Credit for the capitalists?

[Snitza]

Has anyone considered how much little credit is given to the capitalists? It takes alot of hard work to save the money to start up a small business and make it successful. And it's not like Donald Trump just sit on their asses and let their fortunes grow; they have to be active in managing their businesses and capital, which takes skill, knowledge, and finesse. I don't know why we all have these mental images of top-hatted fat men sitting upon bags of money as the workers do everything.

And, wouldn't anyone be able to become a capitalist if so inclined? Bank loans, government grants etc all help the petite bourgeois get into business; my grandfather was a farmer for most of his life, and saved up the money to start a business in retail that he had for a while. What was so wrong about that?

It's hard work being a capitalist, isn't it?

[h&s]

Thats all very good if it works for you, but just look at the way millions of other people have to live to support the capitalist way of life.

[Faceless]

And, wouldn't anyone be able to become a capitalist if so inclined? Bank loans, government grants etc all help the petite bourgeois get into business; my grandfather was a farmer for most of his life, and saved up the money to start a business in retail that he had for a while. What was so wrong about that?

It's hard work being a capitalist, isn't it?

Hmm. Lemme guess. You live in an industrial nation which participates in economic imperialism.

It is the explanation as to the method through which the petty bourgeois can get his foot on the ladder.
But conditions are very different in parts of the world where the real exploitation takes place.

You see, you have been bought off by Imperialist Capitalists, as with a large portion of the working class. They can afford to do this because monopoly capitalism pushes itself onto the global stages and they reap super-profits here. Enough of this is given to the domestic workers to dupe them into thinking all is fair.

Seems they succeeded in getting you.

The means by which this "labour aristocracy" exist though is just as illegitimate as that by which the bourgeois exists. All of these so-called entrepeneurs, as well as the bourgeoisie-proper, support their enterprises from their accumulated labour reaped by the already existing conditions of exploitation in other parts of this world. Living labour was used to supplement their accumulated labour only with an initial investment in the means of production, which are ever more expensive relative to real wages of the actual working class, itself bought with accumulated labour, not the sweat of the entrepeneur.

[Fidelbrand]

they have to be active in managing their businesses and capital, which takes skill, knowledge, and finesse.
how about the workers' eternal lower social status and their sweatearn meagre income? their absence would paralyse the whole production process, but ehy are the ones earning a fraction of what the entrepreneurs are earning.


Bank loans, government grants etc all help the petite bourgeois get into business

continued from the above explanation of the exploitative relationship between the worker and the entreprenuer, these aids can be provided by a government, instead of perpetual unjust exploitations that goes on forever.

[RidiculousRhinoceros]

i've got no problem with the capitalist you describe. infact marx was always astonished by the amazin feats accomplished by capitalism in his time. to say that as a socialist i hate what a good capitalist is would be a mistake. i believe that a capitalists can make it without exploitation and on their great invention.

[worst-opinion-ever]

capitalists are imperialists who will steal your land and kill your children for a new pair of pants if they could

[Misodoctakleidist]

It's really quite irrelevant if those capitalists have "worked hard" because undoubtedly their workers have all worked harder for less, the very nature of capitalism necessitates exploitation other wise it would be impossible to make a profit.

[worst-opinion-ever]

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[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 03:51 PM
It's really quite irrelevant if those capitalists have "worked hard" because undoubtedly their workers have all worked harder for less, the very nature of capitalism necessitates exploitation other wise it would be impossible to make a profit.
Who is a shopkeeper, working for himself, exploiting ? How does he manage to make a profit.

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 28 2004, 05:04 PM
Who is a shopkeeper, working for himself, exploiting ? How does he manage to make a profit.
My god moneybags, after so many postings here you should know the rhetoric by now. The shopkeeper's products are of course made by slavelabour in sweatshops in South-East Asia. So indirectly he is also exploiting.

[Kez]

Yeah when Bill Gates dies and his wife, their daughter will be one of the richest people on earth, yeah, too little credit is given to the capitalists...

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 06:03 PM
Yeah when Bill Gates dies and his wife, their daughter will be one of the richest people on earth, yeah, too little credit is given to the capitalists...
For how long ?

Love the avatar, Hoppe.