Communism

[bluerev002]

I was talking with my brothers college proffesor the other day and he brought this to my mind which ive pondered since:

-The Communist theory is heading towards a decline. With the US streatching its umbrella of power more and more the day is not far when it will start to build its own global empire(Much like the Romans did to most of Europe). And with the US having a stronger hold over the world and its market, it is becoming almost imposible for any third world country to liberate itself (take a look at Laos and most of Central America).

In the decades to come (assuming that what was stated above is true) most of the world will be exploited and the money pocketed by its own elite and not the country itself. The people of later generations, forced to work and uneducated, will inevitably forget Communism or any hopes of any type of revolution (police and satellites will help them detect any small signs of revolution).

America itself will reach the age of Orwell's 1984 and will be too "numbed" (as the professor put it to actually do anything against such policies.

Thus a new form of elites will arise, more powerful than ever before. Eventually their greed will be too much and history will repeat itself once more as the global empire will fall from the inside. The gap between rich and poor will be too much, the only middle class will be the class living in America, and either human kind will destroy itself by the coming of a new ice age (yeah, that long) or the poor will revolt (yes, this does contradict previously stated statements but this is years later) when life becomes unberable and communism will make its return, this time in full force.-

This all sounds like Orwell's 1984 with the three super powers, but it may be true.

There are somethings that can be easily questioned here of course. For one, if the US does make a world empire, who will it trade with? Thats were a lot of money comes in, from trade.


Anyways, thats a theorty. An old theory I assume.

[Louis Pio]

Well you are sort of contradicting yourself.

Like this:
In the decades to come (assuming that what was stated above is true) most of the world will be exploited and the money pocketed by its own elite and not the country itself. The people of later generations, forced to work and uneducated, will inevitably forget Communism or any hopes of any type of revolution (police and satellites will help them detect any small signs of revolution).

Well this would certainly lead to massdiscontent. Whether they have a conscious ideology or not. Also I think it's kinda naive to belive that the police can be all powerfull like this and sort of disconnected from society. Cops are humans like you and me and thus subject to the influence of society. (what is happening, discontent etc)

Or your first paragraph:
The Communist theory is heading towards a decline. With the US streatching its umbrella of power more and more the day is not far when it will start to build its own global empire(Much like the Romans did to most of Europe). And with the US having a stronger hold over the world and its market, it is becoming almost imposible for any third world country to liberate itself (take a look at Laos and most of Central America).

Nothing seems to be pointing in that direction. The USA has their hands full in Iraq at the moment. They are even talking about reinstating the draft. This they will only do when they are desperate, they already burned their hands with it in Vietnam.

Just my oppinion...

[Comrade Latino]

It may be declinig but remember that an idea cannot die.

[bluerev002]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 06:56 PM
Also I think it's kinda naive to belive that the police can be all powerfull like this and sort of disconnected from society. Cops are humans like you and me and thus subject to the influence of society. (what is happening, discontent etc)



And why not? What about the Green Police that Hitler used to capture Jews. It is very posible for some form of elite fighting group to police the surrounding area in search of possible radicals. The police always the first group that the US turns to in order to detect any first signs of revolution in latin america.



Nothing seems to be pointing in that direction. The USA has their hands full in Iraq at the moment.

And whats next after Iraq? They already got most of Latin America. Its in the plans by the way to have the whole world as their own type of factory with each sector of the world beign used for specific resourses (Latin America for raw materials, Japan and Germany for industry, ect.). This plan is the "Grand Area" you can read about it in What Uncle Sam Really Wants by Noam Chomsky.

Of course the book is old, but the ideas are still the same.

[redstar2000]

"What if" scenarios are the secret vice of historians...and of those who look for social change as well. Plausible ones are easy to construct, pessimistic and optimistic alike.

The clearest difference between the Roman Empire in its period of expansion and the American Empire at present is that the Romans sincerely believed in their imperial rhetoric. It gave them a "sense of purpose"...the "noble idea" that they were "spreading civilization" into the barbarous regions of the world.

American imperialists attempt to use this same rhetoric...but, to many, it rings hollow. I think Americans (and British, Australians, etc.) are becoming quite skeptical of this rhetoric. The greater the burden of empire (the draft, casualties, taxes, etc.), the more disenchanted they will become.

Of course, the ruling class can always invoke the "totalitarian option"...an outright dictatorship coupled with massive repression. Will that "work"?

Remember, if and when they do that, they forfeit all claims of "legitimacy" in the eyes of the people here and over almost the entire planet. Recall the outstanding success of Germany and Japan...at uniting almost the entire world against them.

The U.S. is already well on its way to a similar "success".

I think your professor's scenario errs on the pessimistic side of the scale.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[bunk]

well they're going to clash head on with China or do nothing and be prepared for China to overtake them in world power.

[Rex_20XD6]

I htink that communisus is on the declin because what i'v seen of other countries is that there trying to let the people dicide like what the U.S. is doing. i dont know if there will be as meny communist countries as there are now. now that's my perspective. do some reserch and tell me wrong.

sorry about my spelling, its late and im really sleepy!

[Misodoctakleidist]

If people completely forgot about communism it probably wouldn't be such a bad thing, it would certainly get rid off all that leninist nonsense. If the oppertuniy for change is there then people will take it whether they have knowledge of some grand theory or not, if the situation described actually occured then there wuold be great unrest amongst the majority of the world population and no matter how militarily powerfull a governament is it can't rule entirely through force.