Who hates "The Darkness"

[Floyd.]

The Darkness say the easiest way to understand them is to pretend Nirvana never happened (I shudder to think,) well if that were the case and Nirvana came along now The Darkness would be incinerated, can't they plase just fuck off?

[The Children of the Revolution]

Yeah, I love 'The Darkness'! And - Oh, wait... You DON'T like them?!? :blink:

How can one dislike 'The Darkness'? They are super. They have talent; musically (death defying vocals and lightning guitar solos... :) ) and in terms of their songwriting ability. What's more, they are "artists" - bringing creativity back into music rather than a mindless desire to make money!!

'Nirvana'... Yeah, everyone likes 'Nirvana' - but let's face it, Kurt Cobain was no maestro. All his songs are based on a few "fifth" chords and the lyrics are basic. Admittedly, he DOES put everything into every song; he sings with emotion rare in the modern "industry".

But 'The Darkness' far outrank 'Nirvana', even on the basis of only one album. :P

[DaCuBaN]

*slaps CotR*

Becoming quite a habit :D

Seriously, the darkness blow goats. Cheap rip off of Slade mixed with Queen.
As for talent? They're a bunch of session musicians! of course they've got at least mediocre talent.

To be honest though, you'll find better talent at your local open mic night.

Remember that the odds of you hearing a good song on the radio or MTV and the like are slim to none - so simply ignore them! get into music downloading, download as much as you can and see what you really like.

Then go out and support your artists.

[Floyd.]

I agree with the session muso's crack. I bought their album when it was released by the way, I liked it at first because it's dumb jump around balls out immature rock and roll, then I realised no it's a bunch of un-original guys making paper thin music for drunks at pubs. Permission to land sucks to put it lightly and sure as hell won't last the test of time. Shitty stupid bands like Guns n Roses, Van Halen, and most of the Led Zeppelin kick the shit out of the Darkness and Nirvana kick the shit out of them. Wake up to integrity and talent, The Darkness are nothing more than guitar wankers. There is a difference between having a great vocal range and expert technical guitar playing skills and actually turning it into good music. if you have Permission to land listen to it 20 times, if you still like it, then Korns last album is probably your idea of genius. Fuck the Darkness suck. As dave letterman said "how about those Darkness guys? Just like in the old days hey?" Yeah when music sucked... oh damn I must be in a time machine.

[The Children of the Revolution]

*slaps CotR*

Becoming quite a habit... :D


Yes... Yes it is... I'm developing quite a taste for it... :lol:



To be honest though, you'll find better talent at your local open mic night.


I disagree! 'The Darkness' write wonderful stuff - I think most people just despise their image and base judgements of the music on that. The lyrics, the vocals, the rhythm... And the way they all slot into place; the music is arranged superbly. If you don't think so - don't listen to them! I can't stand 'R & B', any of it. So I don't listen to it! It really is that easy! :)



Remember that the odds of you hearing a good song on the radio or MTV and the like are slim to none - so simply ignore them! get into music downloading, download as much as you can and see what you really like.


This is a sore point, for me. I wish you hadn't raised it. :angry:

The University have a wonderful network... I get download speeds of nearly 1Mb / Sec... BUT! There is a nasty and very efficient Firewall in operation too. 'File Sharing' is banned, so I cannot download music... :( Next year, all the music in the world will be mine!

Until then, I'll just keep buying CDs. I've got to spend my vast reserves of cash somehow! :P



Permission to land sucks to put it lightly and sure as hell won't last the test of time.


I beg to differ! I think it WILL last the "test of time" - which is what makes it so great; why it stands out! The Children of the 90's and 00's have nothing else! 'The Darkness' are truly the Saviours of Rock and Roll! :P

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by The Children of the [email protected] 19 2004, 05:43 PM
The Children of the 90's and 00's have nothing else! 'The Darkness' are truly the Saviours of Rock and Roll! :P
hahahahaha oh thank you so much i neede a laugh. I said I bought their album remember, not downloaded, bought listened to, liked, grew up, rejected. Sorry I swore in my last post I'm tired i'll go to bed soon it's past 4 am. I just hate The Darkness, I don't have to like them, you don't have to hate them it's difference that makes us great and argument that makes us petty. I made this as a poll to see what opinion is, not as an argument. reason your beliefs on this one to yourself I won't be swayed, I'm too much of a musical purist/elitist/snob but I don't make too many general rules because I'll always disprove them somehow. Good night my friends, you all are. I'll fall asleep to Devendra Banhart or the Vaselines tonight I think.

[Comrade BNS]

Admitedly i haven't heard much of their stuff, but they seem ok.

I have to agree that it is fairly immature music etc..
but if you take it as such then it's just gold ol' rock n roll

and yes i agree also they do rip off Zepplin a fair bit, but the Led aren't together ne more so i guess the darkness will have to do to hear some music in that vein.

Comrade BNS

[truthaddict11]

nothing but a pop metal crapfest

[The Children of the Revolution]

... and yes i agree also they do rip off Zepplin a fair bit ...


They don't really sound anything like 'Led Zeppelin'. Sure, both bands use a guitar... And they both have a vocalist... :blink: Oh, and they're both great... But they're really not at all similar!! They are a bit like 'Queen' though, yes.

[Comrade BNS]

They don't really sound anything like 'Led Zeppelin'. Sure, both bands use a guitar... And they both have a vocalist... Oh, and they're both great... But they're really not at all similar!!

sorry i didn't realise that i was stepping on the toes of a musical expert afficianado...

Let me tell you sir, from doing aural and stylistic analyses for nigh on 8 years now, as well as playing and analysing to death some of zepplin's pieces as well as page's guitar style, that from hearing 1 song by the darkness, just 1 song, they are indeed extremely similar. That as only on face value though, i'm sure if we dug a little deeper we would find the absolute extent of their similarities. I don't think i need to go into the use of alternating 5/9 chords here sir.

Next time you want to go "expert" on something, make sure you actually know what you are talking about! just a thought...

oh and please don't piss me off in the field of music, i'm a very amiable person usually, but i don't appreciate arrogant overtones,especially from people who clearly have no clue

Comrade BNS

[Scottish_Militant]

I love them

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by The Children of the [email protected] 19 2004, 04:57 PM
What's more, they are "artists" - bringing creativity back into music rather than a mindless desire to make money!!
Creativity?? Ripping off Thin Lizzy is what's called "creativity"?? Fuck it, being creative is being honest, it's being original. Oh wait, that's punk rock. Awesome.

Moreover, surely The Darkness' stated aim is world domination and wealth. Which is hardly making music for the sake of music. Fucking dicks.

They used to be an indie band y'know. Until some record label exec told them they could get rich making "ironic" music for people too shallow to listen to emotional and sincere music. Fuck The Darkness. I hope they fucking die. And I hope they take with them the NME and all the fucking broadsheets who only give them rave reviews cos probably owned by the same conglomerate.

I love Justin Hawkins on the new Bo Selecta. That had me in hysterics.

[The Children of the Revolution]

sorry i didn't realise that i was stepping on the toes of a musical expert afficianado...

Let me tell you sir, from doing aural and stylistic analyses for nigh on 8 years now, as well as playing and analysing to death some of zepplin's pieces as well as page's guitar style, that from hearing 1 song by the darkness, just 1 song, they are indeed extremely similar. That as only on face value though, i'm sure if we dug a little deeper we would find the absolute extent of their similarities. I don't think i need to go into the use of alternating 5/9 chords here sir.

Next time you want to go "expert" on something, make sure you actually know what you are talking about! just a thought...


Hmmm. Ok, Mr. Expert - dig deeper! Go! :lol:

I don't consider myself a musical expert. I consider myself a fan of both 'Led Zeppelin' and 'The Darkness' however; and just from listening to the two bands, I find their styles really quite different! 'The Darkness' use a lot of bass "power chords" puntuated by lightning rolling riffs up and down the neck of the guitar; almost all their songs are "quick"...

'Led Zeppelin' have written far too much to be able to compare this to; however, I think they make very little use of the "power chord". They use accoustic sounds more often than not. A lot of songs are "slow". And barring a few, the solos of Jimmy Page are less rapid - they are better; he makes the guitar "sing" - but the majority aren't as fast as, say, Hawkins in "I believe..."

Well, I thought so anyway.



Moreover, surely The Darkness' stated aim is world domination and wealth. Which is hardly making music for the sake of music. Fucking dicks.


We'll see, with the imminent release of their latest album! If it's tripe - ok, I'll concede that they are money hungry assholes. If it's a good'un, if the music is as impressive as the last one, I will maintain that they rule! (Let's face it, they could put a turd in a box and people would buy it - I'm hoping they DON'T!)

[GrYnEt]

i hate the darkness...........

[Stapler]

I beleive in a thing called LOOVE!!!!

[Invader Zim]

The fact that they are just ripping the image and style of Queen, with a touch of classic rock like deep purple, is not to be supported.

The darkness are nothing special, a commercial tool to exloit the growing popularity in rock music.

IMO rock music has been sitting happily in its own corner of the music world, it does not need invasion from the record industry.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 08:47 PM
The darkness are nothing special, a commercial tool to exloit the growing popularity in rock music.
Indeed.

Bands like The Darkness merely serve to prove that there's zero difference between "pop" and "rock", aside from *shock* one type uses guitars.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 10:01 PM
Indeed.

Bands like The Darkness merely serve to prove that there's zero difference between "pop" and "rock", aside from *shock* one type uses guitars.
There is a differance between rock and pop, real rock music, at least the stuff I listen to is not particularly popular, its generaly small cult following.

[guerrillaradio]

Yeah but pop means popular. Hence The Fartness or Blink 182 or whatever are pop music. That said, it stands to reason that there are groups with a similar/identical sound to those currently trumpeted in the charts that are not on MTV, Smash Hits etc. What does that make them?? They're still making the "pop" style, just failing at being popular.

[Comrade BNS]

Originally posted by The Children of the [email protected] 20 2004, 05:54 PM

Hmmm. Ok, Mr. Expert - dig deeper! Go! :lol:

I don't consider myself a musical expert. I consider myself a fan of both 'Led Zeppelin' and 'The Darkness' however; and just from listening to the two bands, I find their styles really quite different! 'The Darkness' use a lot of bass "power chords" puntuated by lightning rolling riffs up and down the neck of the guitar; almost all their songs are "quick"...

'Led Zeppelin' have written far too much to be able to compare this to; however, I think they make very little use of the "power chord". They use accoustic sounds more often than not. A lot of songs are "slow". And barring a few, the solos of Jimmy Page are less rapid - they are better; he makes the guitar "sing" - but the majority aren't as fast as, say, Hawkins in "I believe..."

Well, I thought so anyway.



We'll see, with the imminent release of their latest album! If it's tripe - ok, I'll concede that they are money hungry assholes. If it's a good'un, if the music is as impressive as the last one, I will maintain that they rule! (Let's face it, they could put a turd in a box and people would buy it - I'm hoping they DON'T!)
:lol:

I certainly hope that you don't consider yourself an expert, at least not in pulbic, with bullshit like that!

Dig Deeper? ok then if i must.

Jimmy page's preferred modulating cadence is a V(6/4) to a VI(5)...funnily enough i'm hearing that cadence alot in the darkness' music aswell.

Jimmy pages prefered scale to impro on is the either the Pentatonic minor of the Subdominant or the Submediant of the key. Again reflected in the darkness' music.

"Bass power chords" hey....... :lol:

"puntuated by lightning rolling riffs up and down the neck of the guitar" yes i'm sure you'll find that most guitarists generally do play "up and down the neck"......hmmm except for Tinariwen who find really wicked and beautiful ways to play the guitar, and who have also by the way worked with Page and Plant. but that's something completely different.

Besides that there is the whole image. Check out the leader singer from the Darkness in the video for their new single (something about love, can't remember) compared to Plant around the Knebworth era, or even when they played Madison Square Garden.

Comrade BNS

[Scottish_Militant]

Some of you get way to worked up over music, you just have to accept that everyone has different tastes and no ammount of whining and *****ing is gonna make an ounce of difference to that. The fact that the Darkness are producing their own material, writting songs and playing instruments should at least be enough to earn them some level of respect, but it's clear some here are suffering from a touch of the green eyed monster

:lol:

[The Children of the Revolution]

Comrade BNS, that's the best you can do? :P

I know I'm not an expert. But just listen to L.Z. 1 - as I'm sure you have - and compare the two. Call and return blues... Glam rock... Led Zeppelin did so much, it'd be hard NOT to copy an element of their style! I still reject the connection.

[hawarameen]

actually they are quite good. and not everybody likes nirvana (e.g. me) darkness are way better than nirvana, they would never have been as popular as they are if Kurt hadnt died.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 10:00 PM
it's clear some here are suffering from a touch of the green eyed monster

:lol:
Oh yeah.

And you're just jealous of the high flying CEOs of Fortune 500 (or whatever it's called) corporations cos they're rich and you aren't. Fucking pinko.

[Scottish_Militant]

And you're just jealous of the high flying CEOs of Fortune 500 (or whatever it's called) corporations cos they're rich and you aren't. Fucking pinko.

Who's talking about money like? Did I touch a nerve there btw, you might want to put the toys back in your pram

:lol:

[Comrade Latino]

The Darkness is one of the best bands of our time.

[DaCuBaN]

it's clear some here are suffering from a touch of the green eyed monster

I fail to see how... Noone here wishes to be in their position, so how could it be envy?

BNS is quite right about the guitar style, and spot on with the bass power chords (oh my! so original!) but we can't get caught up on technique - if we did there would only be perhaps a few scores of truly original musicians in the history of Rock. One thing that people have overlooked of course is their origins

These guys have spent the last ten years as session musicians. They are, through practice, well rounded musicians but are nothing original. I'm told that some of the more 'indie' stuff they did in the past is worth a goosey, but I was not impressed with their current album at all.

Simply put, it's a bunch of guys who've gone past their prime, and are essentially 'selling out' to the media in return for capital benefits. Am I the only one here who smells a good marketing ploy?

Frankly, for this reason alone we should be discouraging the purchase of their music.

[Rex_20XD6]

Anyone have any links so i can hear them?

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 06:32 PM

Who's talking about money like? Did I touch a nerve there btw, you might want to put the toys back in your pram

:lol:
Yes you fucking touched a nerve with your complete and utter patronising of anyone who failed to descend to your level of banality.

What a fucking stupid thing to say. Honestly. I have moral objections to The Darkness. I have moral objections to corrupt dictators. Does that make me "jealous" of the Third World dictators cos they're rich and powerful and I'm not?? Of course, it's perfectly beyond the realms of possibility that an anti-capitalist might search for meaning beyond money. I'm wholly incapable of actually objecting to them as a band without just being jealous. What a condescending, fucking insulting thing to say.

You sound like you should hang out in the mall or something.

Dude this board is an interesting mix of the insanely intelligent and the seriously braindead.

[nezvanova]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 04:51 AM
actually they are quite good. and not everybody likes nirvana (e.g. me) darkness are way better than nirvana, they would never have been as popular as they are if Kurt hadnt died.
umm nirvana were huge before kurt died. to claim that the band's success came about due to the death of their frontman is the undermine the band. nirvana were the biggest band in north america, if not the world, at the time of kurt's death. the reason they've made such an impact, and are still getting so much air time, is the fact that they changed music. they changed the way the masses listened. they ended to era of bullshit hair metal, and opened up the mainstream music scene to so much more! now, communst_revolutionary put it very well in saying "everyone has different tastes and no ammount of whining and *****ing is gonna make an ounce of difference to that" so i know my whining accomplished nothing, but i had to say it.

now i don't hate the darkness, but i don't go out of my way to lsiten to them. whoever it was who said that the darkness are better than nirvana got a huge laugh outta me. it was pretty damned funny. I love it when people end up being ironic when they dont' mean to be. okay, the guitar playing in the darkness, are okay, nothing we havne't heard before. kurt may not have been the greatest guitar player, but he was origional in terms of doing things we hadn't heard before. darkness lyrics, laughable in their childeshness (this on always makes me cringe: "my heart's in over-drive and you're behind the steering wheel" :huh: :P ) i'm sure i read someone here say that nirvana's lyrics were simple? well, i challange you to write something better. to anyone who doesn't write, its easy to criticise lyrics. I used to a lot, until i actually started to sit down and try and write some. it is tough, for me at least. but even at that, i can write better than the darkness. :P and at last, i come to vocals. the vocals in teh darkness have the novelty of being new and funny, but its wearing off. the guy's singing is weak. he can barely hit those high notes. he must have his balls in a vice, and even then he struggles! I think i can sefely say that by next fall, we'll probably have forgotten about the darkness, and if not, good for them! I don't really care one way or another.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

At first I was quite a bit fascinated by the Darkness, but lately I've began to dislike their sound.

And bro, I have no idea how you can compare Zeppelin to the Darkness. One is blues-rock, the other is glam rock, and there are huge differences. If you're gonna compare the two, you might as well say that all guitar-oriented music is similar.

The Darkness sound more like Whitesnake or Thin Lizzy or Kiss... possibly even Iggy Pop. But not Zeppelin.

The guitarist does have quite a bit of talent, that can't be ignored. But they desperately need to work on their music. First things first, not even retro-type of fad is good. Just because it's old, doesn't mean it's good.

Frankly, they remind me of Spinal Tap.

I didn't vote, because I don1t really hate them, but I also don't like them very much.

Child, how the fuck can you possibly say you like The Darkness while still going on about that anti-pop crusade crap? How exactly is the Darkness not pop?

Oh, and what's-his-face is an infinitely better guitarist than Kurt Cobain. Both are pretty mediocre songwritters, though.

[ric]

Originally posted by The Children of the [email protected] 19 2004, 04:57 PM
Yeah, I love 'The Darkness'! And - Oh, wait... You DON'T like them?!? :blink:

How can one dislike 'The Darkness'? They are super. They have talent; musically (death defying vocals and lightning guitar solos... :) ) and in terms of their songwriting ability. What's more, they are "artists" - bringing creativity back into music rather than a mindless desire to make money!!

'Nirvana'... Yeah, everyone likes 'Nirvana' - but let's face it, Kurt Cobain was no maestro. All his songs are based on a few "fifth" chords and the lyrics are basic. Admittedly, he DOES put everything into every song; he sings with emotion rare in the modern "industry".

But 'The Darkness' far outrank 'Nirvana', even on the basis of only one album. :P
the darkness are the cheapest version of marc bolan and t-rex and bye your name i guess your a fan, children of the revolution being one of there songs (although not being revolutionary at all), ruin the whole ethos of trex
they are awful

[DaCuBaN]

Frankly, they remind me of Spinal Tap

Nail - Head - Bang :D

[Ziggy]

spinal tap, now that was a band just as good as the rutles i must say
(actually very good movies)
i really like the darkness, i dont try to see them as anything special- just some guys from across the pond, do that whole 70's glam thing, have talent, and are just fun and put on a good concert

[Palmares]

I've never heard of the Shitness.

[CubanFox]

I hate The Darkness, almost as much as I hate Nirvana.

I'd start a "Who hates Nirvana?" poll, but I'd probably be hung by my feet and be pelted with vegetables. :P

[hawarameen]

nirvana didn't change music to say so is absurd! Elvis changed music, the Beatles changed music. nirvana were very big amongst a particular class of person they did not appeal to all generations so to claim they changed music is abit odd.
Elvis and the Beatles crossed genres, they appealed to many people and music as a WHOLE changed when they came about, maybe they changed air metal i would agree but anything beyond that is pushing it.
there are endless amounts of Kurt t-shirts, pictures etc around and people have come to idolise him much in the same way as they have idolised john Lennon. i do not believe that either john or Kurt would be the cult hero's they are if they hadn't died.

[nezvanova]

listen, its obvious that you don't like them, but it doesn't mean they didn't have an impact. If they had no impact, then why are we argueing over it? they must've had something if we're still ranting about them! there are countless musicians i hate, but i still admit they had an impact. given a choice, i wouldn't listen to elvis, but he did make a difference, I know that.

[guerrillaradio]

Nirvana said it's OK to be a cliched self-centred self-pitying moron. They can fuck right off.

[nezvanova]

christ, i&#39;m so sick of this. What kind of an example are we trying to set as leftists, or communists, or marxists or whatever we may be, if we can&#39;t even be open minded about something as unimportant as this. When it comes down to it, we&#39;re not any more egalitarian or open minded at the cappies. we&#39;re just the same opinionated assholes. Why can&#39;t we have a dissagreement without resorting to petty name calling, and mudslinging? WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS&#33; That doesn&#39;t not mean your&#39;s is any more right than the next persons, and it certainly does not give you the right to shit all over it&#33; Why can&#39;t we excercise some self control and for one second respect others&#33; Not just in music--though i doubt that will ever happen <_< -- but in general. How much of a difference are you going ot make on someone when you insult them. If a cappie comes up to you calling you a dirty pinko, or a damned commie, you wouldn&#39;t react to well to that, now would you? then why would you treat anyone else like that&#33; Why are we acting like a bunch of inane stupid kids, argueing over what music we like? If you like it, good, if you don&#39;t like it, then CAN IT&#33; You don&#39;t ahve ot like everything&#33; but if it brings someone else pleasure, if it is important to them, its their choice, let them have it&#33;&#33; its an extremely personal preferance, and its our own choice to make&#33; no one has any place telling anyone otherwise. you wouldn&#39;t want it to happen to you, why, i ask, would you do it to others?&#33;

[DaCuBaN]

its an extremely personal preferance, and its our own choice to make&#33;

Indeed, taste is entirely subjective - What I must point out is this thread was all about what we think of the darkness - and to nirvana, noone actually said they did nothing. I believe one poster said they showed us that it&#39;s OK to be a self-serving self-loathing asshole, whereas another said they just didn&#39;t like them

Where&#39;s the problem?


WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS&#33; That doesn&#39;t not mean your&#39;s is any more right than the next persons, and it certainly does not give you the right to shit all over it&#33;

The &#39;shitting&#39; of which you speak amounts to people giving their opinion. Is it not an opinion that Nirvana perhaps did nothing for music? Are they not just as entitled to believe this?

Anyway, to try and drag this thread away from it&#39;s apocalypse: I say the darkness blow chunks. :D

[Latin American Socialist]

could someone tell me who the fuck is "The Darkness"

[DaCuBaN]

UK Band

Linkage (http://www.thedarknessrock.com/)

[nezvanova]

Nirvana said it&#39;s OK to be a cliched self-centred self-pitying moron. They can fuck right off.

well, tis is just to prove my point. if you don&#39;t like them, then why bother mentioning it? its just so pointless. i give up, fuck it. no one learns. it stays the same.

[DaCuBaN]

Nirvana said it&#39;s OK to be a cliched self-centred self-pitying moron. They can fuck right off.

This is someones opinion.... why is it not as valid as someone who believes that Kurt Cobain was the messiah? It doesn&#39;t go out to attack any single person, but simply states what the poster believes Nirvana did for the world

It&#39;s as valid as any other remark in this thread - in all honest I don&#39;t know why it&#39;s got you worked up...


if you don&#39;t like them, then why bother mentioning it?

If you don&#39;t give your opinion, how is anyone ever to know? They will continue on their day blissful in the knowledge that noone disagrees with them. Personally, I don&#39;t think this is a good thing - having your &#39;beleifs&#39; called into question is a very healthy thing in my opinion.

[Latin American Socialist]

i dont know who the hell they are, so i guess i dont like em

[nezvanova]

it was fine until he said they can "fuck right off" that was pushing it. and what i mean by not mentioning it, was to not be condescending or offensive about it&#33; you could simply say you dissagree, or don&#39;t care for them. but whatever, i don&#39;t care, do what you will.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 07:01 AM
it was fine until he said they can "fuck right off" that was pushing it. and what i mean by not mentioning it, was to not be condescending or offensive about it&#33; you could simply say you dissagree, or don&#39;t care for them. but whatever, i don&#39;t care, do what you will.
I posted my opinion, I was not trying to convert people, there see nothing wrong with having a strong opinion so long as I don&#39;t force it on others and it dosn&#39;t inhinge on others. I made this a poll not just a thread so I could find out the opinions of everyone else, not so I could tell them how right I am. Please don&#39;t take it personally.

[hawarameen]

All i was saying is that Nirvana did not change music the way you say they did.

and when i say music i mean music as a whole. when Elvis came along music changed, it was a total break from the norm. now Elvis inspired people like john Lennon (a big fan of Elvis) who along with the Beatles, changed music again. a new form of music, a new way of listening, a new audience suddenly listened. i would go so far as to say their music changed society in some ways.

now what i am saying is that this is not the case with nirvana, to say they changed music is a gross exaggeration. their influence was confined to their particular genre. there are far far more bands that deserve more respect than nirvana has gained and there are many &#39;fans&#39; of nirvana who never heard of the band before Kurt killed himself, his death threw the band into the media and this i think is why nirvana are so popular now.

sure nirvana has always had its fans but how many of them had nirvana Cd&#39;s in their collection when Kurt was alive?

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 03:00 PM
All i was saying is that Nirvana did not change music the way you say they did.

and when i say music i mean music as a whole. when Elvis came along music changed, it was a total break from the norm. now Elvis inspired people like john Lennon (a big fan of Elvis) who along with the Beatles, changed music again. a new form of music, a new way of listening, a new audience suddenly listened. i would go so far as to say their music changed society in some ways.

now what i am saying is that this is not the case with nirvana, to say they changed music is a gross exaggeration. their influence was confined to their particular genre. there are far far more bands that deserve more respect than nirvana has gained and there are many &#39;fans&#39; of nirvana who never heard of the band before Kurt killed himself, his death threw the band into the media and this i think is why nirvana are so popular now.
Yes and no, yes they were obviously thrown into the media and exploited, but the fact that they got so big shows that they broke down genre walls and appealed to everyone. Shit, have you forgot that Smells like Teen Spirit was a number one single in so many countries... WHILE KURT WAS ALIVE. they not only killed off the genre that they came from (more or less) because they couldn&#39;t be topped they exhausted a genre and made us re-assess our musical values, the fact that they did that is pretty damn amazing. Also the major chord has always been seen as the happy chord, kurt pretty much only played major (minor) chords and made his guitar scream. He changed the face of guitar playing/singing/music forever and for the better. It is so painfully easy to under rate something just because it is familiar, we can often overlook genius and beauty. Bob Dylan loves Kurt Cobain, Burroughs did an album with him, he has influenced and changed subversive counter-culture and music just as much as people say he has. that&#39;s what I believe. All I&#39;m really doing here is saying that Justin Hawkins made a rubbish and abhorrent statement, the band is greedy shallow and arrogant, that is also the way I find their music. I find it to be music for drunks, it&#39;s fine at a party but if I listen to it on my own then I just get disgusted. that&#39;s MY opinion you do not have to agree.