Latino brother when a job is at the whims.

Whoops, irrelevant drivel again! (Just a heads up)


4. The whole notion of the white power struggle is bogus and society has built a wall around keeping ignorance from the likes of the Nation of Islam, Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson from spreading into reasonable thought in America.


Uh, what are you trying to say? Your post pretty much goes downhill from here, so I'll just stop.


It still adopted leftist thinking to expirement social reforms on minorities with public schooling and such. John Dewey, a self-avowed socialist, was the pioneer of public school.

Well you're correct in saying that public schooling is a leftwing idea, however you seem to be forgetting that public school, by its very nature, is for EVERYONE, not just minorities. I'd like to hear your justification for the claim that public school was an experiment on minorities. I also find it strange that you now accuse public schools of being some sort of 'twisted socialist experiment,' while in your first post, you defended them saying they would be the first reform you would make and that presently they have been destroyed by leftists (although now you claim that they were actually created by leftists).

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Leninism IS self government of the proletariat

Excuse while I hold my sides with laughter.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 06:38 PM
1. High taxes and regulations keep minority upstarts down ofcourse.
2. A government monopoly on education keeps many minorities in urban closets.
3. All of the leftist spew keeps minorities in this collectivst mob mindset. As if each Latino is going to help his Latino brother when a job is at the whims.
4. The whole notion of the white power struggle is bogus and society has built a wall around keeping ignorance from the likes of the Nation of Islam, Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson from spreading into reasonable thought in America.
5. Stop calling hispanics that Free Think their way out of the clutches of the so called "free Thinkers", vendidos.
6. Minorities have the free market at thier fingertips and they waste it listening to guilty white liberals and bread and circus politicians. Not to mention Marxist professors.

Lets talk American politics.
strong

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 24 2004, 08:49 PM
1. I'd be more worried about your condemnation if you could actually form a coherent thought. Hell, even a coherent sentence would be nice.

2. THE GOVERNMENT OF THE USA IS NOT MARXIST! It has never once in its entire history been ruled by a party that has referred to itself as Marxist. In fact, it has been the leading participant in anti-Marxism. So why do you think that we are somehow responsible for its fate?
re #1) His submission was very coherent, and made all the sense in the world. You leftist scum just don''t like it when the inherent flaws in liberal pandering to minorities is exposed for the offensive crutch it is.

re#2) I don't think that is what he was suggesting.

[Capitalist Imperial]

By the way, I've never seen a "classless society" (I.e. oppressive commie or socialist regime) that had a significant minority population. They have historically been quite homogenous.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 24 2004, 05:47 PM
By the way, I've never seen a "classless society" (I.e. oppressive commie or socialist regime) that had a significant minority population. They have historically been quite homogenous.
No one has ever tried to claim that any existing Leninist regime has been a classless society, but historically, Socialism has been the best deterrant towards ethnic conflict to ever exist. Russia is a great example. You never found much anti-Semitism after Stalin made it punishable by death.

[Louis Pio]

By the way, I've never seen a "classless society" (I.e. oppressive commie or socialist regime) that had a significant minority population. They have historically been quite homogenous.


The Soviet Union or just even Russia was not homogenous. You should read on the subject before writing. Yougoslavia was not homogenous either. China is in no way homogenous either.
All of those were stalinist regimes ín one way or another.

[redstar2000]

John Dewey, a self-avowed socialist, was the pioneer of public school.

None of us ever know as much as we should, but the depths of ignorance displayed by the cappies on this board are indeed breath-taking.


Perhaps no one more deserves the title of father of American public school education than Horace Mann...

Between 1827 and 1848, Horace Mann had a brilliant career, first as a State Representative and then as a Senator, in the Massachusetts Legislature...

In 1837 Horace Mann accepted the position of First Secretary of the State Board of Education in Massachusetts...

[In 1843] Horace Mann inspected and appraised favorably the Prussian school system...

Mann asserted that education was a natural right for every child. It is a necessary responsibility of the State to insure that education was provided for every child. This report led to the adoption of the first State law requiring compulsory attendance in school in 1852...

[In 1848] He presented a rationale for the support of public education through taxation. Society improves as a result of an educated public. He argued for non-sectarian schools, so the taxpayer would not be in the position of supporting any established religion with which he might disagree in conscience...

http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/agexed/aee501/mann.html

It's quite unlikely that the late Mr. Mann ever even heard the word "socialism".

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Y2A]

<-----Minority.

[Guerrilla22]

Hey, how many of you are FOR vouchers for inner city minorities?

Vouchers? You gotta be kidding me. True public schools are lacking in funds and at times can be sub-par, especially in the inner-city, but privatizing education is not the answer. Private schools don&#39;t have to offer special education and can decide who they allow to enroll in their school. By allowing vouchers for inner city schools, you&#39;d be helping some kids, but then hurting a whole other group of students.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 25 2004, 12:47 AM
By the way, I&#39;ve never seen a "classless society" (I.e. oppressive commie or socialist regime) that had a significant minority population. They have historically been quite homogenous.
Not every one in the Soviet Union is russian or white. There are tons of ethnic groups in that country just like in the United States, the only difference really is the history.

Was there ever a time that they forced people from some where else to come be their slave?

[Raisa]

I think vouchers are a half assed retreat from the problem.

It should be made sure that all schools are of quality.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 25 2004, 10:47 AM
By the way, I&#39;ve never seen a "classless society" (I.e. oppressive commie or socialist regime) that had a significant minority population. They have historically been quite homogenous.
The whole point of the USSR was that it had dozens of minorities in it. They gave them entire SSRs to live in. On numerous occaisons, Lenin urged the peoples of the USSR to combat Russian chauvinism.

Don&#39;t pay too much attention to history, do you?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 01:29 AM
No one has ever tried to claim that any existing Leninist regime has been a classless society, but historically, Socialism has been the best deterrant towards ethnic conflict to ever exist. Russia is a great example. You never found much anti-Semitism after Stalin made it punishable by death.
Sig Heil, anyone?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:36 AM
The whole point of the USSR was that it had dozens of minorities in it. They gave them entire SSRs to live in. On numerous occaisons, Lenin urged the peoples of the USSR to combat Russian chauvinism.

Don&#39;t pay too much attention to history, do you?
Yes, I do, and i noticed that such ethnic groups constituted most of the conscripted front line soldiers in Afghanistan.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 02:00 AM

The Soviet Union or just even Russia was not homogenous. You should read on the subject before writing. Yougoslavia was not homogenous either. China is in no way homogenous either.
All of those were stalinist regimes ín one way or another.
I&#39;m likely better read than you, sir.

China is not ethnically homogenous compared to the USA??? I want you to explain that one, without splitting hairs, by the way.

As far as the USSR goes, if you mean that individuals from the ""stan" provinces were ethnically different, then you are splitting hairs, that does not even come close to approaching the diversity in the USA. But, I will cooncede tat the peoples from those provinces were most of the front line conscripts in the Afghan war. Very fair indeed.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 06:00 AM
Not every one in the Soviet Union is russian or white. There are tons of ethnic groups in that country just like in the United States, the only difference really is the history.

Was there ever a time that they forced people from some where else to come be their slave?
Maybe not every single person down to the individual, but for all intents and purposes, it was very homogenous compared to the USA.

They never forced others to become slaves, they had plenty of slave-sources from within. The entire working class. Communism is slavery for everyone except the party elite, its been demonstrated over and over, from Stalin to Castro to Hugo Chavez.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Gentlemen, I&#39;ve never seen so much hair splitting in my life.

To suggest that the USSR or any socialist state is homogenous on the order of the USA is pathetic interpolation at best, and desperate at worst.

[Osman Ghazi]

China is not ethnically homogenous compared to the USA??? I want you to explain that one, without splitting hairs, by the way.


There are 120 million non-Han Chinese in China. Just slighty more than 10 percent.


As far as the USSR goes, if you mean that individuals from the ""stan" provinces were ethnically different, then you are splitting hairs, that does not even come close to approaching the diversity in the USA. But, I will cooncede tat the peoples from those provinces were most of the front line conscripts in the Afghan war. Very fair indeed.

What the fuck are you talking about? Are you retarded? Are you seriously trying to tell me that a Latvian is the same as a Ukrainian is the same as a Chechen is the same as a Khazak?

There were 14 &#39;soviet socialist republics&#39; in the USSR, each corresponding to a different ethnic group, all of which had their own national languages. You may notice the contrast between the USSR&#39;s 15 different national languages when compared to the US&#39;s, umm, what is it? Oh right. One. Hell, nearly 20% of the country speak Spanish but still it gets no recognition. Yet in the big bad soviet union (and ill be the first to admit that it was big and bad) they gave official language status to languages that comprised less than 2% of the population.


But, I will cooncede tat the peoples from those provinces were most of the front line conscripts in the Afghan war. Very fair indeed.

Actually, I believe the first unit to enter Afghanistan were actually an all-Russian unit of paratroopers. However, it wouldn&#39;t surprise me in the least if they used minorites ion that fashion. Hell, that&#39;s probably where the United States picked up that policy. Or haven&#39;t you noticed that minorites, especially hispanics comprise far more of the military than they do of the American population.


Yes, I do, and i noticed that such ethnic groups constituted most of the conscripted front line soldiers in Afghanistan.

Said the desert to the grain of sand.

[Louis Pio]

China is not ethnically homogenous compared to the USA??? I want you to explain that one, without splitting hairs, by the way.


China got plenty of big minorities. Manchuria is just one part. What you said was that all "socialist" states has been homogenous, and that&#39;s a pretty lame thing to say. But of course the ethnic diversity in the USA is different because it is caused by immigration mostly.


As far as the USSR goes, if you mean that individuals from the ""stan" provinces were ethnically different, then you are splitting hairs, that does not even come close to approaching the diversity in the USA. But, I will cooncede tat the peoples from those provinces were most of the front line conscripts in the Afghan war. Very fair indeed.

And the US army is made up of alot of poor people because it&#39;s the easiest way to get to college. Fair indeed, It&#39;s strange you jump from one point to another.


Communism is slavery for everyone except the party elite, its been demonstrated over and over, from Stalin to Castro to Hugo Chavez.

Chavez?? :huh:
Care to elaborate?

[EL CHICO ROJO]

i have a question which 1 of u cappies is a mionoity from the inner city because i am.. im a latino from bklyn ny, and i would lyk 2 see where capitialism helps minorities
i see the homeless, i see kids someof which im friends with who in the abstence of a good PUBLIC education system(they cannot afford private school) have droped out and turned to crime
so where do you get this from?
do you live in poverty are you a minority?
if not than do us all a favor an stut up
do you even realise that in the past the most influencial marxist lenninist group in the us THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY was started by POOR BLACK PEOPLE in the INNER CITY hu had become sick of capitialism...the BPP was a maoist organization
and they did alot to helpt he poor minorities in oakland
so read some AMERICAN HISTORY before you open your mouth an give the strereotypical picture of the young white marxist

[NYC4Ever]

I am a Chilean/Dominican American living in Houston, Tx. I was born in Washington Heights, NYC, NY. Don&#39;t act like minorities have no choice but to be left wing.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by EL CHICO [email protected] 25 2004, 03:51 PM
i have a question which 1 of u cappies is a mionoity from the inner city because i am.. im a latino from bklyn ny, and i would lyk 2 see where capitialism helps minorities
i see the homeless, i see kids someof which im friends with who in the abstence of a good PUBLIC education system(they cannot afford private school) have droped out and turned to crime
so where do you get this from?
do you live in poverty are you a minority?
if not than do us all a favor an stut up
do you even realise that in the past the most influencial marxist lenninist group in the us THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY was started by POOR BLACK PEOPLE in the INNER CITY hu had become sick of capitialism...the BPP was a maoist organization
and they did alot to helpt he poor minorities in oakland
so read some AMERICAN HISTORY before you open your mouth an give the strereotypical picture of the young white marxist
The BPP was an illegitimate thug organiization, and they will receive no reverence from me.

Race is irrelevant in this discussion.

To suggest that I need to be of a certain ethnicity to understand the construct of a political debate is racist itself. I grew up in a working class neighborhood in California, and am very aware of the problems facing minorities, especially Latinos.

I would like for you to explain to me why specifically your friends were forced to drop out. Stop apologizing for them and acknowledge their lack of responsibility.

[NYC4Ever]

Exactly. I grew up in a shitty little apartment on 152nd and Broadway in a heavy Dominican and PR nieghborhood and went to school with some of the biggest jerks who honestly did not give a flying f*ck about school. And there were lots who did. But ofcourse these people are victims of their enviroment. I thought things would be different onced I moved to Texas, but nope. Same thing, only with whites, asians, mexicans and blacks. Do not bring up the race card. Good lord.

[EL CHICO ROJO]

wait wait, i never sed anything about the white population being the problem, they are victems too, no but this conversation is about the minorities not the whole population, the white people in my neiborhood, the majority are liberals its not just minorities,but that was the topic of the conversation
now my friend , as you said were victems of thier enviornment.
i had 1ce asked a gud non political friend of mine why he droped out his response was "my parents came ta this country for money,but they are making minimim wage, and i dun see y wasting my time in school is going to do, ma father dosent have the money ta put me threw college so what am i going to do make pennies to , f**k no im gunna make cash anyway i know how"
well is that elaboration enough, his own words from a letter ,
the story is similar in many people i know
and CI regardless of your feelings toward the BPP (who i dont support personaly)
you cant change the fact that they helped the poor black community threw the opening of soup kitchens and other community organizations
i was unaware this hurt the minority population, also
when did i say they had no choice, i never did, there are black an hispanic conservatives, but a large population of minorities in the usa are poor and chose the left
because they can see a valid solution there

[NYC4Ever]

Donations, charity and contributions have helped more in minority communities. Buisnesses bring jobs and such and help the communities grow a hell of alot better than government projects.
Now were the parents of this kid you speak of citizens? There are many factors that contribute to a kid dropping out. If he chose to drop out of school to help his parents that his decision. When my father got layed off we we&#39;re kind of in the same boat, but people press on. I wouldn&#39;t say that he or I were or are victims of anything.
Alot of blacks and hispanics are actually very conservative, they just choose left because they believe it would better their communities. They need to wake up.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by EL CHICO [email protected] 25 2004, 06:02 PM
wait wait, i never sed anything about the white population being the problem, they are victems too, no but this conversation is about the minorities not the whole population, the white people in my neiborhood, the majority are liberals its not just minorities,but that was the topic of the conversation
now my friend , as you said were victems of thier enviornment.
i had 1ce asked a gud non political friend of mine why he droped out his response was "my parents came ta this country for money,but they are making minimim wage, and i dun see y wasting my time in school is going to do, ma father dosent have the money ta put me threw college so what am i going to do make pennies to , f**k no im gunna make cash anyway i know how"
well is that elaboration enough, his own words from a letter ,
the story is similar in many people i know
and CI regardless of your feelings toward the BPP (who i dont support personaly)
you cant change the fact that they helped the poor black community threw the opening of soup kitchens and other community organizations
i was unaware this hurt the minority population, also
when did i say they had no choice, i never did, there are black an hispanic conservatives, but a large population of minorities in the usa are poor and chose the left
because they can see a valid solution there
As for your friend, i don&#39;t think that taking time to finish school would be a waste, because statistically he would make much less for him and his family without a high school diploma than with at least a high scholl diploma. There are exceptions, but he is not making things easier on himself in the long run.

[EL CHICO ROJO]

well let me see
first of all charities are good but less face it your not going to wipe out inner city poverty with charity , you will need SOME kind of collectivism or socialism for that
i am not a marxist and dont belive in state run buisnesses
i an an anarchist, but i also dont belive big buisness helps
it brings employment but what good is a job when the employer is stealing your labor with underpay, for profit
commie bashing and in turn cappie bashing will get us nowhere
and left wing politics IS better for a working class community,
and yes his parents are citizens,they his mother works in a clothing store and his father in a supermarket they make very little
there are consevative minorities but alot i dun think so , that i kant say about 80% i met are liberal, some were even communists, but these are the poor im shore the rich must have different politics but
and an inverted american flag is not a unusuall site in my area,which is prodominantly puerto rican
many of us are sick of it we are sic of exploitation, and let me suprise you we arent learnig this from some lil whiny liberal college professor we are figuring it out on our own
NYC4ever , while you put up a good ebate i dont think ull ever c things my way an vican versa
after all in the end its all opinion
but I.C. your endless commei bashing only lowers U in the eyes of the people here
u wana realy debate try leaving the insullts and such out.

[NYC4Ever]

Communism is dead my friend. Socialism is all the rage these days. The neo-socialist ideals of the E.U. are sweeping the world by storm. How many times have you heard from wanna be lefties that we should more like Europe?
The kind of revolution that I would love to bring on in this country is to help minorities self govern. I dislike this collectavist mentality. What worked for whitey will now work for minorities, who are becoming a majority. Too many times have I seen young minds walk through the halls of Academia with Marxist ideals swirling in thier heads. Some just wait to let capitalism runs its course, others are out protesting and trying to live life on the macro level. I do not support centralized state authority, niether should anyone who wishes to call himself a free thinker.

[EL CHICO ROJO]

E.U is not socialism, its capitialism wit da happi face
i dun sopport cenralised government; IM AN ANARCHIST
real socialism is collectivism
equality cannot exist without collectivism.. when werkers run companies
and communism cant be dead it was never alive in the first place
i knoikno i cant spell so dont tell me

[NYC4Ever]

communism cant be dead it was never alive in the first place

lol, I like that.


E.U is not socialism, its capitialism wit da happi face

The E.U. relishes in itself. Delegates pride themselves in their so called fusion of capitalism and socialism. I do not know what they are calling it these days, but I take their word for it when they say they&#39;ve "refined" socialism.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I&#39;ll be more impressed when they are out of economic and social turmoil.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 25 2004, 06:25 AM
Sig Heil, anyone?
Perhaps you misunderstood me. I said that Stalin banned anti-Semitism, not that he persecuted Jews.

Or perhaps you&#39;re saying that it&#39;s oppressive to ban anti-Semites, banning Nazism is Nazism and all that, in which case I would disagree. As RAF so eloquently put it, "the ultimate equalizer for the ubermensch - two shots to the back of the head."

[synthesis]

The E.U. relishes in itself. Delegates pride themselves in their so called fusion of capitalism and socialism. I do not know what they are calling it these days, but I take their word for it when they say they&#39;ve "refined" socialism.

People tend to call that a "mixed economy."

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:00 PM
Perhaps you misunderstood me. I said that Stalin banned anti-Semitism, not that he persecuted Jews.

Or perhaps you&#39;re saying that it&#39;s oppressive to ban anti-Semites, banning Nazism is Nazism and all that, in which case I would disagree. As RAF so eloquently put it, "the ultimate equalizer for the ubermensch - two shots to the back of the head."
No, I understood, and if that was Stalin&#39;s position, good stuff. I though that you were stating that socialist regimes in a broad sense tended to minimized ethnic problems, when in fact the Nazi&#39;s were obviously the antithesis of that idea.

[Louis Pio]

The neo-socialist ideals of the E.U.


How do you expect people to discuss with your when you don&#39;t even know the terms.
EU is hardly neo-socialist, it embraces market economy and most state subsidies are for protecting the industry. Just as the USA trie to protect theirs.
Hardly socialism, please discuss in the real world and not in a fantasy world were EU is socialist.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 25 2004, 01:14 PM
No, I understood, and if that was Stalin&#39;s position, good stuff. I though that you were stating that socialist regimes in a broad sense tended to minimized ethnic problems, when in fact the Nazi&#39;s were obviously the antithesis of that idea.
Okay, I&#39;ll play by your rules. "Left-socialist" regimes have generally minimized ethnic conflicts, the evidence is clear. "Right-socialist regimes", like Hussein, Hitler, and Mugabe, have exacerbated them, obviously, but I doubt you&#39;ll find anyone here who agrees with either their words or their deeds. They were not Marxist, not Leninist, not Stalinist, not Maoist, and by my own definition of socialism - a worker-controlled state of economic democracy - not that either.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 09:12 PM
Okay, I&#39;ll play by your rules. "Left-socialist" regimes have generally minimized ethnic conflicts, the evidence is clear. "Right-socialist regimes", like Hussein, Hitler, and Mugabe, have exacerbated them, obviously, but I doubt you&#39;ll find anyone here who agrees with either their words or their deeds. They were not Marxist, not Leninist, not Stalinist, not Maoist, and by my own definition of socialism - a worker-controlled state of economic democracy - not that either.
Thanks for the clarification.

[EL CHICO ROJO]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 25 2004, 03:14 PM

when in fact the Nazi&#39;s were obviously the antithesis of that idea.

um what do you think that sign "*no nazi trash" means :huh: