Enver Hoxha

[elijahcraig]

I am surprised to not see more talk about Enver Hoxha, so I started a thread.

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/

Trot link, so it's is obviously biased in some accounts on his biography, but has some of his works, so it's a good start.



Who here supports Hoxha?

[Hate Is Art]

Doesn't sound that great to be honest, appears to be a Stalinist Dinosaur.

Do you have any more infomation on numbers killed to gains made in agri-culture and industry?

[elijahcraig]

No.

[Invader Zim]

Anther mad dictator, whose mother would have doneus all a favour by killing at birth.

[elijahcraig]

More hippie trash^.

[Salvador Allende]

Enver Hoxha did wonders. He freed the people of Albania from religion, turned it from a near-feudalistic state into an industrial Socialist nation. Enver Hoxha also was one of about a handfull of people to stand with Mao in opposition to Khruschovist revisionism that was sweeping the world.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 12:14 AM
More hippie trash^.
No evidence provided to prove me wrong ^.

[Hate Is Art]

what was so great about him? he just sounds like a typical Stalinist/Fascist.

[Salvador Allende]

Digital Nirvana, just the fact that you consider Stalinist in any way different from Marxism-Leninism leads me to believe you either know nothing about Marxism-Leninism or are a Trotskyist. Marxism-Leninism is the same as Stalinism, all Stalinism is is the support of Koba over Leon Trotsky and support of real Marxism-Leninism over Trotskyist revisionism. Koba was not a dictator, the Soviet of Nationalities made many decisions on their own which today are credited to him (namely the execution of poles) and he could do nothing to stop them because he did not have power of the parliament (unlike a dictator, who would have that power).

In his time he was generally known world-wide as a hero to the people, a great humanitarian and one of but a few people who were a good, kind leader. But, the second he died, Khruschovist revisionists who supported Leon Trotsky, lied about many things and attributed all wrongs in the USSR to Koba himself. Keep in mind that many errors and slaughteres in WWII and before were because of Khruschov himself and Khruschov got the blame on someone else by blaming Koba. This policy was continued until the death of the USSR (although, Khruschov and Malenkov's policys began to cause it's death some 40 years earlier).

I can only think of a handful of people who sided with Mao when he recognized this and criticized Malenkov, Khruschov and Brezhnev. All of these men generally sided with Mao in 1965, some broke off relations with the USSR, some didn't and just leaned slightly towards Mao and just made sure they didn't become USSR-puppets: Nicolae Ceausescu, Enver Hoxha, Kim Il Sung.

On the lines of Enver Hoxha, he saved the people from religion, modernized a nation through Socialism, helped lead the people out of Mussolini's Fascism and was one of a few men to stand against Khruschovism. Hoxha is generally still seen as a symbol of Albania and many Albanians now long to have the days of Hoxha come again. Thus, many Albanian party's (Communist, Socialist, Nationalist or other) generally use Hoxha's image frequently.

[Enver Hoxha]

It would perhaps be better if some of these folks calling Enver Hoxha a 'mad Stalinist/Fascist dictator' actually bothered to do any research into what the Albanian people think about the matter.

But that would probably be to difficult.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Enver [email protected] 14 2004, 09:45 PM
It would perhaps be better if some of these folks calling Enver Hoxha a 'mad Stalinist/Fascist dictator' actually bothered to do any research into what the Albanian people think about the matter.

But that would probably be to difficult.
Ohh indeed, it would CC, I have read enough about Enver Hoxha already, I do not feal the need to poison my mind further with such people.

Though if you post a suitably short (cant be arsed reading a 30,000 word thesis :D) artical for me, then I will read it.

[Ortega]

The PLA government imprisoned, executed, or exiled thousands of landowners, rural clan leaders, Muslim and Christian clerics, peasants who resisted collectivization, and party officials. Hoxha's social and economic policies, whicheven prohibited private ownership of automobiles, exercised a brake on Albania's development and meant that in some areas collective agriculture was not even mechanized. Despite gains in food production and industrialization, by the 1980s Albania was widely regarded as having the lowest standard of living Europe, but Hoxha's isolationist policies left a populace so out of touch with the outside world that many thought that Albania was the most prosperous country in Europe.

Hoxha retired from active politics in 1981, but not without carrying out a final purge in which the several leading party members and government officials were executed.
Oh, he sounds absolutely wonderful. A real "people's hero."

[Individual]

It would perhaps be better if some of these folks calling Enver Hoxha a 'mad Stalinist/Fascist dictator' actually bothered to do any research into what the Albanian people think about the matter.

But that would probably be to difficult.

You were joking, correct?

What you have said is the equivalent of me stating this:

Hitler wasn't a bad guy at all, I mean honestly; haven't you read what the people of Germany thought of Hitler? He was a hero by their standers, therefore he wasn't a bad guy. Due to the fact that the he tried to drive them out of poverty, while making "Germans" a master race, he was an all around great guy!

Or how about this:

The people of the Confederate states thought highly of the confederacy, therefore the confederacy was a good thing.

Or how about this:

The people of the US think highly of the US, therefore the US must be a good thing.

Your logic makes is asinine. :huh:

[Saint-Just]

http://www.ernesto-guevara.com/forums/inde...st=0&#entry7748 (http://www.ernesto-guevara.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1065&st=0&#entry7748)

Albania Life November 1970, this isn't too bad to look at to see the kind of ideas and way of life they had in Albania.

[Louis Pio]

My mom and dad went to Albania back in the 70'ies.
When we saw some pictures in tv from there when their was uprisings in the 90'ies my father could see alot of the factories he had been to. Now they were just abandoned.
Now in my oppinion there must be something wrong with the system if it can just crumble like that, I know Chairman Mao would probably blame it on the mythical revisionism, but I think that's just to easy.
If Albania was indeed the "lighthouse of socialism" as all the sects proclaimed it back then, why did it crumble so fast and easy?