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praxis1966
9th June 2004, 04:54
While I realize that there have already been a couple of threads on the matter of the U$ government reinstating the draft, this is the most substantive information I have seen on the topic as of yet. It was sent to me by a fellow leftist and contains an excerpt from an MSN article as well as sources. All of the hyperlinks work, so feel free to check the research. In the meantime, be afraid, be very afraid as the new draft legislation applies to women as well.

Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
The Draft will Start in June 2005

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html (http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html) to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [a! ge 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.


College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academ! ic year.

Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft.

The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision.

Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!

Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and contact newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.


HR163 - http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr163.html (http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr163.html)

S89 - http://www.duckdaotsu.org/s89.html (http://www.duckdaotsu.org/s89.html)

Hate Is Art
9th June 2004, 07:25
If anyone wants to leave the country and come live with me your welcome!!

Bush and Rummy really are incredibly irritating!

fuerzasocialista
9th June 2004, 07:33
Well, I'm turning 27 in a couple of weeks so I guess I'm out of the target zone. But still, this is complete bullshit. Going to do the Europe thing or going back home to the Caribbean (as fucked up as home is right now) might be the best thing to do for me.

The idealist
9th June 2004, 11:18
My door is always open to anyone fleeing a draft (and woe be him who claims that I do not keep my word).

Fighting a ridiculous war is one thing, forcing other people to fight it, even if they do not want to, is worse.
If that draft ever is enacted it would be the duty of any american communist/socialist to stand by his(or her) opinion and flee service if s/he does not wish to be a part of that war.

Laws made by the current US government should be ignored.

Laws and governments run on respect. When they do not get or deserve respect, the government and the laws are not valid.

The current US government and the possibly pending Draft should in the eyes of all communists and socialists be seen as invalid.

If you disagree with me, don't degrade yourself with just insulting it. Give me a clear and valid responce.

Kez
9th June 2004, 11:41
Couldnt you go and shoot high in the air?
While at the same time,when soldiers motivation was low, agitate why it was a bullshit war? I mean isnt it true that in Vietnam more generals were killed by US soldiers by Viet Cong? imagine if there had been a commie faction inside the army, would have HUGE, GIGANTIC implications.

We all need army training anyway, the only trouble is exposing yourself while u shoot high, the enemy might not know ur not aiming at them...

dopediana
9th June 2004, 12:33
i knew they were wanting to reinstate the draft but no idea that they were already trying to pass bills. slick little fuckers. how many months do you think it will take to get it passed? i can always abandon my american citizenship and opt for EU or brazilian citizenship and then be saved but what about other folks..?

if bush and rummy and congress want a draft then they should be the first to enlist, not young kids who've got potentially productive years ahead of them.

fernando
9th June 2004, 12:39
why doesnt this surprise me at all...the US is turning more militairistic all the time while they should be spending money and recourses on taking care of their economy...but no mr Bush and his but-digging friend Rumsfeld want to send kids to war...let me guess...no children of Bush or Rummy, or any high placed Yank have to join this army...

Let Bush send his daughters to Iraq and fight for freedom and bla bla bla there...then have Iraqis rape and murder those *****es...then see if Bush still wants all 18 year olds to join the army..

BTW...are Bush' kids even old enough to be drafted? or are they too old?

praxis1966
9th June 2004, 13:03
Well, this is the first time in my life that I have been glad that I was born with a heart defect, not to mention happy that my brother once spent time in the puzzle factory. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll have to worry about my sisters as well.

dopediana
9th June 2004, 13:06
yes, bush's daughters are old enough. let's see if those two exemplary citizens can rough it and learn to deal with a broken nail or two. i wonder how old cheney's daughter is. oh, wait, she's a lesbian..... does that mean she's exempt?

Lacrimi de Chiciură
9th June 2004, 13:09
I would NEVER go fight in that stupid war.

fernando
9th June 2004, 13:50
Well...then Bush and uncle Rum would put you in jail where you get ass raped if you want to pick up the soap...so your choice...get raped by US marines...big angry criminals or your Iraqi prisonwardens :lol:

Colombia
9th June 2004, 17:21
How absurb.Do you actually think that the US will lose enough soldiers to actually use the draft in the Iraqi war?

fernando
9th June 2004, 17:35
Probably...you place too much fate in the Americans...they are loosing more troops now than they did during the invasion and bombardment of Iraq.

But this draft plan will go through anyway I think...no matter the losses

Hate Is Art
9th June 2004, 17:48
Probably, just for back-up incase something goes wrong!

Misodoctakleidist
9th June 2004, 20:21
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 01:06 PM
yes, bush's daughters are old enough. let's see if those two exemplary citizens can rough it and learn to deal with a broken nail or two.
Considering the record of the US army they'd probably have to deal with much worse than that.

fuerzasocialista
9th June 2004, 21:18
I can't believe Canada isn't going to be an option, that's just unbelievable. These kids better start saving up money for that plane ticket to Europe...

Misodoctakleidist
9th June 2004, 21:29
They should apply for asylum in cuba.

fuerzasocialista
9th June 2004, 21:36
They should apply for asylum in cuba.


I could see myself doing that. Actually, when you think about it, there might be a good portion of people that just might actually go and apply for asylum.

fernando
9th June 2004, 21:40
Hey you could trade then...have the traitors in Cuba go to Miami (like many others) and have you guys go to Cuba...KICK ASS! Im not American...but erm...could I come to Cuba too? :lol:

fuerzasocialista
9th June 2004, 21:44
Thats actually a very interesting idea fernando. Its really not that diufficult to get to Cuba from the U$. Just got to go through the third country. From my understanding, the Cayman Islands are the best bet. Being that I'm Dominican, I could fly to DR and catch a flight to Cuba from there. From my understanding, being that DR is trying to cozy up to the U$, they would turn my ass over if I fled there.

Guest1
9th June 2004, 21:45
Please keep in mind that if you actually got into canada, it is highly unlikely that they would send you back. This would cause a huge outcry here once it was announced and will galvanize Canada once again against bush and the neo-cons. There will be alot of open arms to accept draft dodgers here, just see that you make it.

Heesh
10th June 2004, 02:47
The irony of the whole thing is that Rangel (a Democrat) introduced the bill to take a swipe at a Republican Administration eager to go to war without having to worry about their families being affected by it. And what happens? Foolish leftists who don't understand the context of the bill's introduction attack it and spread warnings of impending doom upon the country in the form of a draft. This is not from Bush, nor the Republicans. This is being sponsered by democrats. There is no chance this would ever pass, this is more of a protest move by them against the war in Iraq in order to draw more attention.

praxis1966
10th June 2004, 03:52
I understand that it wasn't introduced by Republicans. The fact of the matter is that I highly doubt Bush would veto it, so in that sense he's just as culpable. The even more highly ironic thing is that these bills have alot of support amongst the members of the Congressional black caucus. Somehow they seem to think that this would make for a more equitable supply of troops by forcing rich kids to serve and not just the poor and minorities.

The only problem with that theory is that it's pretty easy to buy your way out of the draft, as we all know from the experience of the Vietnam War. Not a single member of the Bush administration who holds a cabinet level position or higher (including Cheney), aside from Powell, has ever served in combat though all of them were of suitable age and health during either Vietnam or Korea.

Incidentally, the real impetus for the draft has little, if anything, to do with actual troop losses. Most of you I'm sure would certainly agree that the Joint Chiefs, Rumsfeld, and Bush realize that more troops are needed simply to maintain the tenuous grasp on the situation in Iraq. The National Guard and Reserves are generally comprised of older soldiers, usually in their thirties who vote regularly. I'm sure all the parties concerned would love to see this bill make it out of Congress, being that 18-25 year olds (the bulk of whom would be drafted) don't vote on a regular basis. So why should the old white guys in Washington care whether or not they fuck up our lives?

Heesh
10th June 2004, 17:16
Bush's admin has rejected the idea... Not defending him here just showing the truth... We don't have to worry about the draft for a while until we have a major conflict.

Kurai Tsuki
10th June 2004, 17:25
Information has to be spread on this topic no matter who introduced it and who would support it. I think that as Kerry wants 40000 more active duty troops (while Bush only calls for 20000) he would be likely to push for such legislation.

Americans are will learn how a smart imperialist in power behaves if he is elected.