Freedom for Palestine

[Freedom for Cyprus]

Israel is a state that has no place in the Middle East. "Like a cucumber" we say in Cyprus, meaning uninvited and unwanted.

The only state that should exist in the first place is Palestine.

Even when the Palestinians tried to compromise and accept the existence of Israel to achieve the recognition of their own state, the Israelis became more provocative than ever.

Let us face it. The Israelis are fascists. And when you defend yourself you are entitled to use every means possible.

The suicidal attacks by the Palestinians are not terrorist acts. They are their only choice to defend themselves.

Goliath is the Palestinians ancestor. But 2500 years later, they are the David of our time.

Freedom for Palestine. I only wish that my people, who decided to compromise with the Turkish occupation of 37% of Cyprus, had half the degnity and courage of the Palestinians. I wish that we had the flame to start our own intifada against the Turkish fascists.

Freedom for Palestine. The "two conflicting sides" theory is bullshit!

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Xenis Xenofontos

[ZaPaTiStA SoCiAlIsTa]

I agree on every aspect, 100%! The only state that should be in existance is Palestine. this isnt two sides, its the oppressors against the oppressed. FREE PALESTINE!

[Moskitto]

Yes, and if many Arab leaders past and present had their way, in your system there would be a holocaust mkII. Hajj Amin al Husseini wanted Hitler to extend the Final solution to North Africa and Palestine, Many fanatical Muslims believe that killing Jews and Christians is good, because they believe they get 79 virgins in heavan.

Israel shouldn't even be on the West Bank and Gaza anyway, Why didn't the UN do anything in 67 when this started?

[Derar]

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Protesters burn U.S. and Israeli flags during a protest against the recent Israeli incursion and the isolation of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in front of the Israel Embassy in Brasilia, Brazil on Tuesday April 2, 2002

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A member of the Arab community wearing a mask holds up a sign that reads: "Ariel Sharon, the beast of the Apocalypse," during a protest against the recent Israeli incursion and the isolation of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, in front of the Israeli Embassy in Brasilia, Brazil .
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Demonstrators burn a U.S. flag for its support for Israel during a march in Amman, Jordan Tuesday, April 2, 2002. Thousands marched protesting against the Israeli incursion into Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's compound in Ramallah
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Palestinian men carry bodies of Palestinians killed by the Israeli army, moved from Ramallah's hospital morgue Tuesday April 2, 2002, into a freshly excavated mass grave. Palestinian hospital officials buried some 15 dead in a mass grave in the parking lot of Ramallah's hospital, as Israeli forces lifted the curfew for four hours to allow Palestinians out of their homes.
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Demonstrators burn U.S. and Israeli flags in front of the Dar el-Fatwa during a street demonstration in Beirut, Lebanon, Tuesday April 2, 2002.
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Palestinians raise their arms in front of an Israeli tank after they were arrested during an Israeli operation in the West Bank City of Ramallah, March 30, 2002.
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French activist of the French organization, "Mission Civile pour la protection du peuple Palestiniene", hold a Palestinian flag as they march towards Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat's destroyed headquarters in Gaza city, Gaza Strip, Tuesday, April 2, 2002.
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Activists burn posters depicting the U.S. and Israeli flags in front of the U.S. consulate in Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia, Tuesday, April 2, 2002.
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A man shouts anti-Israeli slogans outside the Israeli embassy in Madrid while holding a photograph of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat Monday April 1 2002. An estimated 1,500 people demonstrated against the latest Israeli military incursions into Palestinian Authority controlled areas.
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Palestinian paramedics treat Kumle Ibidun, of Bristol, England, after she was shot by Israeli troops when approaching Israeli tanks near Beit Jalla, adjacent to Bethlehem, Monday April 1, 2002, demonstrating against the Israeli military presence.
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An israeli soldier standing next to a palestinian man killed by israeli soldiers in baka city near ramallah.

[Guest]

Why don't you people do a little research on the issue and then state your opinions. You look at Che and are motivated, but for all the wrong reasons. Read a book and see what he was about. He was an anti-nazi first of all and didn't hate people for their beliefs. Also, the Isreali/Palestine struggle is not a story book myth about a heroic legend. This is real life. Innocent people are being killed. Not military comrades like Che believed in executing, but innocent children, women, and families. Read up a little more on proclaimed hero as well as current events and maybe you will then be brought into the new about what is really going on.

[Reuben]

Yeah I am with you cyprus. Victory to the intifada.

There was a demo here in Britain outdside the embassy I just got back from.

We must come to the aid of the palestinians before the second Nacbah occurs

[CheateN02]

Victory To Palistine!

[Freedom for Cyprus]

"Semi knowledge is worst than no knowledge at all" say my greek ancient ancestors.

The occupation of Palestine is not a religious problem. It is an unethical violation of human rights.

Arafat is a Christian. You ever knew that?

The bombers are an extreme result of the 50 years violation of the human rights of the Palestinian.

As for the uncivilized Arabs, we the western countries, should shut the fuck up. Do we forget the bombings in Yougoslavia, the american supported occupation of half of Cyprus, the CIA installed blood - sucking dictators in Africa and Latin America? Do we forget the colonization over the past centuries and the exploitation and slavery of the natives at the colonies?

If the unjust shameless Jews were not stopped the past years, this is because idiots pontius pilatuses like you exist. The two sides and the two sides.

In crimes there are never two sides with conflicting interests. In crimes there are only criminals and victims. Here we have a crime. That of the Jews. The Palestinians are defendind themselves.

And yes. All Jews are guilty exept of those clearly opposed to Simitism. All the neutrals are guilty. Neutrality is an action in favor of the criminals.

Freedom to Palestine. Victory to the Intifada. Victory to every just intifada and revolution around the world. Che was for the opressed. So are we!

[Blackberry]

Hi. My Grandfather is a Cypriot (from southern side, which i take you are also, since Turkey has occupied the North). He recently moved back to Australia again (around 3 years ago).

I was wondering if anything was happening there at the moment. Is there anything in the name of protesting, or violence happening?

Or is nothing hapening at the moment?

I was just interested....

[samaniego]

PALESTINE SHOULD BE FREED!GUEST, WHO EVER YOU MAY BE, FRIEND YOU ARE RIGHT, IT IS THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT WHICH COVERS THE FLOORS OF PALESTINE AND ISRAEL. AND AS FOR ISRAEL BEING ABLE TO EXIST THEY TO HAVE A STAKE IN THAT LAND, HOW ELSE COULD HAVE DAVID AND GOLIATH FOUGHT, UNLESS THEY LIVED NEAR EACH OTHER? THIS ISSUE IS ONE THAT HAS NO WINNER'S, THE GOVERNMENT'S OF BOTH COUNTRY'S HAVE FAR TO MUCH PRIDE TO SETTLE THEIR DIFFERENCE'S WHILE THE INNOCENT CONTINUE TO DIE.
SUICIDE BOMBING ALSO IS NOT A JUSTIFIED MEANS OF ACHIEVING PEACE;ALTHOUGHT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ARE LEFT WITH NO CHOICE THEY SHOULD AT LEAST ATTACK MILITARY TARGETS, OR THOSE WHO ARE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE PALESTINIAN OCUPATION.
I HAVE BEEN TESTING THE IDEA OF AN ANTI WAR PROTEST SIMILAR TO THE ONE HELD IN WESTWOOD CALIFORNIA BY ISRAELI SUPPORTERS 4/2/2002 IN THE SAME PLACE IN SUPPORT OF A FREE PALESTINE ANY INTRESTED PARTIES PLEASE CONTACT ME @ [email protected] OR BY MESSENGER HERE AT CHE LIVES.

[Maaja]

I totally do agree with those who are for the Palestinian freedom. Because I guess that every people and nation does have the right for the self determanation.
A several days ago I met a Spanish professor of internationla rlations and he seemed to be quite intelligent at the beginning. But then he said me that Basque Country is a cancer for Spain and it doesn't ahve any resources, that Spain has to pay for everything. And I asked that if it is really *a cancer* why they want to keep it at all. He got so angry and said something about not giving up and national proud. Poor guy!
You are writing in the Che's mailinglist very often about Palestine, it's a big problem at the moment. But I am asking myself (and you aswell) why don't you write also about other occupied and fighting territories, about Chechnya for example, where the situation is much worse than in Palestine?

I am with you in my soul, comrades!

[Super Xero]

Activists Protesting Peacefully in Ramallah have been depersed with tear gas and rubber bullets by Israel Troops, another so-called Democracy, if there so sure of what there doing is right?? then why disperse them, censor the media and cut Arafat off from the World???

[Maaja]

Arafat is an internationnally apreciated leader of Palestinians, so Sharon and his followers are completely wrong if they want to isolate him from the world. They are acting silly but I think that their good days are over...

[Reuben]

hopefully

[Maaja]

I am sure! Because at least in Estonian press before they showed Palestinians in bad light and wrote all the time how much Jews have been suffered (they definitely have) but now it's different. Because journalist say that if they really have suffered so much, then they should understand about other's suffering aswell and they should feel compassion. And it has become already ridiculous how Jews are excusing everything they do with the holocaust. They are causing the holocaust themselves now!

[Freedom for Cyprus]

TO EVERYONE:

This is not propaganda. It is the truth. Did you know that Israelis sell human organs of their Palestinian victims? Check it out! It is true

TO NEUTRAL NATION:

Glad to find another Cypriot in the forum. What happens here is schizofrenic. Turkey has led more than half of the Turkish Cypriots to leave Cyprus. Turkish settlers have remained in the island. And the Cyprus Republic is doing nothing to protect its civillions from the turkish fascism.

The politicians do not speak about the occupation anymore and they present the Cyprus problem as a problem of two communities ( please notice that the Turkish Cypriot Minority is almost vanished).

The people of the Cyprus Republic, also do not care, as they live in great wealth because of the tourism.

What is happening here is schizofrenic. No degnity at all. I wish we were 1/10 as patriots as the Palestinians.

So again : FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE

And all of us lets remember. The first step to make a better world is to worry about it!

[Pepe Cy]

Hi,

I am propably the third Greek-Cypriot here and I want to share my concerns with you.

Palestine should become independent at any cost. We all have to help at the maxim we can. What is happening now in middle east (not to mention other part of the world like my island and Cuba) is unacceptable.

Their are plenty of people like us, who have the knowledge and the power to bring a change to the world. Dont forget that Che and other guys had make a difference. So can we.

That all for now

[GuerillaTactics]

The Freedom of Palestine is inevitable..... Death to Zionism

[Guest]

Those who target innocent women and children for murder will not further their cause. They are murderers and moral cowards.

[Guest]

Quote: from Freedom for Cyprus on 3:57 pm on April 2, 2002
"Like a cucumber" we say in Cyprus, meaning uninvited and unwanted.
Like when you're shoving one up your anus? Or when you get sliced ones on your salad? Do Nazis like vegetables in their butts? You kind of sound like a vegetable. Cyprus, eh? I've heard they're pretty deviant over there. Freedom for Vegetables!

[Moskitto]

There's some devout Jews who believe Israel shouldn't exist because they think the end of the Israeli state thousands of years ago was a punishment from god and restarting the Israeli state is defying god.

[El Brujo]

What pisses me off about the whole thing is that the U$ still has unconditional fanatical support for Israel after all the shit they have been doing lately. In a conference in South Africa about racism some months ago, they contended Israel as a racist state (which is 100% TRUE) And the U$ got whinny and *****y and left the conference. For fuck sake, the next thing you know the U$ will be bombarding the Palestine (whats even more sickening is that I wouldn't be surprised if they did, its the only thing those sadists havent done to the Palestinians yet).

[Freedom for Cyprus]

To the idiot who signed as GUEST ( page 2 of the forum)

You are not only a servant of the sionists ( or a sionist yourself), but you are one of the idiottest wise-asses i have ever encountered.

I will not fall into the trap you are setting to present the Palestinians as a side, while the Jews seem as the other side. And i will not diminish the problem as a problem between two sides.

Israel is the opressor. The murderer state. These days especially, it shows again its racistic face. The Palestinians are the opressed. The attacks against civillions are just a result. Maybe in the US, where people are pussys and immoralists guided by soap-operas and tv-commercials, the attacks of the Palestinians are unjustifiable.

But... people who have been deprived of their homes, people whose families have at least one dead member each, may act in such manner. Especially if they have tried everything else.

So give them Palestine. Give them their homes. Their freedom. Their human rights. Otherwise, just fuck off and leave us alone.

And something else! Guests ( that is what you are- you are not a member of the community) act as guests. Enroll to the community ( unfortunately i could not reject you) and speak freely as an equal. Will Mossad allow you to enroll?

Once again : Freedom for Palestine.

[Guest]

Those who target innocent women and children for murder will not further their cause. They are murderers and moral cowards. Confused?

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from El Brujo on 3:22 pm on April 7, 2002
they contended Israel as a racist state (which is 100% TRUE)
Israel was established by a few Jewish elite and some Christian world leaders. It's not the masses who went to Israel in 1948 that were racist. Israel was established by racists who hated Palestinians, and many of them were also anti-semites.

[El Brujo]

Im not saying all Israilis are racists. Im saying that the government is racist so its a legally racist state. Nazi Germany was a legally racist state as well as pre-civil rights America but that does not mean that everyone living under them was racist.

[comandante X]

THE PARADOX OF "TERRORISM"

Were the British "terrorists" for defending themselves against the blitz? Was Zapata a "terrorist" for defending his land against the hacienda? If contemporary language were used in the 1960's, blacks fighting for civil rights and hispanics fighting for labor rights would surely be labeled "terrorists." Don't let the word fool you: "Terrorism" is a tool, a tool of subversion by the ruling class to retain political, economic and ideological superiority over those most whom have been oppressed. We all know who the real terrorists are now, don't we.

[Anarcho]

I have to admit that I have sympathy for the Palestinian problem.

But the fact is that, no matter how bad the situation is, strapping a bomb to your chest and running into a crowded street, or car bombing a bus is not going to help. All it does is make things worse.

I feel that Arafat is not the problem, as he does not control the groups that do such things (something I think IDF is just starting to figure out..). If Arafat and the Israeli government worked together, I think a peacable solution could be worked out.

But there are groups (HAMAS and their ilk) that don't want peace, no matter how good the deal.

And all the Isreali people see is suicide bombers. So they are afraid.

If the people worked together, in peace, for just a short while.....

But that's not going to happen, not any time soon, not under any government.

[Kez]

Let us not forget the ziononists bombed London as "terrorists" for their cause of Israeli state

comrade kamo

[Guest]

they're killing each other so is either of them really "right"? mercy on the war hungry fools...

[GuerillaTactics]

Defending your Homeland is one of the most noble acts a mortal can ingage in........ Victory to the Intifada

[Guest]

Quote: from GuerillaTactics on 7:46 pm on April 9, 2002
Defending your Homeland is one of the most noble acts a mortal can ingage inI agree. Victory to the United States.

[RedCeltic]

Guest 67.33.197.11

Join this community or shut the fuck up!

[Guest]

No thank you. Fuck yourself.

[peaccenicked]

some of our guests are most annoying.
Defending an imperialist nation is a million miles away from defending an oppressed nation.

[Foo]

Well seems like were ever you go, these people that get fun out of being pains go.Anyway i think Anarcho has a point.Strapping yourself to bombs and trying to kill as many Isrealites as possible isnt exactly a noble thing.If they want peace then they should stop the suicide bombing and if need be work as Che did in Guerilla warfare, not in causing terror to the civilians.Israel makes mistakes, Palestine makes mistakes, everyone makes mistakes....well maybe not Australia lol.
Whatever the Palestines try there not going to get the peopel of Israel to leave.Firstly where in the world would you migrate the majority of the people of Israel to?!And secondly if they ever did leave it would create even more bitterness.
The Palestinians need to stop there terroirzing actions and Israel should leave as soon as it has secured as much safety as possible for its own people.
The Allied Forces are currently doing much the same in Afghanistan and that has the backing of a lot of people including me.
Foo!

[jaster]

while i might have agreed with you on the "single state proposal" in 1948-49 now that israel is now a firmly ingrained nation. However before you see me as an israeli sympathizer, i am nothin of the sort, i hate the IDF and what they are doing in the occupied territories, i do not hate jewish people but if i may use a quote "this is just one place where religion is used to justify injustice"-Samia (from the book occupied voices) Now my proposal would to institude UN resolution 242, calling for Israel to withdraw to all pre 1967 boundries, meaning the relinquishment of the golan(to syria), the gaza, the west bank and the creation of a single democratic palistinian state with full control over water, air and land rights.

[bcbm]

Why the fuck did you necropost a topic from three years ago on your first posting?

[Noah]

I was wondering that too..

[Phalanx]

This thread should be trashed.

[kingbee]

hey, its still relevant.

i believe that even though israel should never have been there in the first place, it is now there, and there should be humane treatment towards the palestinians.

however, the situation is difficult. if people were bombing you right, left and centre, and you needed to protect your citizens, then what would you do? israel is in a completely unique situation, as they are a first world established democracy, rubbing shoulders with a third world transitional democracy- the differences in ontology and ways of dealing with situations are going to be incredible, and this is without even considering the role of religion in the situation.

while i am pro-palestinian, i believe that understanding is needed on both sides, not only one.