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I know all of the votes haven't been counted properly, but I heard on the news that in Britain the Tories have won the elction, with the Lib Dems second, and "Labour" third with only 26% of the vote!
What I want to know is do you guys think that this is a good thing or not?
No-one expected "Labour" to do this badly, so maybe they'll get rid of Phoney Tony? :unsure:
(That's what I'm hoping!)
RedAnarchist
11th June 2004, 09:06
Last night's results were from the Local elections, for council seats.
As only the United Kingdom and the Netherlands have voted so far in the EU elections, we will have to wait until Sunday night for those results.
Intifada
11th June 2004, 09:19
one thing is for sure, the result is a kick up the ass for blair.
its funny, coz they say its the worst result in living memory.
Many of us have argued how Foots Labour Party was good, only for capitalist apologists to say "votes dont want socialism, look at '83 election", well, this is worse than that!
So either third way and Blair doesnt work, OR Socialism does, either way im happy man
Hate Is Art
11th June 2004, 11:54
Fucking tories!!! GRRRR!!! If they win the General Election I'll be really pissed off!
Fucking tories!!! GRRRR!!! If they win the General Election I'll be really pissed off!
You, me and the whole country. I'd fucking scream if that happened!
Maybe this will persuade "Labour" to turn back to the left?
Or maybe they'll decide to turn further to the right?
Someone give us a decent party to vote for!
VincentValentine
11th June 2004, 14:21
Local election results
COUNCILLORS COUNCILS
PARTY GAIN LOSE TOTAL GAIN LOSE CONTROL
CON 222 34 1023 11 0 40
LAB 20 348 1355 3 11 24
LD 182 74 852 2 4 8
PC 14 6 98 0 0 1
RA 11 3 28 0 0 1
GRN 8 1 13 0 0 0
LIB 0 1 5 0 0 0
UKIP 2 0 2 0 0 0
BNP 0 3 2 0 0 0
IKHH 0 0 0 0 0 0
OTH 45 65 316 0 1 3
NOC 0 0 0 12 12 44
AFTER 120 OF 166 COUNCILS DECLARED
*NOC means No Overall Control
Is RA RESPECT?
Funky Monk
11th June 2004, 14:38
I garuntee that this wont be an indication of the generals, id be prepared to stake my life on the fact tha a large number of Labour suppoorters will see the councils as an opportunity to demonstrate their distrust of Blair but will back the Labour party in the Generals.
Misodoctakleidist
11th June 2004, 15:30
Blunkett said something about labour needing to to invest more in things like health care and public transport to win over voters before the general election so perhaps they will move leftwards even if just slightly.
monkeydust
11th June 2004, 17:09
The European election results come out on Sunday.
As for the local ones, supposedly the conservatives came first, followed by Liberal Democrats and Labour.
UKIP made gains, as did the green party.
The BNP increased its share of the vote but lost seats, due to the nature of the plurality system.
AC-Socialist
12th June 2004, 14:16
In Preston RESPECT got 30% of the vote coming second to labour! In east london constituencies 15% was the norm, winning 16% in Enfield and HArringay and beating the LD's there. In the mayoral race, our candidate came 5th BEOFRE the Greens and the BNP. Great news, we couldnt possibly have thought wed do this well for a 5 month old party, esspecially in the way we managed to steal a great number of labour and green votes and help to hold off the facists!!! And it hasent quite ended yet....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
-Robert Killroy-Silk is my MEP!
http://www.thenyoudiscover.com/weblog/archives/wrist.jpg
James
14th June 2004, 15:05
is one of your MEPs...
Same difference!
How could anyone have voted for him?
James
14th June 2004, 16:37
they didn't as much vote for him, but rather, voted for the cause. Alot of people dislike the EU.
I find it more unbelievable that (few, admitably) people actually voted for Galloways party!
Socialsmo o Muerte
14th June 2004, 18:00
Dissaffected Labour and Tory voters are looking towards partys with boisterous policy and bold speaking leaders to vote for as a protest. As it turns out, that protest has gone a step further and UKIP have got a stunning victory despite all the bad press Kilroy-Silk got recently.
Although they didn't get an MEP seat, the BNP did get a worrying 3.9% increase in votes. This is proving that people are more willing than ever to vote for these parties outside of the main three, and they're mainly going right. However throughout Europe, there has been quite a good bit of voting for the "socialist sector" of parties. I put that in speech marks because I learnt last night that our Labour party is included in this section of the European Parliament! How funny.
The increased number of "Eurosceptic" seats taken in the European Parliament is indicative of the UK's distrust of the European Union.
However, the reports about the 16% achieved by UKIP has proved a smokescreen for what is the real important story. The Conservative party getting 26.7% against Labour's 22.6% and the Lib Dem's dismal 14.9% is showing that the danger of a Tory government coming to power is a very significant one.
Indeed, if there was a General Election today, the Tories would probably come to power. There isn't one today, but there'll probably be one in the next 12 months. How much can change against the Tories in that space of time?
Originally posted by Socialsmo o
[email protected] 14 2004, 06:00 PM
Indeed, if there was a General Election today, the Tories would probably come to power. There isn't one today, but there'll probably be one in the next 12 months. How much can change against the Tories in that space of time?
Thats just bollocks, what kind of logic did u use for that?
Did you take into account the protest vote?
Did you take into account the Labour Vote Strike? (Ie working class people either voting labour or not voting at all)
Did you take into account the single issue nature (debatable) of this EU vote?
Did you take into account of the fact more people care about General Election than EU election?
Socialsmo o Muerte
14th June 2004, 19:33
Do more people really care about a general election? I hear the turnout at this Euro election in the UK was somewhere between 46% and 47%. Recent reports on the 2001 election declare the turnout was as low as 53%, lower than the figure of between 58% and 59% that was declared at the time. Is that really a huge difference?
Ok, so more people will probably turnout for the general election, but not that many more. And even then, Tory voters whose protest voted for UKIP are unlikely to do so again because, as you put it, the General Election is more cared about and people are less likely to protest vote in such circumstances. As for Labour voters whose vote for UKIP was a protest one, will 12 months make much difference? Can you honestly see Labour even slightly gaining more popularity in that time with Iraq set to explode, the oil price situation being precarious and also with the bandwaggon jumpers who will see the kicking Labour took from the Tories in these two elections.
As for this Labour Voting Strike you talk of... Will this be different in a General Election? The working class are even more disaffected by Labour than ever so are less likely to vote for them in the general election anyway. It will work just the same as the euro vote. I don't think it will be like the Thatcher election when many of the working class turned to the Tories, however some probably will due to the Tories' promises about the NHS and education. Rather, they will just not bother to vote or protest vote for UKIP, BNP or the Nationalists in Wales and Scotland. Thus paving way for the Conservatives.
Of course, one of the reasons for UKIP's popularity is due to single issue voting. I agree with you on that, but I think that many of those voters will swing back to their natural vote for the General Election which anyway was Conservative.
I hope that answers your questions.
Socialsmo o Muerte
14th June 2004, 19:36
Do more people really care about a general election? I hear the turnout at this Euro election in the UK was somewhere between 46% and 47%. Recent reports on the 2001 election declare the turnout was as low as 53%, lower than the figure of between 58% and 59% that was declared at the time. Is that really a huge difference?
Ok, so more people will probably turnout for the general election, but not that many more. And even then, Tory voters whose protest voted for UKIP are unlikely to do so again because, as you put it, the General Election is more cared about and people are less likely to protest vote in such circumstances. As for Labour voters whose vote for UKIP was a protest one, will 12 months make much difference? Can you honestly see Labour even slightly gaining more popularity in that time with Iraq set to explode, the oil price situation being precarious and also with the bandwaggon jumpers who will see the kicking Labour took from the Tories in these two elections.
As for this Labour Voting Strike you talk of... Will this be different in a General Election? The working class are even more disaffected by Labour than ever so are less likely to vote for them in the general election anyway. It will work just the same as the euro vote. I don't think it will be like the Thatcher election when many of the working class turned to the Tories, however some probably will due to the Tories' promises about the NHS and education. Rather, they will just not bother to vote or protest vote for UKIP, BNP or the Nationalists in Wales and Scotland. Thus paving way for the Conservatives.
Of course, one of the reasons for UKIP's popularity is due to single issue voting. I agree with you on that, but I think that many of those voters will swing back to their natural vote for the General Election which anyway was Conservative.
I hope that answers your questions.
Invader Zim
14th June 2004, 19:40
Who cares? labour = conservative
They are one and the same.
RedAnarchist
14th June 2004, 19:43
Here in the North West we haev 3 Cons, 3 Labour, 2 Lib Dems and 1 ukip scum
if you think conservatives and labour are the same, then you really do have the understanding of a 5 year old.
now piss off and shout some slogans while u distance yourself from the masses, muppet
James
14th June 2004, 22:05
ukip are scum; but lib dems, lab and tories arn't? lol
Socialsmo o Muerte
15th June 2004, 05:09
While I won't echo Kez's personal insults, I will echo his sentiments.
Enigma, it is far too easy and simplistic for people to say Labour are the same as the Tories. They are quite clearly not. Labour's ideology has become more like the Tories', however they still differ on key issues, mainly in forgein policy i.e. Iraq and the Middle East, Europe. Also, many domestic policies are different with the Tories shifting a little further to the right.
Too many people latch onto the whole "Labour and Tories are the same now" idea and it is bullshit and those who believe it and say it are either tragically misled and uneducated or jusy ignorant.
More to the point, it's good to see Kez hasn't spurted some personal insults towards me after my reply to his post.
Louis Pio
15th June 2004, 10:18
Did RESPECT get any candidates elected?
And if, was it their rightwing candidates or the more socialist? As far as I heard they removed some of their socialists and replaced them with their rightwing "comrades"
Louis Pio
15th June 2004, 10:22
Btw here in Denmark the Social Democrats went from 3 MEP's to 5 MEP's.
The governing party Venstre (who are the liberals) went from 5 to 3 MEP's.
The people's movement against the EU kept their 1 seat and the Junemovement (also euroskeptic) went from 3 til 1.
All the media and politicians have been quick to call this a historic defeat for the euroskeptics.
Also the Socialist People's Party got one candidate, but instead of a euroskeptic one they now have a proeu one, she's a former priest and a total jerk :(
Postteen
15th June 2004, 13:28
here,our communistic party got 9.5%!!!!It's very funny because as i had said it was totally aganst the european union!I'm sooo happy!! :D
Louis Pio
15th June 2004, 14:27
Ok I cheked the RESPECT result and it's a disaster for them.
They archived nothing near the pompous results they were talking about before the election and still the SWP leaership tries to portray it as a victory :rolleyes:
here,our communistic party got 9.5%!!!!It's very funny because as i had said it was totally aganst the european union!I'm sooo happy!!
Man I wish I lived in your country!
On the Labour = Conservative debate: Policy-wise Labour and conservative leaders pretty much think the same.
When it comes to the members though, it is totally different. People like Kez are part of the labour party. What the members want is good.
The Tory members however tend to be fat, white, and middle-upper class (sweeping generalisation, but you get the picture!). They are all selfish-minded, and tend to be euro-sceptic.
It just shows that there is no democracy, on either side. Tory members don't get what they want (thank god!), but neither do labour.
They all seem to be more interested in PR than actual real policy.
James
15th June 2004, 16:12
In the Czech Republic (anyone from there?), the communist party came second. Beating the incumbent government.
My humble opinion;
It is a popular opinion that the european elections were anti incumbent government. It makes sense i suppose, but does seem at the same time, rather dangerous.
The european union really does need to reach the people properly. We all need to know what power it has - what it does - how it does it - what this means for "us" - how much it costs - what the benifits are; and most importantly: they need to be honest with the bad aspects.
It seems at the moment that no one really has a clue. Thus each party (or rather, each different view of the EU) claims it is "right" and gives questionable "statistics" in support of its case.
Socialsmo o Muerte
15th June 2004, 16:32
As for Respect, I don't know why anyone bothered voting for them. I was amazed when our Communist Parties encouraged us to vote for such an idiotic reactionary bunch of "leaders". They deserved no more than the mere 1.5% they got.
h&sforever, I think you are also being too simplistic about the Labour/Tory argument. To say that Labour members want good things is also way too easy. Every party has its "rebels". The Conservatives have backbenchers who are considered just as "left-wing" as many of the Labour "rebels" who came into the spotlight recently. Yes, I would agree that many Labour members are still of the "old" Labour belief and they do have more "leftist" members, but not all Tories are fatcats. I think you'll find in recent years that the demographics of Party memebers as well as MP's have become very similar due largely to the Parties' realisation that they need to target a much more diverse group of people. It may be all for show, but they are still facts.
I think what Che-Lives needs is a full analysis of the Labour Party, and what it really is, non-of this ultra-left secterian nonsense.
James
16th June 2004, 07:11
whey!
You're like me now. You tory boy you...
Tory Boy?
Fuck you on about?
James
16th June 2004, 16:25
lol, you are no longer a commie. Thus you must be a conservative.
Sorry - its just me being bitter :D
by calling for a full analysis of the Labour Party, im not a communist? I think youve drank a few too many Pimms kidda.
Funky Monk
16th June 2004, 22:03
I think that was a sarcastic remark highlighting the growing insistence that all members who do not display an ultra-left ideology are not leftists
Its just James joking about how he is called a tory, and being sarcastic about it.
James
17th June 2004, 09:12
You are all partly right. But i was actually refering to how you are no longer a commie club boy (or at least - it doesn't say so).
please ignore
DaCuBaN
17th June 2004, 09:14
you are no longer a commie club boy
:blink:
I missed that... when'd you leave/get booted?
When bellends in the Admin starting shitting their pants when they got critisized. Fuck em, fuck the CC too,if they find security in patting each others backs, so be it...
Anyway, as soon as i finish these fuckin exams i'll start a good thread which will end this bollocks about what the Labour Party REALLY is.
DaCuBaN
17th June 2004, 10:21
what the Labour Party REALLY is
Yet another 'old boys club' with the pretence of allying with the unions to pacify the working class
In effect, they're sneaky tories.
You know my opinion of political organisations in this way anyway, so I'll avoid reiterating, but Labour have lost any credibility they ever had - and even that was very little. Good riddance to them, the tories, the whigs and all other political parties - we don't fucking need them!
I'd much rather have old Labour than any form of rule we have at the moment.
If it wasn't for Labour we wouldn't have such things like the NHS.
My Grandfather is an ex old Labour polititian, and if people like him ruled this country it would be much better than it is now.
Theres loads still about.
Near me there is a factory closure of 1100 workers
http://iccheshireonline.icnetwork.co.uk/01...ll&siteid=50020 (http://iccheshireonline.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/southcheshirechronicles/page.cfm?objectid=14337552&method=full&siteid=50020)
Obviously we must fight the labour aristocracy, not let them piss on the workers.
Now we have a choice, we fuck around on the fringe in ultra-left parties calling ourselves the mass workers party (with around 40 members) or we enter the workers party and direct the workers to revolution.
As for no need for a party, dear me...
James
17th June 2004, 15:13
i'm with kamo on this.
Making more and more parties does nothing productive.
the difference between myself and James however is that i do not believe in parliamentary cretinism,in that we dont make it a fetish to prance about in Parliament.
However, we must work inside the traditional mass organisation of the working class, the Labour Party
James
17th June 2004, 15:33
lol!
And what does that mean?
I certainly do not prance about in parilament (or have a fetish to do so)!
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