Canada should strike!

[Rex_20XD6]

Most people find canada as the pussy country. the and France. but thats not the point. Canada shoud send al lage group of troops to Afganatan and show the stronger country that there not fooling around and know whats going on south of the borader. And also if they where to fight more in the war then they would gain resepet by the United Nations. i know that the have some troops in afganatan but no one really knows it. so come on and fight for afganatan people's right to party!

[canikickit]

You think Canada should help aid the occupation of nations? To get respect?

That's opposed to my ideology, I know that much.

[cormacobear]

Canada has more troops in Afghanistan than any other country. Who cares if anyone knows it we don't do peacekeeping to get headlines.

Besides we could legalize marijuana make nudity manditory and invade Mexico. It would still only appear as a by-line in the states. The american media doesn't want the poeple of the U.S. to know what goes on elsewhere.

So we'll continue to follow along after the U.S. try and rebuild and apologize for western civilization. Just like we've always done. We can't stop them from destroying other peoples countries but we can at least try and minimize the misery by helping pick up the peices.

[Capitalist Imperial]

"Apoplogize for western civilization"? That is laughable. We owe apologies to no one.

History has demonstrated that Eastern civilization is just as violent and oppresive, if not more so, than the West. It is just that the West seems to have better "toys" with which to acheive its ends more effectively and efficiciently.

Few things are worse than liberal apologism gone awry. Move to Tibet, I'm sure they can weave a tent for you.

[NYC4Ever]

Lol, appologize for the errors of others in the past? Typical collectivist thinking. As if the East isn't a part of some of the most uncivilized methods to date! I think that Sudanese Christians are still enslaved by thier Muslim masters. Theocratic law still rules the majority of the middle east, keeping a mass in the dark ages. Move to Tibet and see how free they are there. Same in N. Korea. God, you leftists are really something.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I apologise for any atrocity committed anywhere by any human class society at any time =D

This is a pointless discussion. Whenever you have a state (Which may I remind you is the single most violent organisation in human history) you will have atrocities. East or West it does not matter, states are bad.

[Osman Ghazi]

Theocratic law still rules the majority of the middle east

Theocratic law still rules the United States. Asshole.

[Stapler]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 08:13 PM
I apologise for any atrocity committed anywhere by any human class society at any time =D

This is a pointless discussion. Whenever you have a state (Which may I remind you is the single most violent organisation in human history) you will have atrocities. East or West it does not matter, states are bad.
Wrong.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You believe that the state has legitimacy? then you are the one who is wrong my friend.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 24 2004, 08:52 PM

Theocratic law still rules the United States. Asshole.
No it doesn't, sir. Separation of church and state exists and is enforced daily.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 24 2004, 05:33 PM
No it doesn't, sir. Separation of church and state exists and is enforced daily.
It wasn't too long ago that Bush I declared he didn't think athiests deserved to be citizens of America.


Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Later, the interviewer asked the chairman of the Bush/Quayle Illinois campaign about a recent lawsuit which aimed to stop a school district from forcing children to recite the pledge of allegiance, primarily because of the "one nation under God" line. Here was Ed Murnane's response:


Sherman: American Atheists filed the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit yesterday. Does the Bush campaign have an official response to this filing?

Murnane: It's bullshit.

Sherman: What is bullshit?

Murnane: Everything that American Atheists does, Rob, is bullshit.

Sherman: Thank you for telling me what the official position of the Bush campaign is on this issue.

Murnane: You're welcome.

And what about Alabama forcing creationism upon its public school students.

The list goes on for far too long.

[Louis Pio]

No it doesn't, sir. Separation of church and state exists and is enforced daily.

The irony of it all is that even though the USA has official seperation of Church and state. It is probably the western nation that uses religion as an excuse or justification for most things. Even bourgios europeans have a hard time stomaching all the religious references because it is quite frankly a medieval way of thinking that is behind them.

[canikickit]

How can you claim that seperation of church and state exists when the president evoked God in every speech I heard him make in advance of the invasion of Iraq?

[Y2A]

Meh, Canada lost alot of good men during WW2. I wouldn't call them pussies. Just inferior to the United States.

[CubanFox]

Inferior? They died just as bravely as Yanks did.

[Y2A]

Can't any of you take a freakin joke for what it is! A joke. Always have to analyze things so damn much.

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 24 2004, 07:45 PM
"Apoplogize for western civilization"? That is laughable. We owe apologies to no one.

History has demonstrated that Eastern civilization is just as violent and oppresive, if not more so, than the West. It is just that the West seems to have better "toys" with which to acheive its ends more effectively and efficiciently.

Few things are worse than liberal apologism gone awry. Move to Tibet, I'm sure they can weave a tent for you.
What makes the West superior to the East?


No it doesn't, sir. Separation of church and state exists and is enforced daily.

Wow, now you've obviously been misinformed here :P

If you don't know what I'm talking about, then you obviously are too blind to see.

[Nickademus]

wow..interesting how this thread has developed.

No Canada SHOULD NOT 'proove' ourselves by fighting! that's just silly ... that's Bush mentality... i'm gonna prove i'm stronger by beating the shit out of everyone else. Canada are often considered pussies because we are seen as just being pawns of the USA. But REFUSING to send soldiers into a war we aren't a part of and the US should be a part of either is a more powerful statement to make then simply blindly going to war. I'm very proud that Canada has stayed out of Iraq and i'm very proud of Canada's reputation in peacekeeping. I'm gald we aren't fighting in all the same wars as the US.

And many brave Canadians have fought and died in wars. Canadians are not pussies. And as for being inferior to the US.....um Canadians burnt down the white house.... yeah, we're inferior.

Canada's stand needs to be following what Canadians want, and we don't want to fight and throw away the lives of so many people when it is not our place to be there.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 01:39 AM
It wasn't too long ago that Bush I declared he didn't think athiests deserved to be citizens of America.



Later, the interviewer asked the chairman of the Bush/Quayle Illinois campaign about a recent lawsuit which aimed to stop a school district from forcing children to recite the pledge of allegiance, primarily because of the "one nation under God" line. Here was Ed Murnane's response:



And what about Alabama forcing creationism upon its public school students.

The list goes on for far too long.
These are rhetoric-driven issues and opinions, but they do not even come close to constituting a theocratic state.

As far as Alabama goes, the state supreme court of Alabama actually just ordered that a plaque of the ten commandments be removed from the courthouse. Also, in Georgia, an attempt to change the science curriculum to minimize evolution was also struck down by their state courts.

Rhetoric and opinion is not law, sir. Law is law, and law in the United states clearly maintains separation of church and state, and freedom of belief systems.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 04:23 AM
Inferior? They died just as bravely as Yanks did.
Not necessarily inferior in courage as much as ability.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 05:29 AM
What makes the West superior to the East?



Wow, now you've obviously been misinformed here :P

If you don't know what I'm talking about, then you obviously are too blind to see.

What makes the West superior to the East?

I don't think I used the word superior, sir.


Wow, now you've obviously been misinformed here :P

If you don't know what I'm talking about, then you obviously are too blind to see.

That is absolutely meaningless pap. I need more than generalized rhetoric if you want me to respond in length. I want you to provide specific examples in which "American Theocracy" has compromised individuals' freedom, otherwise, don't bother to post frivoluous commentary.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 06:55 AM
wow..interesting how this thread has developed.

No Canada SHOULD NOT 'proove' ourselves by fighting! that's just silly ... that's Bush mentality... i'm gonna prove i'm stronger by beating the shit out of everyone else. Canada are often considered pussies because we are seen as just being pawns of the USA. But REFUSING to send soldiers into a war we aren't a part of and the US should be a part of either is a more powerful statement to make then simply blindly going to war. I'm very proud that Canada has stayed out of Iraq and i'm very proud of Canada's reputation in peacekeeping. I'm gald we aren't fighting in all the same wars as the US.

And many brave Canadians have fought and died in wars. Canadians are not pussies. And as for being inferior to the US.....um Canadians burnt down the white house.... yeah, we're inferior.

Canada's stand needs to be following what Canadians want, and we don't want to fight and throw away the lives of so many people when it is not our place to be there.

And many brave Canadians have fought and died in wars. Canadians are not pussies. And as for being inferior to the US.....um Canadians burnt down the white house.... yeah, we're inferior.


Still hanging your hats on one incident from almost 200 years ago? By the way, you were still merely brits back then, and you didn't really win that war. I mean, do you really think that you could do something like that today?

[cormacobear]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 25 2004, 01:12 PM
Not necessarily inferior in courage as much as ability.
Canada's troops are better trained than any the United states have.

In an exchange between our two countries militaries, 20 U.S. Navy seals were sent to Canada to take our special forces training, 19 failed. Of the 20 Canadian special forces sent to take Navy Seal training 16 passed.

You should check your statistics before you make a statement like that!

We can afford to train ours better we don't have a military if 100's of thousands spread out in hundreds of foriegn countries.
You hav a better equipped military than ours but we decided to buy homes and textbooks for our citizens rather than useless Nuclear Weapons.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 07:07 PM
Canada's troops are better trained than any the United states have.

In an exchange between our two countries militaries, 20 U.S. Navy seals were sent to Canada to take our special forces training, 19 failed. Of the 20 Canadian special forces sent to take Navy Seal training 16 passed.

You should check your statistics before you make a statement like that!

We can afford to train ours better we don't have a military if 100's of thousands spread out in hundreds of foriegn countries.
You hav a better equipped military than ours but we decided to buy homes and textbooks for our citizens rather than useless Nuclear Weapons.

Canada's troops are better trained than any the United states have

LOL, LOL, ROFL, LMAO

Dude, get serious. I want to see the link or tell me where I can find this story about how US Navy seals couldn't hold up to Canada's special forces.

Show me.

[NYC4Ever]

Canada's troops are better trained than any the United states have

You guys really, really, and I mean really hate the U.S.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 25 2004, 12:33 AM
No it doesn't, sir. Separation of church and state exists and is enforced daily.
You know better than to say something like this.

You do want to maintain your image of "supreme intellect" don't you?

Come on son, are you trolling today? You must be to say something this stupid.



EDIT:


In addition, I am getting very tired of the ultra-nationalism that exists among the Canadians on this board, it's utterly ridiculous.

You cats need to rethink your ideology.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 25 2004, 07:42 PM
You know better than to say something like this.

You do want to maintain your image of "supreme intellect" don't you?

Come on son, are you trolling today? You must be to say something this stupid.



EDIT:


In addition, I am getting very tired of the ultra-nationalism that exists among the Canadians on this board, it's utterly ridiculous.

You cats need to rethink your ideology.
Come on, RAF, I need more than this rhetoric. I provided examples in earlier posts in this thread, where are yours?

[cormacobear]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 25 2004, 07:42 PM
You cats need to rethink your ideology.
Morality before money. I don't see anything wrong with our ideology.

Prevent terrorist bombings, by not making them want to bomb us.

Don't crush democracies, and set up cruel dictatorships in other peoples countries.

Nope still having trouble seeing the problem with our ideology.

And i doubt you'll find the results of Military exchanges listed on the internet, because our gov't is afraid of embarrasing yours. ( you have a habit of bombing countries that disagree with you.)

But if you evr meeta seal, or any Canadian soldier you can ask them it's a farely well known incident among Canadian Soldiers . But I'll look for it and if I find it i'll post a link.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Come on, RAF, I need more than this rhetoric. I provided examples in earlier posts in this thread, where are yours?

You must be joking.



Morality before money. I don't see anything wrong with our ideology.

Prevent terrorist bombings, by not making them want to bomb us.

Don't crush democracies, and set up cruel dictatorships in other peoples countries.

Nope still having trouble seeing the problem with our ideology.

And i doubt you'll find the results of Military exchanges listed on the internet, because our gov't is afraid of embarrasing yours. ( you have a habit of bombing countries that disagree with you.)

But if you evr meeta seal, or any Canadian soldier you can ask them it's a farely well known incident among Canadian Soldiers . But I'll look for it and if I find it i'll post a link.



You missed my point but thank you for proving it.

I'm too busy to add anything else as a few of my Canadian mates and I are in the process of painting maple leafs on our bodies so we can go march up and down the square.

All hail Canada!

[Capitalist Imperial]

You must be
joking.


no, actually, waiting for examples of a theocratic state in America
Not debate, not commentary, nortt opinion, but examples of forced religion as you are so pompously suggesting exists

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 07:59 PM

And i doubt you'll find the results of Military exchanges listed on the internet, because our gov't is afraid of embarrasing yours. ( you have a habit of bombing countries that disagree with you.)

But if you evr meeta seal, or any Canadian soldier you can ask them it's a farely well known incident among Canadian Soldiers . But I'll look for it and if I find it i'll post a link.
In other worrds, you can't prove it, and it is likely made up, or a half-truth.

[synthesis]

As far as Alabama goes, the state supreme court of Alabama actually just ordered that a plaque of the ten commandments be removed from the courthouse. Also, in Georgia, an attempt to change the science curriculum to minimize evolution was also struck down by their state courts.

That's good to hear, at least.

[Vinny Rafarino]

And i doubt you'll find the results of Military exchanges listed on the internet, because our gov't is afraid of embarrasing yours. ( you have a habit of bombing countries that disagree with you.)



How exactly did you find out about it anyhow?

I certainly hope you are not going to say that you have met a Navy Seal or Canadian Special Forces Member that decided to take the time to tell some kid about the classified training regiment of the Special Forces.

Let me guess, you met him in a bar. :lol:

In that case please be aware that I meet several "Green Berets", SAS agents and Seals every time I go out drinking at a pub.

[Loknar]

Canada wont have a military in 10 years if they dont stop cutting it down. They know America, who many of them hate, will shed their own blood in her defense

[Loknar]

Morality before money. I don't see anything wrong with our ideology.
If this is indeed in practice in Canada just remember why you can do it. You have so much whealth and no need for defense because of Uncle Sam.


Prevent terrorist bombings, by not making them want to bomb us.


lol. then why are you in Afghanistan? I am sure they hate you now.


Don't crush democracies, and set up cruel dictatorships in other peoples countries.


No, you just support brutal civil wars.....



But it is the height of hypocrisy for Canada to be demanding sanctions in the context of the conflict in Angola, while its own Talisman Energy directly, unambiguously, and massively sustains the world's greatest civil conflict — indeed, one of the greatest civilian-killing conflict since the Second World War. Before seeking to punish Bulgaria, Canada should ask what conceivable principle distinguishes the situation in Sudan from that in Angola, at least on the score of sanctions.

http://www.refugees.org/news/op_eds/032300.htm






http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2001/05/30/amnesty010520

In the section on Canada, Amnesty's annual report outlines incidents in Saskatoon in which police officers allegedly drove native people out of town and then abandoned them in the bitter cold.




http://www.thunderbay.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/5174.php
The breaking story today (March 27, 2003) is that a few Canadian troops are fighting on the ground in Iraq. This, however, is only the tip of the iceberg. The truth is that Canada stands as the third strongest contributor
to US forces in the Iraq war, after Britain and Australia.

Isn’t it amazing how Canada can contribute so much to this war without even being involved?




Your country is far from being moral.....

[CubanFox]

Americans are in no position to criticise the morality of other countries.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 04:18 AM
Americans are in no position to criticise the morality of other countries.
Yeah , but I didnt make the claim that America is Moral did I?


cormacobear made such a claim about canada.

[EL CHICO ROJO]

be honest with yourselves, yes the US is most powerful,because of technology
but take a look at who the majority of the us military complex actually are
they are poor people who went in for an education
because those sickening army of 1 commercials trap them ith promises theyll b well taken care of
and instead they die
i dont kno if this is true in canada
but in the end what wins wars (unfortunatly in this case) is the guns planes and bombs; not the ppl behind them

[Loknar]

Originally posted by EL CHICO [email protected] 26 2004, 05:12 AM
be honest with yourselves, yes the US is most powerful,because of technology
but take a look at who the majority of the us military complex actually are
they are poor people who went in for an education
because those sickening army of 1 commercials trap them ith promises theyll b well taken care of
and instead they die
i dont kno if this is true in canada
but in the end what wins wars (unfortunatly in this case) is the guns planes and bombs; not the ppl behind them
Ok


this is pretty common sense stuff...

What is an army for and what does it do? They may show the benefits, but it's up to the person to know the purpose(s) of an army. When you are deployed overseas, I don’t think “well when I joined I didn’t know I would have to actually fire a gun” is going to get you out of the action because it is utter non-sense. I have sat through the seminars that the army puts on, and I can tell you they say nothing about combat. My guess is they don’t want to scare anyone, but it doesn’t matter to me. If you join the army you may need to fight, and you may die, that is the risk the person takes.


If Canada had a need for recruits, you can bet they would do the exact same thing.

[Stapler]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 03:51 AM
Canada wont have a military in 10 years if they dont stop cutting it down. They know America, who many of them hate, will shed their own blood in her defense
Defense from what? Every body loves Canadians! even the French.

[Osman Ghazi]

Canada wont have a military in 10 years if they dont stop cutting it down. They know America, who many of them hate, will shed their own blood in her defense


Actually all four major parties have promised to improve our military as most of the equipment was purchased in the 70's or even earlier. However, since we are talking about capitalist politicians, they won't actually improve the military, they'll just say they will.

[Rex_20XD6]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 06:22 AM
Canada has more troops in Afghanistan than any other country. Who cares if anyone knows it we don't do peacekeeping to get headlines.
Canada should get more respect for the U.S.A.