The Guevara charm?

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

Being a Cuban my self I have never quite understood why people who were not form south America or Africa have such passionate love for “El commandant” . No I do understand why people love Che on the basic level because he was a great leader. but maybe some one can answer my question why did the Guevara charm affect you so deeply ?

[Hate Is Art]

Whats the creast of arms from? ;)

It's mainly because of his revolutionary spirit and the way he fought for Communism, he also oozed Charisma and Charm. He was very dashing and handsome which have led to people admiring him.

In this case he is so much more then a pretty face!

[sim22]

im not sure what it is about Che, he's just so great, he did all this for a country that isnt his own, he gave up his career as a doctor to help the people of Cuba, he showed such great determination, and bravery, not to mention he's so gorgeous, he is the symbol of freedom, of peoples own rights, i know people say "oh, people wear his face on T-shirts and they dont know more than they read in an article or something" but you dont have to be a communitist to love che, he doesnt just stand for that, the reason he became so popular for younger people is because he represents standing up against something, for having the guts to do something great, he stands for much more than just communitism!! and did i mention he's really really hot?? :D

[Ortega]

I suppose that it's the whole "romantic revolutionary" spirit. That really draws people in, whether it's Che, Marcos, or Lenin they're swooning over.

Rabbit, are you living in Cuba now?

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

Originally posted by Jacobo [email protected] 12 2004, 03:05 PM
I suppose that it's the whole "romantic revolutionary" spirit. That really draws people in, whether it's Che, Marcos, or Lenin they're swooning over.

Rabbit, are you living in Cuba now?
i'm in toronto right now and i'm goign to move to cuba to go to univercity

[fernando]

haha I spoke to some Americans about that...they got angry with me...Im a "worshipper of a terrorist" now...a "common terrorist and failed revolutionairy"..oh yah capitalism helps the poor countries get richer :rolleyes:

[pandora]

I don't know, in a sense he lived as a Gemini although he was really Taurus, I'm Gemini and I see that showman nature in him, but also that gentleness, despite the charm, ala Marilyn who was also a Gemini.
Gemini's tend to have very public personas, but tend to be very private people with their relationships, which makes people intimate too them to feel very special.

Chrisma is a subtle thing though, some leaders have it some don't, through history, jealousy has led those with it to be murdered, or martyred in this case.
Very sad.

Guevara was a bit of a young hot head in youth, but when he grew and matured his depth was shocking. A culmination of experiences including his asthma caused isolation which caused his reflexive practice to grow, so that when he spoke with others they thought he had considered them deeply. In truth he was another human who sometimes made mistakes in his judgement and hurt others as a result, until he realized how deeply his comments effected people.

I think his beauty comes out of a good heart, those who were closest too him understood his flaws and beauty most deep.

I think talking about one nation over another is meaningless, as Paulo Freire the great Brazilian educator once noticed, poverty is its own nationality in the global market place.

I just served members of all the world's factory represenatives, these people were so spoiled they refused champagne during a toast, as it was probably insufficient quality. There were reps from Brazil, Korea, Malaysia, etc. and these were the middle class, factory reps, not the head honchos, and would not look at my face when i took their plates!

They were as American as I should be, but I'm not, poverty forces a difference

[che's long lost daughter]

It would be not right to say that the reason why the "Guevara Charm" has struck me so much is that I see myself doing the same thing as Che did. That would be Delusion of Grandeur. I cannot see any other person ever born or yet to be born who would be able to accomplish what Che has. Although all of us here may think that we would be like Che. One can never be really like him. Anyhow, my reason is the same as everybody else's here. We all know that Che did something worth our admiration and we feel like he wasn't able to finish it. With what he has done, we feel inspired to finish what he hasn't in our own ways. And although we can never be as great as Che, we did what we can to let his spirit live on.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 12 2004, 07:37 PM
It would be not right to say that the reason why the "Guevara Charm" has struck me so much is that I see myself doing the same thing as Che did. That would be Delusion of Grandeur. I cannot see any other person ever born or yet to be born who would be able to accomplish what Che has.

We all know that Che did something worth our admiration and we feel like he wasn't able to finish it. With what he has done, we feel inspired to finish what he hasn't in our own ways. And although we can never be as great as Che, we did what we can to let his spirit live on.
Che was a failure.If anything, we all should be wearing shirts with pictures of great leaders such as Simon Bolivar.

Admiration?Like I said Che was a failure.Long live Simon Bolivar.

[fernando]

But ok...to a certain extend you could call Jesus a failure too...but he too is worshipped..and on a far greater scale

[Colombia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 03:37 PM
But ok...to a certain extend you could call Jesus a failure too...but he too is worshipped..and on a far greater scale
Best not to bring religion into this but...

Jesus was beleived to be God.Ernesto Guevara was just another human like us.With wants and needs and he couldn't exactly heal people.

[All My Stitches Itch]

I am one of those awful people who bought the merchandise. :(

HOWEVER . . . i wanted to know why this guy was on t-shirts, mugs, shot glasses and ashtrays so i reasearched him.

After a lot of arguments with people over him being and accidental hero ( :angry: ) i admire him for being the man he was. he could of sat on the sidelines and do nothing and blame his (often crippling) asthma . . . but he didnt. he got up and DID something. He stuck up for the little guy. for working 18-20 hours a day as well as volunteer work. he was a leader but also he stayed on the ground and was loved by all of his descamisados because he lived like one of them. he didnt have an easy ride and he came out on top . . . well sort of.

:lol: HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!! EL CHE VIVE!! :)

P.S

In a letter to his mother (i think) che said somthing like
"I am not a christ, i am the complete opposite of a christ. i intend to kill the other man so that i dont end up nailed to a cross or anywhere else."

[All My Stitches Itch]

:D and yes, there is some charm and charisma in there too.

[_asdf]

Che was a man who ACUTUALLY cared for the people he fought for. He did not lead revolutions for power. He did not seek to be the richest dictator in the world. Che simply wanted to make the world a better place. Whether or not he was succesful is insignificant. The fact that he was willing to die for those who he could have disregarded as peasants shows that he is a man to be admired... that's why I admire him anyway.

[_asdf]

Sorry, I spelled ACTUALLY wrong

[Kurai Tsuki]

I like Guevara because he had a weakness (I'm not going to insult your knowledge by pointing it out) but he managed to overcome it.

I also like how he devoted so much time to reading and study before he became an anti-imperialist, unlike many of the people who join this forum not even knowing who he is. He asked the youth to study and learn, and asked the adults to be productive, and he was willing to do no less himself; he never asked anyone to do anything he was not willing to do himself.

He knew the importance of revolutionary war and could distinguish it from what should happen after the war,


We've won the war, the revolution begins now.

And he put the truth before any type of political attatchment, being critical of the 'states and eventually the USSR.

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 03:34 PM
Che was a failure.If anything, we all should be wearing shirts with pictures of great leaders such as Simon Bolivar.

Admiration?Like I said Che was a failure.Long live Simon Bolivar.
If he was a failure, why then are so many people following his example.

Ok let's say he was not able to complete his "mission" but we cannot call him a failure. Success is not measured in terms of what goals you have accomplished. It is in how much you have given to be able to reach those goals. And Che gave all of what he had, even his life.

[fernando]

The Yankees like to call him a failure to let their people see that they dont have to be afraid, they just try to calm everything down by saying such things...

They should be afraid though...Latin America will stand up against US Imperialism one day, and then we will be liberated from their tentacles which are choking our lands.

[Colombia]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 29 2004, 03:01 PM
If he was a failure, why then are so many people following his example.

Ok let's say he was not able to complete his "mission" but we cannot call him a failure. Success is not measured in terms of what goals you have accomplished. It is in how much you have given to be able to reach those goals. And Che gave all of what he had, even his life.
There are not a lot of people following his example.Every communist I have talked to in the US and Colombia try not to be like him.

[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 01:41 AM
There are not a lot of people following his example.Every communist I have talked to in the US and Colombia try not to be like him.
Tell me how many are these people you are talking about and compare them with the number of the members here

[Kurai Tsuki]

Che was one of those people who could speak the truth in a way that was so blunt it would scare many people. Speaking the truth about the United States made the American government loath him, and speaking the truth about the USSR made communists want to distance themselves from him. This isolation played a big part in his downfall, he was the least conformed of those around him and that made many uncomfortable, as you can see in this picture of him on his return to Cuba after critisizing the USSR.

http://friends.bbb.ch/fuechi/che/che14.jpg

[Kurai Tsuki]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 11:34 AM
Long live Simon Bolivar.
Simon Bolivar tried to write a consitiution for Bolivia that would allow a president to keep his position for life <_< Sounds a bit like a secular type of person.