Death?

[ric]

I have a positive view about where we go next or not

do we just end?

do we go on to the next step (reincarnation and the afterlife)? (my view positive)

should we live life to the full or just die because it happens sometime?

enlighten me on your opinion

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

We just die. Live life to the full, atke drugs, experiment, think, read and so on.

[Daymare17]

Literally nothing.

[elijahcraig]

After we die we turn into loud silver slacks and hang from the lips of smiling waitresses in asian restaraunts.

[Daymare17]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 06:16 PM
atke drugs
No reason to take drugs though, it fucks you up so you will be less use in the revolution.

[elijahcraig]

I missed the part where Geist said anything about committing your life to revolution.

[Roses in the Hospital]

I'd like to think there's 'something else,' but I think that's just me being arragant enough to think I'm important enough to warrant 'something else.' Obviously there's only one way to find out for sure, but it's a hell of a gamble...

[Funky Monk]

"its like going on holiday with a group of Germans"

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 07:55 PM
No reason to take drugs though, it fucks you up so you will be less use in the revolution.

Well I'm pretty much resigned to accepting that revolutionary politics in a Euopean climate especially well to do middle class Ireland will not change much.

A lot of people in the left take drug for whatever reason. I take them because they give me some interesting thoughts.

[Kobbot 401]

This is just something I thought about and am not really sure of how other see it.

Life is, the way to preached about, "hell". When we die, we go to "heven". If we cause our own death, ie. suiside or drugs, we do not go to "heven" but become stuck in "purgetory" neiter finding joy or sadness.

[elijahcraig]

Kobbot, do you have any reason to believe this?

[Kobbot 401]

No not really but, meny religions believe that what you do wail you are alive causes you to either go to hell or heven. My veiw is that it dosent matter what god you believe in, or how you live, just that you lived and have gone though the challenges in life.

I was raised Morman and taught that other religions were untrue and that only mine was going to go to heven if we were good people. It dosent make sence why god would make all these people with all these belifes is he only wanted the small part that was my church to return to him.

[Commie-K]

Kobbot makes a good point: Why would God make all these false religions if only one is correct? To test us? It does seem pretty cruel. All religious followers are under the impression that theres is right, are they not? For all the religions believing in some sort of higher being, would it not make it easier if your god(s) just made ONE "right" religion, that way we don't have to take our whole life to find the one we think is right, and then end up picking the wrong one and not going to "heaven" or "reincarnate" etc. It does not make sense to me, why a god so great, would let most of the world (non-followers) not pick the "correct" religion.

I've been raised in a Christian household. I was forced into believing in it at young ages, but I eventually pulled away from it. Religion seems to have no real validity other than people wanting explanations.

So, what do I think happens after death? I think it ends. No heaven, no hell, no being reincarnated as a beetle, no nothing. It just ends. That may not make sense, but does dying, and then being alive in heaven make anymore sense? Why die, when you'll just be living again spiritually? The mind and body cannot be separated, so you die, and it just ends. But, of course, that's just my belief, and you are entitiled to yours.

[Kobbot 401]

All that religion is, is a way that people will not have to think about where they came from and how they got to were they are. People do not have the mental comprehention to understand how were became what we are. Some one thought of a higher being and the idea caught on and now almost everyone and their dog believes in a god or gods of some kind.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 09:55 PM
No reason to take drugs though, it fucks you up so you will be less use in the revolution.
That's not true. Drugs are an experiment in a different way of thinking. They only fuck you up when you allow them to.

[Daymare17]

You are an atheist right? I can't see why you are against religion but for drugs?

Though I of course defend people's rights to use them, I try to make them not to.

[Louis Pio]

That's not true. Drugs are an experiment in a different way of thinking. They only fuck you up when you allow them to.


The most naive statement I have ever seen. Some drugs just fuck you up, but the hardened drug user choose to see it as his mind has expanded. I take it people on mental asylums is just born with a more expanded mind than the rest of us?...

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What happens when we die? Well our brain stops functioning, the heart stops beating, the electro-chemical signals in your brain stop, and the conciousnsess resulting from those signals ceases to be. Then your body rots, and elijahcraig falls for you =D

[Funky Monk]

The worms!

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

You are an atheist right? I can't see why you are against religion but for drugs?

This wasnt aimed for me but no matter, how did you come to this conclusion, I cant get my head into why you have thought of this...

[Commie-K]

I'm with Geist, I don't see how drugs relate to Athiesm. Why does being Athiest have significance in doing or not doing drugs?

[Daymare17]

I'm pretty sure you have heard the saying: "Religion is the opiate of the masses".

Why did Marx say this? Because religion numbs the senses of the individual and renders her/him impervious to pain. It decreases the desire to fight the power. It creates the illusion of some dreamworld, where you're not alienated, where you're not exploited.

If religion is the opiate of the masses, and thus must be defeated if people are to fight, then what about the real opium! All arguments about the "fun" of taking drugs, and rallies to the defence of the individual's right to destroy her/his mind, body and decency are either 1) pathetic excuses of drug abusers or 2) reptilian words of capitalist liberals.

[Commie-K]

I see your point. Thanks for helping me understand.

[Kobbot 401]

So dose that make religion a drug that helps make us forget about our troubled lives?

[sglb]

Yes, that's pretty much it. Religion is about a feeling of comfort and security.

[Guerrilla22]

After you die, you end up in the ground and your relatives end up with a rather large bill for the funeral arrangements, casket, cemetary plot, grave stone, ect.

[Raisa]

What happens to you when you die...

You make life.

[Kobbot 401]

You die, you get barried, and then you start to rot, and stink. Damn, heven must be full of half rotten stink bags.

[canikickit]

It decreases the desire to fight the power. It creates the illusion of some dreamworld, where you're not alienated, where you're not exploited.

Smoke a joint and then tell me that. What you are saying is not true of cannabis.
Other drugs may create a dream world, but they do not condition you to wait for that life to exist, as many believe religion does. When people are on drugs, they live for the now, not some pie in the sky run by God (and old man with a big white beard).

The emotions you feel when you are drugs are real. The emotions promised by religion when you die are unproven and do not make sense or seem likely.

It's true that overdoing drugs is not a good idea, but you can say the same for steak, fizzy drinks, etc.

The reason people overdo drugs is alienation and, stress from work/exams etc.

I believe that death is what happens when your body stops working. We can see the onset of our body wearing out - our ears don't function as well, we lose our site, it makes sense that materials (stuff we can touch) will degrade over time. Eventually our hearts are not strong enough to pump blood around our bodies. There are also accidental deaths.

Why would our minds start functioning on some level we can't understand? Does the same happen to an ant?

What is reincarnation? The concept is ludicrous. What would it mean if we were born again as a bird? Would you be able to think on the same level as you do now? That's kind of cruel, I think. Poor bird s are unable to express their longing. Then when they die, they obviously don't remember it for the next life. What a waste of time!

What if you were reincarnated as a fly four times in a row? That'd be shit.

[Commie-K]

Very well put, canikickit. Goes along with what I was trying to say, but I guess you articulate better than me.

[Cheech06]

Well, being the religious person that i am. The bible shows you not to be afraid to die, for in dying u gain somethin. The fear of death makes you a great leader. The way i look at it, you have one death...make it useful and honorable! Viva la revulacion!!!

[Commie-K]

I'm not scared of dying, I'm rather curious about it actually.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:24 PM
Well, being the religious person that i am. The bible shows you not to be afraid to die, for in dying u gain somethin. The fear of death makes you a great leader. The way i look at it, you have one death...make it useful and honorable! Viva la revulacion!!!
This reminds of an interview with a nurse from a hospital or nursing home I heard last year.

She said that speaking in board terms, the religious patients she supervised when extremely scared of death (the possibility of going to 'hell' sounds pretty bad eh?), while the atheists (and possibly agnostics) were infact accepting of their approaching death, as they knew there was nothing more to experience (e.g. no bad experiences - 'hell').

Back to the topic.

I believe death is merely the absence of life. But what could that be composed of? I see it as more likely that it is nothing - the absence of my consciousness, thus 'I' no longer exist. But to be honest, I'm not 100% sure what I believe about this (or just about anything really). I think there is a possibility of something beyond materialism (afterall, I'm not materialist), perhaps a hyperspace in which my entity exists during the time between lives of samsara.

Next time I see a zombie I'll ask them.

[7189]

Thinking about death is a waste of time.

A) It's morbid.
B) You'll know all about it when it happens and not before.
C) It's a waste of your life.

[DaCuBaN]

She said that speaking in board terms, the religious patients she supervised when extremely scared of death (the possibility of going to 'hell' sounds pretty bad eh?), while the atheists (and possibly agnostics) were infact accepting of their approaching death, as they knew there was nothing more to experience (e.g. no bad experiences - 'hell')

I don't consider this off-topic at all. In fact, it's a very valid observation on the mindset of (I'm assuming the former) two 'religious groups': Christians and Agnostics. Whilst the former spends their life in servitude to an entity with the promise of an 'afterlife' if they perform adequately (and eternal damnation if they do not), the latter cares not for the question, and so simply lives their life.

When they both approach the final hour it is natural that the christian will begin to fear for their 'soul' - after all, until they reach those pearly gates they won't know how 'bad' they've been... whether they are 'deserving' to go into heaven. The agnostic still cares not for the question.

I do so love being an agnostic :)

[Umoja]

The Baha'i's say it the best. "What happens after you die can not truly be explained."

And I'll bite my tongue at the drug comments, because they are off topic.

[Kobbot 401]

It dosent matter what happens when you die. Its only another stage in the life cycle and you cant stop it.

[IPkurd]

doesnt energy tranfer from one place to another, humans have enrgy so where does our energy go to? it cant just disappear

[quaz]

When they both approach the final hour it is natural that the christian will begin to fear for their 'soul' - after all, until they reach those pearly gates they won't know how 'bad' they've been... whether they are 'deserving' to go into heaven.

All the christians I know have not feared death, because they feel assurance that they have been redeemed, regardless of how they acted. They live to serve God and they look forward to dying and going to him.