Homosexuals in Socialist Societies

[Orange Juche]

What has historically been the stance of socialist nations on homosexuality/homosexual couples.?

[Hate Is Art]

I reckon remember there was abit of controversy of treated of Gay's in Cuba. TAT posted something about, a closing down of a gay magazine or something. I can't remember the exact details.

I'm unsure of any specifics of it in the CCCP and i'd imagine the DRPK is pretty repressive, I have no hard evidence though, i'm just being judgmental!

[elijahcraig]

I know in Cuba that homosexuals were persecuted in the beginning, but that treatment has been more progressive now.

In USSR under Stalin and Lenin, I think homosexuality was always outlawed, and persecuted.


Take note that the stances of the state on these issues usually reflect the opinions of the population, and not the "dictator" Lenin or Castro's persecution.

[apathy maybe]

Hey if it doen't hurt the general population they should have any say in the matter.

In the past homosexuality has been outlawed in many places (in England it was only male homosexuality, understand that! (and it was Queen Vic who did the outlawing not a male, there is also no evidence to suggest that Vic was a homosexual)). The reasons have generally only been that it is some how 'immoral'.

Morals and socialism can work, if only because socialism is an economic system (which is why you can have dictators ruling a socialist state). In western countries that have some pretence (or have had) of being socialist, such as Australia, depending on the Government depends on how homosexuality is treated. (The blasted Govt. if outlawing homosexual marrige at a federal level, with the support of the "Opposition".)

[elijahcraig]

But under socialism, communism, anarchism--the general population IS the government.

[Vladimir I. Kropotkin]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 11 2004, 07:42 AM
In western countries that have some pretence (or have had) of being socialist, such as Australia, depending on the Government depends on how homosexuality is treated.
When did Australia have 'some pretence' of being socialist?

[apathy maybe]

Australia had the first Labour government anywhere (1910 I think). Also after WW2 they tried (The Labor Party) to nationalise a lot of things. And yes the Labour party is the UK used to be socialist as well.

[Vladimir I. Kropotkin]

Wow, they had a labour government. You realise the so-called "Labour" party were the leading proponents of the White Australia Policy right? and that they did absolutely ZERO for anyone who wasnt in work, nothing for the poor or the unemployed (usually one and the same). The Labour party just like all of the other parties at this time were thoroughly RACIST, the Labour party particularly, as it was built on a foundation of anti-Asian and "coloured" labour, they played up all the "yellow peril" rhetoric and their immigration minister and later leader with, "two wongs dont make a white". The ALP have NEVER and will NEVER be a socialist party, to assert so is ahistorical and completely at odds with what "socialism" is purported to be about, nationalisation doesnt mean socialism, otherwise there'd be alot more third-world despots in the "socialist" camp.

[antieverything]

But under socialism, communism, anarchism--the general population IS the government.
Oh, elijahcraig...always the joker.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 08:32 PM
Oh, elijahcraig...always the joker.
Why do you think it's called the "dictatorship of the proletariat"?

Because it's a society run by the general population. If it isn't, then it ain't socialism, let alone communism.

[Pawn Power]

well, some communist parties belive in stonge families, with the whole get married and have children thing, so homosexualites (not being able to reproduce and all) was looked down apon. But i think in recent times it has became more accepted.

i could be mislead

[Pawn Power]

any other knowledgable communists know anything about this subject

*bumb*

[Daymare17]

I sincerely hope nobody believes a word of what Elijahcraig says. He is either a filthy liar or a totally misguided fanatic (most probably a combination). It's true that during and after the Stalinist political counter-revolution, homosexuality was persecuted in the USSR. This went along with the well-known pathological semi-pogroms against Jews (the "Doctors' Plot"), entire nations being deported to Siberia and so on, as well as the most extreme terror ever directed against the working class of any nation. Stalinist leaders in other countries, including Mao and Castro, took up this disgraceful practice after the "Great Leader and Teacher". In Lenin's and Trotsky's day, even mention of homosexuals being "inferior" was unheard of. It was the standard ideological poison of White reaction. Stalinism reintroduced this barbarism just like it reintroduced the cult of the petty bourgeois family, an officer caste in the Red army, privileges and perks for officials, and countless other features of the old regime.

Research shows that 1 in 10 of the world population is homosexual. Needless to say, a sexual norm which only fits 90 per cent of the population (and much less, if you count all the other "deviations") is not fit to be a "sexual norm" at all. Marxists have always advocated the unity of the working class spanning cultural, national, religious, racial, sexual borders. We are all brothers and our enemies are the capitalists of all colors, nations etc. Only the Stalinists could seek to introduce the old chauvinist filth into Marxism.