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bunk
15th June 2004, 16:20
Marx said that a communist society will be stateless but in practice he said it will be achieved through absoloute dictatorship?
Can anyone clear this up for me.

The Feral Underclass
15th June 2004, 17:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 06:20 PM
Marx said that a communist society will be stateless
Yes he did.


but in practice he said it will be achieved through absoloute dictatorship?

What you maybe talking about is something that Marx called 'the dictatorship of the proletariat.' The theory is that capitalism cannot simply give way to communism and that there must be a transitional period. Marx called this 'the dictatorship of the proletariat' or the first stage, socialism What Marx envisiged was the working class taking control of the state and using it for the benifit of the workers, creating a dictatorship of the proletariat over the bourgeoisie, in order to pave the way for communism. The state would be used as a tool to oppress the minority class, which is the ruling class who control society, by the majority class which is the working class, who effectivly make society work. They would then organise society so that it benifited everyone. Eventually, so the theory goes, the state would no longer be needed and would "wither away."

Does that help?

bunk
15th June 2004, 19:17
so the dictatorship of the proletariat is provisional? which is not what i have heard

The Feral Underclass
16th June 2004, 06:56
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 09:17 PM
so the dictatorship of the proletariat is provisional? which is not what i have heard
That's the theory, but in practice that has never been the case.

bunk
16th June 2004, 16:48
It's seems pretty unlikely that unless you have a good guy in power that he would ever start this advancement of the revolution or there might even have to be another revolution.

Cheech06
17th June 2004, 03:56
True that :huh:

DaCuBaN
17th June 2004, 08:24
It's seems pretty unlikely that unless you have a good guy in power that he would ever start this advancement of the revolution or there might even have to be another revolution

Indeed this is true, and this is why many 'communists' reject the vangaurd model, and the party 'ruling class'

Ed Abby, an Anarchist put it quite succinctly...

"since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others"