Communism in America

[Orange Juche]

Is America becoming Marxist-Leninist a reality within the next 100 years, in your opinion? If so, how will it be achieved?

[Comrade Marcel]

Disciplin, unity, struggle, taking the mass line, and building a revolutionary party that represents the working class.

[DarkCommunist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 04:32 AM
Is America becoming Marxist-Leninist a reality within the next 100 years, in your opinion? If so, how will it be achieved?
Depends, If global capitalism fails with in that time then it is possible. But the revolution must come from outside America. The rest of the world must stand up against the American Corporate Hegemony. The problem with American Capitalism is that as hollow as it is, it has a powerful protector in the American Military Complex.

The essential question then becomes are you an optimist or a pessimist? If you are optimistic then you believe the world can rise to this challenge ignore American double speak when it comes to “Terrorism” and take on the real threat. If you are a Pessimist, all is lost because the world is too weak and frightened by American domination to act, and we will have to wait for American Capitalism to collapse, which might take 200 years, or until they run out of oil.

[Guerrilla22]

I personally don't think that America will ever become anything than a capitalist' haven. In order to implimate such a political/economic system the conditions need to be right. The majority of Americans are too comfortable with their cushy little lives; working their 9-5 office jobs and driving their kids to soccer games in their SUVS.

[DarkCommunist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 03:34 PM
I personally don't think that America will ever become anything than a capitalist' haven. In order to implimate such a political/economic system the conditions need to be right. The majority of Americans are too comfortable with their cushy little lives; working their 9-5 office jobs and driving their kids to soccer games in their SUVS.
That is just a facade it will collapse as all capitalist systems are destined too. The question is when and how?

[Guerrilla22]

Yes, but in order for any kind of revolution to take place the conditions need to be right and I can't see America getting to the stage where the people are ready to rise up against the governmnet. If anything America is moving towards becoming a theocracy or a fascist state.

[Comrade Latino]

I don't think it would happen unless a president screws up big time and american realise that communism is the way. I think it is because most americans hate communism. Hate is brought by fear to what you don't now and fear comes from ignorance. No offence to my american comrades but most, BUT NOT ALL, american are ignorant in some way.

[Pawn Power]

in the next hundred years.....well i hope :lol: , it is inevitable that society will evolve into communism but in a hundred years is tough to say, maybe we will be in the socialism stage ;)

[DarkCommunist]

Originally posted by Guerrilla22+--> (Guerrilla22)If anything America is moving towards becoming a theocracy or a fascist state[/b]

Moving towards? Capitalism is fascism there for if you looking for the people to take up arms and over through the government its not going to happen. Its like expecting the Jews to have taken up arms and over through the Nazi's.


Originally posted by Comrade [email protected]
I don't think it would happen unless a president screws up big time...

How could he screw up any more? or any bigger?


glory
it is inevitable that society will evolve into communism but in a hundred years is tough to say, maybe we will be in the socialism stage

America will never "evolve" to socialism because the decline of profits for American corporations would be too great, the would not tolerate that and would use the police and military power to enforce their dominance. Because of this the only way America will change is from a complete collapse from within (unlikely in 100 years time) or from the collapse of the global capitalist economy leaving American companies with out their precious over seas markets to sell too and derive cheap labor from. This is possible within a 100 years so I believe the most prudent form of action for a communist is to prevent the globalization of the rest of the world and work on the European countries (excluding the British who are just as fascist as the US).

[DaCuBaN]

I believe the most prudent form of action for a communist is to prevent the globalization of the rest of the world

I'm still unsure about this point. Sure, those who seek globalisation don't have the same goal as us, but could we not hijack it to suit our goals? It would surely be a strong influence to unite the working class on a global basis, and as the example of the British Empire clearly shows, no one can control everything - surely this means globalisation in this manner is doomed to failure?

We could possibly use this to our benefit.

[fuerzasocialista]

The only way communism would flourish would be by the fall of domestic and global capitalism. I don't think that would happen in the next hundred years or so. Fascism has taken a strong hold on the U$ and there are a lot of shmoes that actually buy into the "Home of the Brave, Land of the Free" mentality.

[DarkCommunist]

Originally posted by DarkCommunist

I'm still unsure about this point. Sure, those who seek globalisation don't have the same goal as us, but could we not hijack it to suit our goals? It would surely be a strong influence to unite the working class on a global basis, and as the example of the British Empire clearly shows, no one can control everything - surely this means globalisation in this manner is doomed to failure?

We could possibly use this to our benefit.

Globalization is simply the expansion of capitalism; I’m not sure how it can be hijacked. Allowing corporations access to more markets only allows them to exploit more people and steal more recourses. This must be stopped, and our comrades around the world are working to stop it. Look at Venezuela, what is going on there is essentially a beleaguered and sovereign leader attempting to maintain his nations independence in the face of brutal a CIA/Corporate coup d'état attempt.


Fortunately you are correct in stating that Globalization is doomed to fail, the problem if it spreads it will temporarily strengthen the American military industrial complex, delaying the collapse of capitalism for what could be another 200 years; can we afford this?

[Comrade Latino]

How could he screw up any more? or any bigger?
I won't argue that bu$h is screwing up big time with the economy and the war and everyhting but there are other ways to screw up even more. For example if all of a sudden Iraqui rebels started to take back the country and driving american forces back. If that happened half of the american people that are pro-war would realize that bu$h is a moron(if they haven't yet)

PS: Sorry for my worst English.

[Moveable Feast]

Pure communism died long ago. Furthermore, it would never be achieved in the US, frankly because the people with power are well read in the literature of the Randian Philosophy and know that Marx's grand idea was never meant to be. Communism suffocates the individual. Who wants to be a member of a collectivist society that has already failed before and seen the death of millions? Not I.

[Comrade Latino]

Who wants to be a member of a collectivist society that has already failed before and seen the death of millions?
All I'm going to say to you is that you can not predict what will happen in the future just by looking at the past. If people are smart enough they have learned about the bad thing that Communism did and when the revolution comes we will create a communist world but we will not make the same mistakes our forefathers have done.

[fuerzasocialista]

Pure communism died long ago. Furthermore, it would never be achieved in the US, frankly because the people with power are well read in the literature of the Randian Philosophy and know that Marx's grand idea was never meant to be. Communism suffocates the individual. Who wants to be a member of a collectivist society that has already failed before and seen the death of millions? Not I.

Was never meant to be true? No one is qualified to say whether Marxism was meant to be or not no matter how much power they may have. Communism is a liberation of the individual, obviously you haven't done the proper reading. I understand that because the Soviets and Chinese fucked up the way they did that misinformed indiividuals who have not done any research or are extremely partial to Capitalists philosophy can deduce that Communism is a frank violation of Human Rights. Let's face it, they did not set a any kind of a positive example or an accurate portrayal of Marxist philosophy after Lenin died yet they professed to continue in his footsteps. As far as Randian philosophy goes, there is no smoking gun tenet of Objectivism that sets it apart form any other philosophy. In other words, by you saying that "people with power are well read in the literature of the Randian Philosophy and know that Marx's grand idea was never meant to be" only shows me that you have shit for brains and don't know what the fuck your talking about.

That being said, someone restrict this jack-off so he can't post on this sub-forum anymore.

[h&s]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 04:32 AM
Is America becoming Marxist-Leninist a reality within the next 100 years, in your opinion? If so, how will it be achieved?
It all depends on when the U$ empire collapses, and whether you are organised and ready for it when it does.



in the US... ...the people with power are well read
God, thats a joke! :D

[socialistfuture]

The way i see it America will not fundamentally change in the near future. The corporate lords of neoliberalism will not step down from their 'god given' duties, heridetary rights and power.

Oil will run out, more countries will be invaded, more war, more rights taken away, more enviromental damage, things will get a lot worse before they get better. On the other hand Iraq will not bow down, neither will Venezuela, Cuba, the international anti war movement which is turning into a massive anti-imperialist/capitalist grouping.

The war on terrorism is being called WW4 by some (WW3 being the cold war) and the war on terrorism is in the early stages - Afghanistan and Iraq being the first victims. you can gurantee there will be more in the next couple of years.

Basically I dont believe the bastion of capitalism will allow marxism into their belief system. but slowly it is being shown that capitalism will cause war after war, that poverty is a byproduct of the profit driven system, that power must be taken back by ANY MEANS if governments will not obey their people (or who ever is in power).

Eventually America will have to change - it could go ultra facist of swing to the left.

[Yazman]

Nothing lasts forever, though I do believe it will take a long time for the US to become socialist (and then finally communist after transition).

Capitalism just creates a state of permanent war and conflict, as socialistfuture hinted at:


slowly it is being shown that capitalism will cause war after war

I don't believe it will last forever though, as nothing ever does.

[Gunman]

I think that an revolution will occur within a few years, but im not sure wich kind of politics will America follow

[__ca va?]

I'm afraid that America will never evolve communist because it is dominated by corporations which won't let a peaceful change to socialism. Even if a strong workers' party was made it wouldn't do any difference. Also the middle class is too strong, and full of burgeoises. Socialism itself is not widespread enough, and there are not enough proletarians.


the world can rise to this challenge ignore American double speak when it comes to “Terrorism” and take on the real threat

Sorry to say, but it's not the world's duty but the American people's to overthrow the American government.


the revolution must come from outside America

The revolution is not a thing to be 'imported" ! It's not the others' but the americans' who must lead this revolution!

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 07:20 PM
I think that an revolution will occur within a few years, but im not sure wich kind of politics will America follow
What do you meen when you say a "few years"? :blink:

[VukBZ2005]

America will not become communist, Unless Secession Occurs... i would elaborate on that if someone asks.

[Comrade Latino]

America will not become communist, Unless Secession Occurs
Would you mind explaining that, please.