I hate this guy

[elijahcraig]

This guy is possibly the most annoying News anchor I've ever seen:

http://www.gogomag.com/sd/x_stevedoocy.jpg

http://www.gogomag.com/sd/x_stevedoocy2.jpg


His name is Steve Doocy and hosts Fox and friends with two other similar fuckwads.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

All Fox news anchors are cumstains... but this is still a trash thread.

[elijahcraig]

I would of put it in chit chat...but ya know I'm stuck in OI.

[ynius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 11:39 AM
All Fox news anchors are cumstains... but this is still a trash thread.
Do you hate them because they actually report fair and balanced news? If you look at their news coverage, not the opinion shows, you would never be able to point out an example of bias like you can on the 3 major networks news and CNN.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Have you seen Fox News?

[elijahcraig]

^Bullshit

It's what they pick and choose that is bias.

[cubist]

fear mungers the lot of them, who cares you still need to know what they show its just you need more than what they show,

[ynius]

So what you are saying is that Fox News is the only station that reports only one side of the story? Sorry, but they always report both sides unlike the other news networks. I still awaiting a story that can prove me wrong. They always report the big news of the day, they just happen to report both sides and to put whatever the story is into perspective unlike all of the others. There is no way that you can disporve that.

[elijahcraig]

No, i say ALL bourgeois media reports one side of the story--the capitalist side.

I just hate this one guy more than any of them.

[DaCuBaN]

Sorry, but [Fox News] always report both sides unlike the other news networks

Hey, that sounds like a challenge to me ;)

Firstly, it's not about whether they show both sides or not: it's about impartiality. Fox are not impartial, by even the most lenient definition of the word.

I have here the same story by two different news networks: Fox and BBC

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3814337.stm)

Fox (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122897,00.html)

To be perfectly honest they speak for themselves. If you would care for me to dissect, then all you have to do is ask :D

[ynius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 02:08 PM
No, i say ALL bourgeois media reports one side of the story--the capitalist side.

I just hate this one guy more than any of them.
He is a geek. There is no question to that. But so are all morning news people. They are suppose to be the lighter side of the news. To me they are boring. Except Kiran Gentry on FoxNews, she's just hot.

As for showing the capitalist side, what's wrong with capitalism? Should you not be rewarded for hard work? Should the people that do not work hard or at all deserve to live the same way I do? Capitalism is what makes the world such a great place. Yes, there are unfortunate effects of people using or screwing other people. If that happens to someone, they should quit and not buy their products. If the company does something illegal, they should be punished according to the crime. But go to some crazy Communist society is nuts. If you like communism and to spread the wealth, why don't you send me some money because I am flat broke. Let's equal out the money you make and redistibute it to me since I really need some money right now.

DaCuBan - as far as the stories go, I will read them and post my review after I have completely read each one.

Please give me more examples of them being impartial.

[elijahcraig]

He is a geek. There is no question to that. But so are all morning news people. They are suppose to be the lighter side of the news. To me they are boring. Except Kiran Gentry on FoxNews, she's just hot.

Horny bastard, you'll be the downfall of us all.


As for showing the capitalist side, what's wrong with capitalism? Should you not be rewarded for hard work? Should the people that do not work hard or at all deserve to live the same way I do? Capitalism is what makes the world such a great place. Yes, there are unfortunate effects of people using or screwing other people. If that happens to someone, they should quit and not buy their products. If the company does something illegal, they should be punished according to the crime. But go to some crazy Communist society is nuts. If you like communism and to spread the wealth, why don't you send me some money because I am flat broke. Let's equal out the money you make and redistibute it to me since I really need some money right now.

I'm not getting into this as you can probably snoop around the OI section of this forum and find thousands of threads and arguments on the subjects you just raised.

[ynius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 02:36 PM

Horny bastard, you'll be the downfall of us all.


That's fine. As long as Kiran is coming with us.

To search that argument means I have to read through some very long threads. I would rather hash it out here. It will be more fun that way.

[DaCuBaN]

Please give me more examples of them [not] being impartial.

You review the information you have, and I'll throw the multitude of other examples at you once you have :)


what's wrong with capitalism? Should you not be rewarded for hard work?

This is the biggest lie concerning communism. Who says you won't get rewarded for your hard work? Bearing in mind that communism and totalitarianism are not one and the same, despite what you've been told (there has never been a communist state - it's an oxymoron).

The only real difference is that there is no 'ruling class'; Industry is run by those who operate it, and owned by everyone. You, as a human under communism are entitled to all the benefits society has to offer - but only if you pull your weight. If you do not, you will not receive.

Not as bad as you thought perhaps? Don't listen to the stark raving 'commies' that populate this site: read, learn and make your own mind up. Communism is a utopian ideology: The way we would like to mold the world to be a better place.

You must agree it could do with some improvement.

[Pawn Power]

As for showing the capitalist side, what's wrong with capitalism? Should you not be rewarded for hard work? Should the people that do not work hard or at all deserve to live the same way I do? Capitalism is what makes the world such a great place. Yes, there are unfortunate effects of people using or screwing other people. If that happens to someone, they should quit and not buy their products. If the company does something illegal, they should be punished according to the crime.

i knew this was eventually comming from his first post


Do you hate them because they actually report fair and balanced news? If you look at their news coverage, not the opinion shows, you would never be able to point out an example of bias like you can on the 3 major networks news and CNN.

you could smell cappie all over it

[elijahcraig]

Let's do this ***** then...


As for showing the capitalist side, what's wrong with capitalism? Should you not be rewarded for hard work? Should the people that do not work hard or at all deserve to live the same way I do?

I don't disagree with any of these statements, and that is why I oppose capitalism. Along with many other reaons, aesthetic to ethical to philosophical.


Capitalism is what makes the world such a great place.

The world is not a great place.


Yes, there are unfortunate effects of people using or screwing other people. If that happens to someone, they should quit and not buy their products. If the company does something illegal, they should be punished according to the crime.

This could be thought of as the extreme version of applying "think locally" to the entire globe.

The "unfortunate effects" you speak of are not as "coincidental" or even as easily found and made better, as you make them out to be.

The effects of capitalism are not as you describe, or at least the ones Marxists are opposed to. Marxism says that society is formed on a class structure, modern day capital is built on the foundation of the capitalist class oppressing the proletariat class. This developed from feudalism, which was quite different, though exploitive still. The Capitalist class develops into an imperialist class in the modern era as well, which is the building of labor aristocracies, the extracting of profit from the third world, the establishing of "liberal feelings" at home, while starving, bombing, and all around destroying the rest of the world (here I mean the third world). In this way, the capitalist class preserves its support at home by media control, while at the same time providing a feeling of comfort (at least to those that have a say in the political system), and thereby giving them the ability to do whatever they want abroad, and very nearly all the time at home as well.

You would have to read Marx's Das Kapital to understand the internal workings of a capitalist economy, which Lenin later expanded upon in his "Imperialism." They are both good reads, even if you don't agree. In Das Kapital, you will find the labour theory of value, the law of surplus value, in which surplus value is extracted from the working class by the capitalist, thereby stealing from the great masses. The workers deserve fairness, just as you would want fairness in criminal court as you have suggested above, say, if someone came up to you on the street, hit you in the face, and stole your money out of your pocket. But imagine this happening to hundreds of millions of people every day for the last few hundred years. That is why communist revolution is necessary.


But go to some crazy Communist society is nuts

This assumes that communist society is crazy, obviously, which is entirely not true, unless you rely completely on western/bourgeois press for every thing you learn about the subject.

[ynius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 02:45 PM
This is the biggest lie concerning communism. Who says you won't get rewarded for your hard work? Bearing in mind that communism and totalitarianism are not one and the same, despite what you've been told (there has never been a communist state - it's an oxymoron).
Communism would be virtually impossible. Some one would get a big head and become a ruler. Stalin & Lenin for example. Also, who wants government telling you what to do.

Why should everyone have a piece of the pie of a company that one person starts? They didn't contribute any blood, sweat, tears and money to start the business. Why should they reap the benefits? The thing that some people do not realize is that are all people are not equal. With that said, all people should have the same rights and privileges available to them. So don't try to turn me into some kind of racist or bigot.

For example, a woman will never be able to naturally stand up and pee into a urinal. It's just not going to happen.

You and I are not equal. We may like some of the same things but not others but we are not equal.

And speaking of this equality issue, should there be no grades in school or should the kid making straight A's share there GPA points for the kid sleeping during class and not doing their homework?

[elijahcraig]

Communism would be virtually impossible. Some one would get a big head and become a ruler. Stalin & Lenin for example. Also, who wants government telling you what to do.

Communism is a stateless system, Stalin and Lenin were not dictators, but socialist heads of a party.


Why should everyone have a piece of the pie of a company that one person starts? They didn't contribute any blood, sweat, tears and money to start the business. Why should they reap the benefits? The thing that some people do not realize is that are all people are not equal. With that said, all people should have the same rights and privileges available to them. So don't try to turn me into some kind of racist or bigot.

Blood, sweat, and tears--I'm not sure Henry Ford put any into his company. He put ideas in, and the workers toiled to make it a success. Mutual aid.

I don't believe in human equality, as I don't know how you'd measure it. I do believe in social law giving the same rights to all people. Except capitalists.


For example, a woman will never be able to naturally stand up and pee into a urinal. It's just not going to happen.

That's really stupid.


And speaking of this equality issue, should there be no grades in school or should the kid making straight A's share there GPA points for the kid sleeping during class and not doing their homework?

I don't believe the school system operates correctly under capitalism, so I also don't believe this is any way to measure something.

But generally, laziness will not be a thing to do in a communist society, as you only get back what you put in.

[fuerzasocialista]

If he's on fox news then he must be a douche bag. That news channel is so on the right that you would think that Limbaugh fuck pulled it out his ass.

[ynius]

For every story of someone just putting in ideas in stead of hard work I can counter that with 2 or 3 of people like my dad working nights, weekends doing what he can to get his business to a point where he can eventually hire help or be able to reitre nicely and not have to worry about his family when he passes.

Stalin & Lenin may have been socialists heads but they were living a much better life than everyone else in the country. Believe me after a while of having power, someone will get the idea that the are invincible and will become a dictator. Unlike the society that we live in with the checks and balances and the right to vote out someone if they do not do what we think is correct.


But generally, laziness will not be a thing to do in a communist society, as you only get back what you put in.

This is the same basis for capitalism. The person or people who put in the time and energy to start a company reap the benfits. If the company grows large enough and employees works, such as Ford, the workers get paid for what they do. They get paid their proportion of the overall work being completed. If they feel that that salary proportion is wrong or incorrect they have the right to ask for a raise or to look for another job or start their on business. Under communism that same worker would get a heaping more load of money to do the same job rather he is working 8 hour days or 12 hour days. The whole you get what you put in theory is not accurate. No one person will ever be satisfied with what they are receiving. They will always want more. It's just the nature of man.

OK, it's time for lunch. I will have to take a brief pause while I go to lunch and support my capitalists buddies at my local fast food restuarant.

[ynius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 03:21 PM
If he's on fox news then he must be a douche bag. That news channel is so on the right that you would think that Limbaugh fuck pulled it out his ass.
PROVE IT!!!

[elijahcraig]

For every story of someone just putting in ideas in stead of hard work I can counter that with 2 or 3 of people like my dad working nights, weekends doing what he can to get his business to a point where he can eventually hire help or be able to reitre nicely and not have to worry about his family when he passes.

There are no "businesses" in communism and your dad could retire much earlier than he can under capitalism with half the work.


Stalin & Lenin may have been socialists heads but they were living a much better life than everyone else in the country.

Stalin lived in a small house with barely any possessions at all. In other words, your facts are not backed up by reality, but by the mythologized nightmares of communism invented by the Capitalist press. Lenin fought his whole life for communism, when it finally came he was old and lived as an old man, not as some rich tsar. If you can prove what you have asserted about them "living better", then go ahead and provide some documentation.


Believe me after a while of having power, someone will get the idea that the are invincible and will become a dictator. Unlike the society that we live in with the checks and balances and the right to vote out someone if they do not do what we think is correct.

More historical revisionist nonsense...provide me with facts or nothing at all. I don't need to debate the same accusations thrown around by the herd-minded Imperialist nations' conventional wisdom.


This is the same basis for capitalism.

NO, the basis for capitalism is 90% of the populace having their labor stolen for the profit of Capitalists.


The person or people who put in the time and energy to start a company reap the benfits. If the company grows large enough and employees works, such as Ford, the workers get paid for what they do.

NO, they are paid for a portion of their labor, while the surplus labor they produce is stolen by the capitalist, in order to allow the company to profit.


If they feel that that salary proportion is wrong or incorrect they have the right to ask for a raise or to look for another job or start their on business.

Again, this is very "locally" (small) minded interpreting.

A worker in, say, Haiti does not have this option. As in Cuba before the socialist revolution, workers and peasants were employed as literal slaves/serfs in the Fruit Corporations which had hooked their octupus arms over the nation. This is the case for the great majority.


Under communism that same worker would get a heaping more load of money to do the same job rather he is working 8 hour days or 12 hour days.

Under communism, the monetary system is obsolete.


The whole you get what you put in theory is not accurate. No one person will ever be satisfied with what they are receiving. They will always want more. It's just the nature of man.

False. This is a myth created to aid in the oppression of the worker.

Most people desire to live a decent life, beyond that they only "desire" what is socially acceptable, what is sociall promoted, and what is taught to them in schools. In capitalist society you are taught to get rich and succeed, so that is the goal. In socialist or communist society you are taught to fulfill your goals in life free of empty desires such as jewelry, money, and other useless objectives.

This is not the nature of man. There DOES exist a human nature, but what it is is only guessed at for the most part. Linguistics of Chomsky largely lays a basis for the foundation of human nature. There is no scientific data or historical evidence to prove that man is "greedy." The historical fact is that the participants in the society are largely (entirely?) motivated by the nature of the social condition which they live in, in other words: the nature of the society and its socioeconomic foundation creates the desires of man. Of course, some are eternal "desires": sex for example.

[DaCuBaN]

Communism would be virtually impossible. Some one would get a big head and become a ruler. Stalin & Lenin for example. Also, who wants government telling you what to do.

Indeed.. which is why I, and many others reject the 'vanguard' model - no party, no rulers.


Why should everyone have a piece of the pie of a company that one person starts? They didn't contribute any blood, sweat, tears and money to start the business. Why should they reap the benefits?

Firstly, as communism excludes money (look up gift economy) they couldn't put any in. Secondly, one man's dream (such as a freelance web designer, to take an example) is not a problem - it's only when this person wishes to employ others that anyone would really give a damn. If they do, they cannot employ - they must share. After all, is not what they wish to offload some of their pain?



The thing that some people do not realize is that are all people are not equal. With that said, all people should have the same rights and privileges available to them. So don't try to turn me into some kind of racist or bigot.


I agree here. No two persons are equal, nor alike. With this in mind communism would be the preferable choice to capitalism - it helps to iron out the inequalities in mankind. There are people out there who aren't as physically strong as you, nor as intellectually developed. Should we not be doing all we can to try and level the playing field; to give those less fortunate than yourself a fighting chance?



For example, a woman will never be able to naturally stand up and pee into a urinal. It's just not going to happen.

I think they can you know... A poor analogy, but the sentiment is understood.


And speaking of this equality issue, should there be no grades in school or should the kid making straight A's share there GPA points for the kid sleeping during class and not doing their homework?

Personally, I'm not in favour of continuous grading - I prefer an examination based system, whereby each child is given the same oppertunities, tailored to suit their abilities and at the end of their term sit the relevant examinations for which there are only two 'grades': Pass or Fail.