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elijahcraig
13th June 2004, 05:10
I support this group, do you?

http://irsm.org/irsm.html

elijahcraig
13th June 2004, 05:48
http://www.morrigan.net/irsm/plough40.htm

If you ever need a Malcolm X quote, here is where you can find some, from IRSM.

Guerrilla22
13th June 2004, 21:44
seems like a legitimate socialist movement to me.

Conghaileach
19th June 2004, 22:57
I think that they are the most ideologically sound party in Ireland (but, to be honest, that really isn't saying much).

chebol
21st June 2004, 07:01
Actually, I've been meaning to add the 'Irps' to that list of socialist organisations. They're a split from the 'Stickies' (Official IRA) back in the Seventies, both as a reaction to the Stalinist degeneration of the OIRA, and in response to the perceived need for more action in the occupied territories than words in Dublin or Cork.
Their armed wing, the Irish National Liberation Army [INLA], assassinated Airey Neave- Thatcher's mentor- in the House of Commons carpark).
The IRSM (and IRSP) are in the tradition of James Conolly and his Irish Socialist Republican Party, and oppose the Good Friday Agreement for being a convenient way to sell out of the struggle (yes, that means YOU Sinn Fein) ;) .
The INLA did, however, call a ceasefire, but based on the argument that the Irish people were against the use of violence at this juncture.

Their newsletter, The Plough, is good as well.

Reuben
21st June 2004, 12:19
how do people feel about the summary justice which INLA seems to be associated with. Personally i dont know ag great deal. It may be an understandable improvised response to the neglect by the police of impoverished catholic estates yet from what i know it can be quite brutal and seems to contravene the principle of innocent until proven guilty

Conghaileach
21st June 2004, 17:04
This is from The Plough #44. It's a very honest appraisal of the recent elections in England and Ireland, and the shortcomings of the left...


IT'S GOOD TO TALK

The election results were a disappointment for those on the left.
In England, Respect, an opportunist creation of the Socialist Workers
Party, crashed to a humiliating defeat. Respect was trumpeted as the
spearhead of the radical left's revival. It was to have mobilised the
votes of the millions of people who opposed the Iraq war, and its
leaders confidently boasted they would win seats and "give Blair a
bloody nose" on June 10. But reality checked in. In the European
elections, it averaged a mere 1.67% of the vote in the nine English
regions. The other radical left party, the Greens, polled nearly four
times more, notching up 6.19%. As well as being annihilated by the
big three parties, UKIP and the Greens, Respect was also eclipsed in
the European ballot by a motley collection of minor fringe parties,
including the BNP, English Democrats, Seniors, Independents and the
Countryside Alliance.

In the North of Ireland, the Socialist Environmental Alliance
candidate, Eamonn McCann, who based the bulk of his campaign on
opposition to the Iraq war, polled a disappointing 9 thousand odd
votes, just over 1% of the vote. The manner in which the SEA
established itself, chooses its candidate and conducted its campaign
is an object lesson in how not to build a socialist alternative.
Remember the SEA claimed to have support from environmentalists,
trade unionists, etc. In reality the Green Party stood their own
candidate, the Workers Party supported the independent, Gilliland,
(no politics) and some trade unionists refused to back McCann because
of his stance on the IRSP. At the end of the day McCann had the
support of only some members of the CPI, the SWP and some very
dedicated socialists and trade unionists. We take no pleasure in the
low vote for McCann. We warned the SEA that by placing the emphasis
on calling for imperialism out of Iraq they were making a fundamental
mistake. To oppose Imperialism far away while deliberately ignoring
its presence in Ireland and refusing to tackle the fundamental
contradictions at the heart of Irish politics the SEA were
opportunist and dishonest. Because of the national question the vast
majority of workers voted for the party that they believed could best
protect what they saw as their national interest. Hence the huge
votes for both the DUP and Sinn Fein. As republican socialists we may
regret the workers' choice as it seems to set worker against worker
but we will not ignore where the workers consciousness is. The SEA's
stance of appeals to an abstract class-consciousness while ignoring
the real consciousness of the workers was an ultra leftist error. It
is relevant to recall the remarks made by Jack Bennett in an
introduction to "Freedom the Wolfe Tone Way" by Sean Cronin and
Richard Roche 1973 when he wrote,

"The socialists of the O'Brien School hold that it is not permissible
even to talk about territorial unity and political independence
because they say a million Protestants in the North don't want those
things. It is quite all right however to blether away to your hearts
content about 'socialism' even though five million Irish people, at
the moment at any rate do not want socialism. How come? What's the
difference? Simple. It is a hellavalot safer to blether about
socialism. It gets you nowhere. It keeps the cosy status quo
comfortably intact. And it does not bring you too closely to the bone
of the real politics."

The relative success of some socialists in the 26 county elections
shows the importance of sustained political work on the ground. There
is no shortcut to support for socialist policies other than by
sustained long term work within the working class and that work is
political, economic socials and cultural as well as electoral. Sinn
Fein's populist approach paid off in electoral terms. The strategy of
broadening their base by appealing out from the traditional
republican base towards the wider radical, environmentally conscious
and educated youth has reaped its reward. Sinn Fein is now in the
process of challenging for the support of the traditional Irish
Labour Party supporter while at the same time winning over the more
republican minded grass roots Fianna Fail supporter. As its support
grows we can confidently see an even more shift to the centre away
from any concept of socialism.

The IRSP is a small republican socialist party that considers itself
internationalist. We have members mainly residing in nationalist
working class areas in the North and with strong roots among some
working class communities. We were prepared to consider working with
other groups on a principled basis to see if agreement could be
reached for agreed political platform for the last election. The
opportunism of the SEA prevented that. Nevertheless we will continue
to have an open door to those who wish to talk about developing
socialist/socialist republican ideas, policies and programmes.
If the left and the republican left can not even talk to each other
why oh why would the bulk of the working class population even give
us the time of day? It's good to talk.

Conghaileach
21st June 2004, 17:14
Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 01:19 PM
how do people feel about the summary justice which INLA seems to be associated with. Personally i dont know ag great deal. It may be an understandable improvised response to the neglect by the police of impoverished catholic estates yet from what i know it can be quite brutal and seems to contravene the principle of innocent until proven guilty
I agree with what you're saying. Even the IRSP oppose punishment beatings, but the problem is that the situation exists where working class people are coming to the door of an activist in their community, asking for them to do something about the scourge of anti-social behaviour in these areas. We'd all prefer a more positive approach, trying to get these young people to get active so that they have something to do, but the fact that many young people are destroying their own communities through drug dealing and joyriding and whatever else can't be overlooked.


This statement is from The Plough #30 (dated 12 March)...

The Blanket, Eamonn McCann, and the Use of Language

On the 7th of March, The Blanket
<http://lark.phoblacht.net/ardoynesem.html> carried an article
entitled "Ardoyne Suicides" by the journalist Eamonn McCann. At no
stage since the whole issue of suicides in Ardoyne blew up did Eamon
McCann approach the Republican Socialist Movement to hear its side of
the story in relation to what was happening in the area. That does
not surprise us. Regularly the Sunday World prints a whole series of
lies about our movement and rarely tries to get our side of the
story. The journalist Eamonn McCann used to work for the Sunday
World, so maybe he learnt bad journalist habits there.

In his article in the Blanket, McCann refers to the "Irish National
Liberation Army" and he uses speech marks around the name. However
when we checked his writings about other armed groups we found that
he referred to both the Provisional IRA and the Real IRA without
speech marks (Socialist Worker, Issue 208). Of course the purpose of
the speech marks was to question the validity of the INLA and later
on in his article he refers to "INLA gangs" and "to guttersnipes with
guns."

He also peddles the lie that one of the young suicide victims was
subjected to "prolonged vicious beating by an INLA gang". He also
finds it hard to believe that the local community had pressurised the
INLA to take action against those engaged in anti-social behaviour.
For the record, the INLA is approached in a lot of areas, including
Derry, to take action against "hoods." I wonder what Eamonn would do
with the hoods in Derry who tried to set a young fellow on fire
recently. Give them a copy of Tony Cliff&#39;s book, "State Capitalism"?

Eamonn talks about "self worth". Fine. Does he think that his
negative references to the INLA will persuade anyone in that
organisation to listen to his voice? Denigrating and belittling
people and organisations on the basis of false media reporting, half
truths, and a concerted campaign by pro-Agreement people to discredit
the INLA will not cut any ice with those living in working class
areas suffering from a reign of terror from hoods.

We know that the volunteers in the INLA acted from the best of
motives in doing what they did. But the IRSP has said both publicly
and privately to them that a number of their actions were wrong. We
have exerted our influence to change their way of dealing with
problems. In fact we have been working on this from long before
Eamonn McCann and his media cronies discovered Ardoyne and suicide.
(Those who wish to know the details can contact [email protected])

McCann is also being simplistic about the issue of funding. A large
slice of peace funding has been going into Ardoyne creating jobs for
pro-Agreement elements. There is also a Community Restorative Justice
scheme in the area perceived to be too closely associated with one
pro-Agreement party. Some people believe that the end result of such
funding is only to cement the electoral machine of some politicians
and tie them in more firmly to the whole process of pacification.
Perhaps some enterprising journalist will actually conduct proper
investigative journalism into this whole area.

We have been trying to encourage people to take responsibility for
their own community and we see that as part of the process of
empowering the working class to begin to take control of the state
and begin the task of building a socialist society. Members of our
movement have made mistakes and our organisation has made mistakes in
the past. No doubt we will make mistakes in the future.

But we will not equivocate about imperialism. Recently at the so-
called "Left Convention" in Derry, I was accused of personally
attacking Eamonn McCann after I said that the programme he was
standing on amounted to gas and water socialism. Below is his answer
in Socialist Worker to the following question: But is this not
all "gas and water socialism"? What about imperialism?

"We are unashamedly anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist. We are
actively against the occupation of Iraq and the corporate agenda,
which enforces cutbacks and privatisation across the globe. The
threat to water service jobs here and introduction of water charges
is an example. Those who see themselves as anti-imperialists should
see that this is the front to fight on for the future. The fight
against imperialism in 2003 is a fight against US-led imperialism
across the globe, or it is nothing. Those who welcome Bush as "a
friend of Ireland" position Ireland on the side of imperialism. We
reject the idea that the issues which are convulsing the world have
nothing to do with politics here. We make common cause with all
across the world struggling for the same aims. We wouldn&#39;t have taken
George Bush&#39;s hand at Hillsborough except to twist it up his back and
run him out the door."

All very fine and noble sentiments but notice what is missing? There
is no mention of British imperialism nor is there a clear call for
the defeat of USA/British troops in Iraq. Perhaps that might alienate
some of the more pacifist members of the SEA. Well, we believe that
there is an imperialist presence in Ireland and as republicans our
comrades fought and died opposing that imperialism. They did not die
for a nationalist Ireland. They died for the liberation of all the
working class from reactionary ideologies and for the establishment
of a Workers Republic here.

Words are important and Eamonn McCann has a fine way with them. He is
also a fine writer and writes exactly what he means. His words in The
Blanket effectively put him on the other side of the barricades to
ourselves. He is on the side of the guttersnipes with word-processors.

(Gerry Ruddy)