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The Feral Underclass
15th June 2004, 09:17
The true face of a party which wants us out of Europe

(Or 10 things the UKIP don't want you to know about them)
15 June 2004

Twelve angry men

1. UKIP's 12 new MEPs are all white, male, and aged between 50 and 65. They include the man who, in his time as a Labour MP, before he became a television celebrity and controversial newspaper columnist (now retired), was touted as a future prime minister. Robert Kilroy-Silk's colleagues include a former Tory whip, a retired undertaker and an ex-teacher. They are promising to act together in a guerrilla campaign to wreck the workings of the European Parliament: this may be ambitious for a party which has been riven by internal divisions and has a poor record of attendance at the parliament.

A far-right alliance?

2. In the last European parliament, the three UKIP MEPs sat with the EDD group (Europe of Democracies and Diversities). The group is Eurosceptic but not in favour of withdrawal. The question is: where will UKIP sit in the next parliament? They may stay with the EDD or they could form a new grouping with MEPs totally opposed to membership. UKIP may even opt to join the far-right, as represented by Jean-Marie Le Pen.

Nice work if you can get it

3. UKIP's three MEPs in the last European Parliament had modest records. Graham Booth ranked 433rd in attendance out of 625, Nigel Farage was 554th, and Jeffrey Titford was 543rd. Each claims his parliamentary salary of £65,000 a year, and allowances can double that figure. For all that, they managed one parliamentary question during their five-year term.

On the tiles

4. Richard North, ex-UKIP research officer, said of Mr Farage: "I am not ... prepared to pour him into a taxi when he was so blind drunk he could no longer stand, or cover for him when he failed to turn up for morning appointments because he had been out on the tiles all night.''

New Britain, old prejudices

5. Two senior UKIP figures, Mike Nattrass and Mr Titford, are past members of the New Britain Party, founded as a pro-Rhodesia and anti- "coloured immigration" party. Mr Nattrass, elected as an MEP yesterday, stood for New Britain in the 1994 Dudley by-election. Asked recently about it, he said: "It isn't what you're thinking. It's not racist. It's more interested in celebrating the Queen's birthday and things like that."

'Seriously deluded'

6. George Eustice, a senior adviser to the Tory leader Michael Howard, who has described UKIP as "extremists" stood for the party in 1999, wearing a "Leave the European Union" slogan across his chest. He has said: "Although there are quite a lot of well-meaning people in UKIP, they are quite seriously deluded."

Dial Max for information

7. Max Clifford, a supporter of the Blair administration, has taken a leading role in UKIP's media strategy, in relation to its celebrity backers and donors. When it was revealed a retired bookie had given the party £500,000, callers were referred to the veteran publicist.

Three MEPs, three views

8. Alan Sked, the LSE lecturer who helped found the party, has said: "UKIP's MEPs are a standing joke at Strasbourg, where ... the three often vote in different ways on the same issue." He condemns UKIP for taking up its seats, saying the money would have been better spent on the National Health Service.

The Big Split

9. More than 200 members left in 2000 in protest at the election of Mr Titford as leader. He beat Rodney Atkinson, brother of comedian Rowan. The three MEPs split into two camps.

The BNP plot

10. UKIP announced in February that it had smashed an "infiltration" attempt by the British National Party. It expelled a member in Yorkshire, who, it said, was also a senior BNP official, and an activist in Bath accused of passing information to the BNP. But Richard Corbett, a Labour MEP, said: "In Yorkshire, where both the BNP and UKIP put up candidates, they appear to have come to an arrangement not to stand against one another."

The Independent (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=531702)

ÑóẊîöʼn
15th June 2004, 10:07
Who cares? I didn't vote for them.

The Feral Underclass
15th June 2004, 10:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 12:07 PM
Who cares? I didn't vote for them.
:unsure: I don't know?

ÑóẊîöʼn
15th June 2004, 12:04
I'm just curious as to why you, an anarchist, would have anything to do with bourgeois politics, let alone get involved with a smear campaign involving a political party that isn't big enough to be taken seriously by even bourgeois politicians?

Funky Monk
15th June 2004, 12:08
What quite amuses me is the way they criticise the corrupt nature of the European Parliament, focusing on the fact that many people dont turn up and still sign on for bonuses, and yet Kilroy has promised to do exactly that......

The Feral Underclass
15th June 2004, 12:20
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 02:04 PM
I'm just curious as to why you, an anarchist, would have anything to do with bourgeois politics,
Sorry, I didn't realise copy and pasting consituted having "anything to do with bourgeois politics."


let alone get involved with a smear campaign involving a political party that isn't big enough to be taken seriously by even bourgeois politicians?

I thought that people might be interested to read about this political party.

I also think that they should be taken seriously, especially if their forming alliances with far-right political parties such as the British National Party and the French National Front.

And I have posted many articles about the BNP before, what's the big problem?

h&s
15th June 2004, 15:18
Or 10 things the UKIP don't want you to know about them)

1. UKIP's 12 new MEPs are all white, male, and aged between 50 and 65.
God, thats a revelation!
I'm sad to say, none of that is really new to me.


I'm just curious as to why you, an anarchist, would have anything to do with bourgeois politics, let alone get involved with a smear campaign involving a political party that isn't big enough to be taken seriously by even bourgeois politicians?
We have to take people like UKIP seriously. I rekon that they could be a threat if they continue to spread their anti-europe propaganda.
They'll end up getting people to actually dislike Europeans, and that can never be a good thing.

Anyway, those people who voted for them have to be completely stupid. Voting for a party that doesn't vote in the European parliament means that more power will be transfered to Brussels as their interests are not seen to.

ÑóẊîöʼn
15th June 2004, 15:21
And I have posted many articles about the BNP before, what's the big problem?

Articles about the BNP are fine, as they can cause problems 'on the street level'

I hardly think people are gonna be chucking stones at each other over £'s vs Euros.

DaCuBaN
15th June 2004, 15:23
You don't know that :lol:

James
15th June 2004, 16:28
Twelve angry men

1. UKIP's 12 new MEPs are all white, male, and aged between 50 and 65. They include the man who, in his time as a Labour MP, before he became a television celebrity and controversial newspaper columnist (now retired), was touted as a future prime minister. Robert Kilroy-Silk's colleagues include a former Tory whip, a retired undertaker and an ex-teacher. They are promising to act together in a guerrilla campaign to wreck the workings of the European Parliament: this may be ambitious for a party which has been riven by internal divisions and has



a poor record of attendance at the parliament.

This is what rulled out the possibility of me voting for them.
But on the other hand - all parties have this "problem". Like Mrs Kinnock.

Just because a few do it doesn't mean the party is evil and wants to suck the blood of virgins. The problem the UKIP has is that it only had a few few few MEPs - so its hard to say its a "minority" like labour can do.


2. In the last European parliament, the three UKIP MEPs sat with the EDD group (Europe of Democracies and Diversities). The group is Eurosceptic but not in favour of withdrawal. The question is: where will UKIP sit in the next parliament? They may stay with the EDD or they could form a new grouping with MEPs totally opposed to membership. UKIP may even opt to join the far-right, as represented by Jean-Marie Le Pen.

I think this is a tenuous link...

They are firstly for withdrawal.
Parties sit with people who have similar views (thus they arn't going to sit next to the tories [who sit in the centre right part] who want the opposite to what they want).



On the tiles

4. Richard North, ex-UKIP research officer, said of Mr Farage: "I am not ... prepared to pour him into a taxi when he was so blind drunk he could no longer stand, or cover for him when he failed to turn up for morning appointments because he had been out on the tiles all night.''

Unlike the other Tee-total parties?



'Seriously deluded'

6. George Eustice, a senior adviser to the Tory leader Michael Howard, who has described UKIP as "extremists" stood for the party in 1999, wearing a "Leave the European Union" slogan across his chest. He has said: "Although there are quite a lot of well-meaning people in UKIP, they are quite seriously deluded."

Shocking. A tory (who are for staying in) says the UKIP are deluded!
This point is pritty useless when one considers the tory parties problem of loosing voters (and MPs!) to Ukip. Same with labour.


8. Alan Sked, the LSE lecturer who helped found the party, has said: "UKIP's MEPs are a standing joke at Strasbourg, where ... the three often vote in different ways on the same issue." He condemns UKIP for taking up its seats, saying the money would have been better spent on the National Health Service.

This does seem an issue.
I think it will resolve itself this time though. They are now a high profile party.
Now they have to perform (especially so when one considers how anti ukip the media are)


The BNP plot

10. UKIP announced in February that it had smashed an "infiltration" attempt by the British National Party. It expelled a member in Yorkshire, who, it said, was also a senior BNP official, and an activist in Bath accused of passing information to the BNP. But Richard Corbett, a Labour MEP, said: "In Yorkshire, where both the BNP and UKIP put up candidates, they appear to have come to an arrangement not to stand against one another."

BNP have tried to infiltrate any party that they think is a threat, and any party which they think they can get some nice middle class support from.

And what bullshit about not standing!
look for yourself! (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/elections2004/tables/0,14549,1234741,00.html)

DaCuBaN
15th June 2004, 16:41
What worries me is...

Lab 310,865 (26.42%)
SNP 231,505 (19.67%)
C 209,028 (17.76%)
LD 154,178 (13.10%)
Green 79,695 (6.77%)
UKIP 78,828 (6.70%)
SSP 61,356 (5.21%)
OCV 21,056 (1.79%)
BNP 19,427 (1.65%)
Wind Watch 7,255 (0.62%)
Ind 3,624 (0.31%)


SNP and SSP both advocate Scotland as an independant entity in Europe - this means a quarter of scotland want to see her drop out of the UK and take a place in Europe alone.

I get feeling that my english comrades may be on their own within the next 10 years :angry: :(

Funky Monk
15th June 2004, 23:19
Im sorry James but your accusation that the condemnation from the Tory stems from political rivalry is quite frankly deluded. You think he'd be that interested in party unity with concerns to Europe?!?!

James
16th June 2004, 07:07
Yes; when it came to the european election (because they lost an awful lot of votes to Ukip)...

T_SP
22nd June 2004, 18:32
I think Rage against the machine put it well.

"Know your enemy"